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You give an example 5 radicals... meanwhile whole cities are being burned to the ground by the left and not one person is really condemning them on the left. The now infamous proud boys moment at the presidential debate Chris Wallace prefaced his question to Trump by telling him that he has asked Biden to condemn antifa and other groups (BLM) burning cities but will he condemn white supremacy (even though Chris Wallace asked him this very same question in a 2016 presidential debate. But when Trump pressed Biden to condemn the left wing nuts Chris Wallace moved to the next topic.

This is like the left pointing out that smoking might kill a person on the right while the left is standing inside a burning building.

Dude, no one this board has made excuses for the actions that radicals on the Left have done. I was responding to comment that insinuated only people on the Left commit acts of violence. These are Trump supporters and Republicans who have killed multiple people.

Anyways, moving on.
 

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Tribalism indeed.

You'd think the attempts of a party to undermine an election 4 years ago with the collusion delusion, and repeatedly through 4 years, would be a unifier too. It wasn't. When it was discovered that HRC paid for the dossier that started the investigation, nobody on the left cared. When they pivoted to "Page" was the spark in the investigation, and it was found that it too was bogus, nobody on the left cared. When it was clear there was abuse in FISA courts, nobody cared. When it came to light Obama, Biden, and the FBI were all made aware by the CIA that HRC planned in advanced to link Trump to Russia, nobody cared.

Yes, I'd say tribalism is an issue. By any means necessary, yes.

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Dude, no one this board has made excuses for the actions that radicals on the Left have done. I was responding to comment that insinuated only people on the Left commit acts of violence. These are Trump supporters and Republicans who have killed multiple people.

Anyways, moving on.

Its still very laughable. You point at 5 people and compare it to thousands of looters and rioters and say republicans do it too. Lol. its just funny. Its kind of like that CNN reporter reporting in front of a fire calling what was happening peaceful.
 

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What is the matter with Trump supporters? He lost the election. He lost in court. Do they really believe all his lies and conspiracy theories?

The only democratic process we have is the vote of the American people. The election was a referendum on Trump. The Reps gained in the House and fended off a Democratic win in the Senate unless both Georgia seats flip.

Now all this whining, lies and absurdities that can't stand the light of day. Get out of the way, suck it up and do what we've done for centuries - a peaceful transition of power in a fair election. You lost, Donald. The American people do not want you in power.
 

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What is the matter with Trump supporters? He lost the election. He lost in court. Do they really believe all his lies and conspiracy theories?

The only democratic process we have is the vote of the American people. The election was a referendum on Trump. The Reps gained in the House and fended off a Democratic win in the Senate unless both Georgia seats flip.

Now all this whining, lies and absurdities that can't stand the light of day. Get out of the way, suck it up and do what we've done for centuries - a peaceful transition of power in a fair election. You lost, Donald. The American people do not want you in power.

Feel better after getting that out?

LOL...

The only comment I'd make... Referendum on Trump? He got the second most votes ever. A referendum to me would be a landslide, which it was not even close. But yes, most of us that don't like the other guys either, are ready to move on. There's not near the "outrage" factor from the right, or INDs voting right.
 

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Feel better after getting that out?

LOL...

The only comment I'd make... Referendum on Trump? He got the second most votes ever. A referendum to me would be a landslide, which it was not even close. But yes, most of us that don't like the other guys either, are ready to move on. There's not near the "outrage" factor from the right, or INDs voting right.

Lol right?

That part of the post was very much akin to Nancy trying to claim that "Joe has a mandate!" (Whatever that even is) Trump lost. Dude is his own worst enemy sometimes.

That post was basically the IE lib equivalent to Kimberly Guilfoyle's RNC speech.

Edit: I wonder if Legacy had a similar attitude towards Democrat folks who didn't take the L in 2016 and insisted right up until Election Day 2020 that Trump was illegitimate and Russians hacked out election.
 
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What is the matter with Trump supporters? He lost the election. He lost in court. Do they really believe all his lies and conspiracy theories?

The only democratic process we have is the vote of the American people. The election was a referendum on Trump. The Reps gained in the House and fended off a Democratic win in the Senate unless both Georgia seats flip.

Now all this whining, lies and absurdities that can't stand the light of day. Get out of the way, suck it up and do what we've done for centuries - a peaceful transition of power in a fair election. You lost, Donald. The American people do not want you in power.

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Lol right?

That part of the post was very much akin to Nancy trying to claim that "Joe has a mandate!" (Whatever that even is) Trump lost. Dude is his own worst enemy sometimes.

That post was basically the IE lib equivalent to Kimberly Guilfoyle's RNC speech.

Edit: I wonder if Legacy had a similar attitude towards Democrat folks who didn't take the L in 2016 and insisted right up until Election Day 2020 that Trump was illegitimate and Russians hacked out election.

Yep. Not sure what that was all about. We had 4 years of HRC and the left masses screaming illegitimate, cheating, collusion, etc. We'll have a few months of Trump screaming illegitimate, but the right masses mostly have moved on. They'll pop off now and then about the left, but it won't be a constant outrage fest, the world won't end, and all people aren't going to die... Short answer is that the country is still divided more than ever. A close win by Biden isn't bringing the nation together, and certainly isn't a referendum.

But to answer you're question. No, pretty confident Legacy was pretty much a hypocrite about 2016 and after, vs now. I'm sure the belief is still there relative toTrump being illegitimate, collusion, etc.. And I'm quite sure there was no belief that Trump's win was a referendum on the Left.
 

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Its still very laughable. You point at 5 people and compare it to thousands of looters and rioters and say republicans do it too. Lol. its just funny. Its kind of like that CNN reporter reporting in front of a fire calling what was happening peaceful.

Feel better after getting that out?

LOL...

The only comment I'd make... Referendum on Trump? He got the second most votes ever. A referendum to me would be a landslide, which it was not even close. But yes, most of us that don't like the other guys either, are ready to move on. There's not near the "outrage" factor from the right, or INDs voting right.

In 2016 we were told that 306 electoral votes WAS a landslide. Just sayin’.
 

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In 2016 we were told that 306 electoral votes WAS a landslide. Just sayin’.

I don't really recall much of that. I just recall the outrage, and ensuing calls to abolish the electoral college, make more states, and that it was aided by Russia.... This year, it took a Hollywood, MSM, and a Big Tech effort, with an assist from Covid/mass mail ballots.
 

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The Week's Matthew Walther just published an article titled "How camp explains Trump":

Less than two months before Joe Biden's inauguration as our 46th president, it is time to begin seriously taking stock of our current one. A great deal has already been written about Donald Trump's legacy by his detractors, nearly all of it hysterical and unfocused. The immediate assessments by his supporters have been barely more interesting.

One thing that surprises me is how little has been said by either side about the actual nature of Trump's appeal. I do not mean the matter — his views on China and free trade and immigration — which has been discussed endlessly, but the manner, which I think is almost certainly more important.

Trump is essentially a camp figure. I mean "camp" in more or less the sense in which the word was used by Susan Sontag in her famous essay: a sensibility that is as difficult to define as it is easy to identify (or should be: for reasons I shall discuss in Trump's case there is a widespread reluctance to acknowledge what we all see and recognize).

The most obvious sense in which Trump is camp is his voice and appearance. The accent, which has become more strident than it was two decades ago, is a parody of a New York accent, a stereotypical cab driver in an old episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. (Compare his pronunciation of "China" in this clip with any recent footage). Meanwhile, everything about Trump as a physical specimen, from the skin (which is, in fact, orange) and the improbable hair and the pouting, curiously androgynous lips to the almost formless body, obese without seeming to possess actual flesh save for in the massive flanks (especially in golf or tennis shorts), is camp. He is a one-of-a-kind grotesque, an actor in an early John Waters feature.

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"The essence of camp," Sontag tells us, is "love of the unnatural: of artifice and exaggeration." Trumpian aesthetics is a catch-all of the great artificial modes in Western art: rococo, Art Deco, vaporwave. It is above all anti-pastoral. (Like the denizens of Versailles, Trump can only encounter the natural world third or fourth-hand, in a tweet about the imminent signing of the 2018 farm bill embedded with a clip of him singing the Green Acres theme song at the Emmys.) Visually it depends upon absurd juxtapositions, and being in taste so bad that a knowing few are implicitly invited to recognize it as good.

The best, indeed perhaps the canonical, example of this is the dinner Trump gave at the White House for the 2018-19 Clemson Tigers football team: candles burning in golden sconces on either side of the white mantel, above which Lincoln's portrait hangs; tables covered in quasi-Renaissance drapery; gleaming candelabras flanking massive heaps of sandwiches from recognizable fast-food brands, and in the center, his own slightly pudgy face fixed in a smile that would be embarrassing in any other context, his hands spread out in a gesture that could almost be described as liturgical.

Trumpian camp is a playlist that features "La donna è mobile," "You Can't Always Get What You Want," "Tiny Dancer," and various stadium anthems. It is a man touring the Mexican border in a Brooks Brothers blazer, golf shoes, and a trucker hat emblazoned with the slogan "Make America Great Again" in Times New Roman. It is Donald Trump's USA Freedom Kids from Pensacola, Florida, performing "The Official Donald Trump Jam," with its over-the-top "patriotism" and its unmistakable (but also totally deniable) hints of violence: "Come on, boys, take 'em down." It is the president of the United States dancing robotically to "Y.M.C.A." in the middle of a federally declared public health emergency, amid the cheers of thousands. It is everything hinted at in the phrase "We will activate Bill Barr and activate him strongly": the attorney general as a sort of Robocop figure in a cheesy cyberpunk dystopia, one in which the audience is meant to identify him with the dictator. (There are shades of Kenneth McMillan in David Lynch's Dune in Trump, and of Ian McNeice in the same role in the Sci-Fi channel miniseries adaptation of the novel). It is putting "science" in scare quotes and even spelling them out alongside the punctuation marks when referring to Barack Obama as the "quote 'president.'"

Camp, according to Sontag, "sees everything in quotation marks." It also depends upon "flamboyant mannerisms susceptible of a double interpretation; gestures full of duplicity, with a witty meaning for cognoscenti and another, more impersonal, for outsiders." This is what the fact-checking crowd never understood: Trump's off-the-cuff superlatives, both positive and negative, were part of a performance. The hysterical reaction of journalists, especially those who assume that such statements are capable of being judged in some coldly objective, quantitative manner, to his assertion that he has done more for African Americans than any president with the possible exception of Lincoln is the point, and so is the breathless defense from figures like Candace Owens.

A good illustration of the participatory nature of Trumpian camp is the infamous taco bowl tweet:

Happy #CincoDeMayo! The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics! https://t.co/ufoTeQd8yA pic.twitter.com/k01Mc6CuDI

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 5, 2016

The text and the caption depend for their power upon — indeed they would be totally unintelligible without — Trump's built-in assumption that millions of people would find themselves almost inexpressibly outraged by his naive identification of Cinco de Mayo with all Hispanics, whom he claims to love in some absurd blanket sense — how when he is such an obvious gutter racist?! — and his uncouth assumption that "taco bowls" are a real food to which superlatives might be applied at all and that the pseudo-salads are a part of Mexican cuisine. (This is probably not an exhaustive list of the number of micro-aggressions or dog whistles implied in this masterpiece of rhetoric.) The atmosphere of knowingly perverse cultural insensitivity — probably the closest thing we have nowadays to the teashop Orientalism of The Mikado — is heightened by the contrast between the high-school cafeteria quality food and the white napkin and silverware, to say nothing of the golf trophies and the view of the Manhattan skyline from the window behind him and his ludicrous grin. This, played with a thousand variations over the half decade or so in which he has been at the center of American public life, is the essential Trumpian conceit: playing a poor person's idea of what being rich is (having real linen!), a woke person's idea of racism (liking déclassé foods), a worker's idea of what a boss is (someone who fires people), and doing so without ever acknowledging the performance to any of the not-always overlapping segments of his audience, who in turn refuse to acknowledge it to one another.

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Performance is the key. Long before he began his political career Trump was not really a businessman but an over-the-top parody of one, the sort of person who appears with a suitcase full of cash in The Fresh Prince. (His television cameos from the 1990s and early 2000s are in fact crucial to understanding why Trumpian camp is effective.) This is why Trump as president is always at his best in events like the annual White House Turkey Pardon, which are themselves a kind of meta-performance of the powers and function of the presidency belonging to a vanished and now impossibly corny-sounding era of good feelings between the quality liberal press and the inhabitant of the Oval Office. (It is also why he unfailingly falls flat in what in any other administration we would consider the larger moments, such as his Rose Garden address in March.)

One thing Sontag does not mention in her essay is that politically speaking camp belongs decidedly, if not with any especial degree of conviction, to the right. Mussolini with his pouting lips and burlesques of classical architecture was a camp figure in a way that no left-wing dictator could be. Margaret Thatcher was camp, and so was Silvio Berlusconi. Camp is incompatible with progressive politics because its assumption of a hierarchy of understanding between those who do and do not "get it" is inherently anti-egalitarian, and with modish liberalism because it rejects moralism. (The polar opposite of right-wing camp is Aaron Sorkin.)

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Is Trump our first camp president then? There were camp aspects to Reagan, but the eulogist of the Challenger victims was playing it straight more often than not. Barbara Bush was very much a camp figure, but not her husband. However tawdry it appears now, the outpouring of patriotic sentiment in the days immediately following the attacks of September 11, 2001, was genuine, which is why looking back, camp artifacts like this one from the Bush administration are surprisingly rare. But Trump was still the culmination of a long process on the American right, the rejection of tedious dogma in favor of a general aestheticized disdain.

For obvious reasons Trump's camp appeal is unlikely to be discussed openly either by his enemies or his ardent supporters, both of whom have, doubtless to his chagrin, committed themselves to the bit. To readers of The New York Times, Trump really is a fascist dictator of the 1930s, albeit one reconstructed from the same half-understood pop culture artifacts by which they and he alike conceive of anything but the most recent past; his followers take him seriously in his winking role as uxorious husband, beloved patriarch, defender of the Constitution and our ancient liberties, champion of the victims of post-industrial capitalism, and so on. As far as I am aware only a small subset of coolly detached reactionaries have even attempted to appreciate him on his own terms.
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It is still too early to say what historians (who only the day before yesterday were dismissing the now-beloved George W. Bush as a crypto-fascist) will ultimately make of the Trump presidency. I am inclined to think that his four years in office were far less transformative than partisans on either side are likely to insist for the foreseeable future. But I hope that situating him in what I think is his proper aesthetic context might go some small way toward helping readers to see this president clearly, if not fondly.
 

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In 2016 we were told that 306 electoral votes WAS a landslide. Just sayin’.

The statement was used. Thats very true. I think you can pretty easily distinguish the two however.

Donald Trump in 2016 was given what...like a 10% chance of winning? The fact that he kept it close, much less won made it a big deal but yeah not a landslide in the traditional sense. Landslide only in the "omg Donald f'ing Trump won."

In 2020, it was basically accepted from the get-go that Dems would build on their House majority, fairly easily take the Senate, and easily get the White House in all likelihood.

The results were quite a bit different from the expectations. Trump beating Hillary by 60K votes or whatever it was is technically but not perceptively equivalent to Biden beating Trump by 100K votes or whatever it ended up being.

Donald beating Hillary is sorta an Appalachian State over Michigan type thing perceptively. Close win, but the fact that it was a win over Michigan. Hugely significant moment even though Michigan wasn't very good that year.

Biden beating Trump is more akin to Notre Dame beating Louisville 12-7 or whatever the score was again. A win is a win, but IE was burning. Had you told Louisville/ND fans before the game that ND would score 12 points, the reactions would be wild. Had you told Dems/GOP that Donald would get 70 million votes,, I think there would have been similar reactions from the two parties. That's a game we'd expect Notre Dame to win by 30 points. "Happy to get out of here with a win but if this is what ND football is, then we are not winning a natty if we can barely beat Louisville, I should have been able to turn the channel at halftime."

You could sorta see the same reaction from the media and Democrat political class after this election.
The general reaction seemed to be "happy to get out of here with a win, but this was supposed to be an easy win, our plans are basically f'ed if THIS is the best we could do against an unpopular incumbent during a pandemic."

TlDr version: the elections are apples to apples but not really apples to apples so I go for college football references to state my opinion on it which is also deeply flawed lmaoooo
 

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The statement was used. Thats very true. I think you can pretty easily distinguish the two however.

Donald Trump in 2016 was given what...like a 10% chance of winning? The fact that he kept it close, much less won made it a big deal but yeah not a landslide in the traditional sense. Landslide only in the "omg Donald f'ing Trump won."

In 2020, it was basically accepted from the get-go that Dems would build on their House majority, fairly easily take the Senate, and easily get the White House in all likelihood.

The results were quite a bit different from the expectations. Trump beating Hillary by 60K votes or whatever it was is technically but not perceptively equivalent to Biden beating Trump by 100K votes or whatever it ended up being.

Donald beating Hillary is sorta an Appalachian State over Michigan type thing perceptively. Close win, but the fact that it was a win over Michigan. Hugely significant moment even though Michigan wasn't very good that year.

Biden beating Trump is more akin to Notre Dame beating Louisville 12-7 or whatever the score was again. A win is a win, but IE was burning. Had you told Louisville/ND fans before the game that ND would score 12 points, the reactions would be wild. Had you told Dems/GOP that Donald would get 70 million votes,, I think there would have been similar reactions from the two parties. That's a game we'd expect Notre Dame to win by 30 points. "Happy to get out of here with a win but if this is what ND football is, then we are not winning a natty if we can barely beat Louisville, I should have been able to turn the channel at halftime."

You could sorta see the same reaction from the media and Democrat political class after this election.
The general reaction seemed to be "happy to get out of here with a win, but this was supposed to be an easy win, our plans are basically f'ed if THIS is the best we could do against an unpopular incumbent during a pandemic."

TlDr version: the elections are apples to apples but not really apples to apples so I go for college football references to state my opinion on it which is also deeply flawed lmaoooo

Don’t get me wrong ... I don’t think 306 is a landslide, no matter what kind of spin you apply to it. The numbers don’t lie. 306 in 2016 is the same number four years ago. So when Trump pretended he had a mandate to reverse trade and immigration policy, Western alliances, health care policy, environmental policy and plans to combat global climate crisis , etc., etc., certainly isn’t stretching the limits of executive power by reversing the policies that have crippled America and their standing in the world.
 

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I don't really recall much of that. I just recall the outrage, and ensuing calls to abolish the electoral college, make more states, and that it was aided by Russia.... This year, it took a Hollywood, MSM, and a Big Tech effort, with an assist from Covid/mass mail ballots.

That’s a pretty convenient loss of recollection that doesn’t at all fit your conspiracy narrative. Just throw out all the factors you don’t like and you can stay warm and cozy in your bubble where the truth never penetrates.
 

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Is BobbyOk? Or is he BobbyNotOk?

Miss the daily updates linking to the bowels of the internet.
 

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Gabriel Sterling, Georgia's voting systems manager, is just exasperated. "It has all gone too far." A technician in Gwinnett County was told he should be hung for treason. The Secretary of State's wife is getting "sexualized threats."

"It has to stop."

The MAGA Parlar crowd is calling for boycotts of the Georgia Senate runoffs.

Yes, please.

Incredible behavior from American adults. Just unreal in every sense. Stunning.
 

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Read somewhere that NY AG Leticia James has something like 67 indictments on Drumpf ready to unseal on Jan. 21.

Starting to grasp why he's acting even more deranged than normal. He thinks Brian Kemp conspired with Biden to deliver Georgia to Biden. Kemp is as Drumpf of a governor as they come. The idea he could conspire with Biden is mentarded.
 

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The MAGA Parlar crowd is calling for boycotts of the Georgia Senate runoffs.

Yes, please.

Incredible behavior from American adults. Just unreal in every sense. Stunning.

Yeah you get some loons out there. I understand boycotting brands, "Nike is has a bad record of using Chinese slave labor. I won't buy Nike and will buy an alternative product." That makes sense.

But boycotting an election because you are mad that your guy lost a close race last time is absurd. That'd be like Notre Dame getting rid of football because they disagreed with the final poll in 1993. ---> only people you are harming is yourself then.

I'm assuming like most boycotts, it'll subside before it has any impact but yeah, not the brightest bulbs there. Thankfully, GOP saved oppo dumps on Warnock until after the Dems were stuck with a dude who doesn't think soldiers/sailors/airmen are Christians in a state with 13 military bases.
 

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The MAGA Parlar crowd is calling for boycotts of the Georgia Senate runoffs.

Yes, please.

Incredible behavior from American adults. Just unreal in every sense. Stunning.

And I'll guarantee you that every Conservative and Republican here would agree with you that it's childish and stupid. The problem is that it's not a bit more childish and stupid than the past four years of millions of adults on the Left screaming about Russian collusion, Nazis, "Not my president," the bawling, screaming, crying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" wailers of Election Night 2016, and the endless celebrity hyperbole and anger. Remember Miley Cyrus' bawling tweets from the days immediately following the 2016 election? How about the hysterical, loony, sometimes threatening rants from Madonna, Ashley Judd, and countless other celebs? How about the rioting, looting, and violence from the Left?

You think Trump fighting over the election in court is stupid? I agree. Guess what though? Plenty of Republicans have told him so and tried to get him to accept the loss gracefully and let it go. How many Democrats did the same over the past 4 years when Pelosi, Shumer, Schiff, and the rest pursued an endless stream of investigations into something they KNEW was a total lie?

Yep, Trump isn't handling this well and a few nuts in Georgia are acting stupid and childish over all this. Let me know when it becomes millions of people and half our government doing it for four years. Don't be a hypocrite about it and complain about a few idiots and a few weeks of stupidity when you didn't have a damn thing to say about millions doing worse for 4 years.
 
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And I'll guarantee you that every Conservative and Republican here would agree with you that it's childish and stupid. The problem is that it's not a bit more childish and stupid than the past four years of millions of adults on the Left screaming about Russian collusion, Nazis, "Not my president," the bawling, screaming, crying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" wailers of Election Night 2016, and the endless celebrity hyperbole and anger. Remember Miley Cyrus' bawling tweets from the days immediately following the 2016 election? How about the hysterical, loony, sometimes threatening rants from Madonna, Ashley Judd, and countless other celebs? How about the rioting, looting, and violence from the Left?

You think Trump fighting over the election in court is stupid? I agree. Guess what though? Plenty of Republicans have told him so and tried to get him to accept the loss gracefully and let it go. How many Democrats did the same over the past 4 years when Pelosi, Shumer, Schiff, and the rest pursued an endless stream of investigations into something they KNEW was a total lie?

Yep, Trump isn't handling this well and a few nuts in Georgia are acting stupid and childish over all this. Let me know when it becomes millions of people and half our government doing it for four years. Don't be a hypocrite about it and complain about a few idiots and a few weeks of stupidity when you didn't have a damn thing to say about millions doing worse for 4 years.

Lol
 

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And I'll guarantee you that every Conservative and Republican here would agree with you that it's childish and stupid. The problem is that it's not a bit more childish and stupid than the past four years of millions of adults on the Left screaming about Russian collusion, Nazis, "Not my president," the bawling, screaming, crying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" wailers of Election Night 2016, and the endless celebrity hyperbole and anger. Remember Miley Cyrus' bawling tweets from the days immediately following the 2016 election? How about the hysterical, loony, sometimes threatening rants from Madonna, Ashley Judd, and countless other celebs? How about the rioting, looting, and violence from the Left?

You think Trump fighting over the election in court is stupid? I agree. Guess what though? Plenty of Republicans have told him so and tried to get him to accept the loss gracefully and let it go. How many Democrats did the same over the past 4 years when Pelosi, Shumer, Schiff, and the rest pursued an endless stream of investigations into something they KNEW was a total lie?

Yep, Trump isn't handling this well and a few nuts in Georgia are acting stupid and childish over all this. Let me know when it becomes millions of people and half our government doing it for four years. Don't be a hypocrite about it and complain about a few idiots and a few weeks of stupidity when you didn't have a damn thing to say about millions doing worse for 4 years.

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I agree. I was ready to move on as soon as the votes were tallied. In an election that was "the most important of our lives" I'm not going to assume 100% of the votes were on the up and up, but I'm also not going to push conspiracy theories and hold up a transfer of power. I will not be rioting in the streets, nor protesting the next four years saying Biden is "Not my President."
 
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That’s a pretty convenient loss of recollection that doesn’t at all fit your conspiracy narrative. Just throw out all the factors you don’t like and you can stay warm and cozy in your bubble where the truth never penetrates.

If it was said, wouldn't surprise me. Sorry, but I don't recall a lot of it. It wasn't like the constant illegitimate talk, so probably got drowned out.

I guess it might have felt like that though to some, since he was was like a XX point underdog. Heck, he was down double digits in polls in a lot of states this year too, and the polls again sucked. Voter suppression!!! LOL.
 

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If it was said, wouldn't surprise me. Sorry, but I don't recall a lot of it. It wasn't like the constant illegitimate talk, so probably got drowned out.

I guess it might have felt like that though to some, since he was was like a XX point underdog. Heck, he was down double digits in polls in a lot of states this year too, and the polls again sucked. Voter suppression!!! LOL.

This election to me feels the same way as the last one ... Same electoral votes and all, which is why I advocate for universal healthcare and abolition of the 2nd Amendment, no matter what the other side thinks. I’m sure those of you who have advocated for virtually unchecked power of the executive won’t mind when the liberals melt down your weapons and make a 20-scale statue of Flavor Flav kneeling in front of a burning American flag in the National Mall. Elections have consequences. That was another of my favorites from 2016.
 

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This election to me feels the same way as the last one ... Same electoral votes and all, which is why I advocate for universal healthcare and abolition of the 2nd Amendment, no matter what the other side thinks. I’m sure those of you who have advocated for virtually unchecked power of the executive won’t mind when the liberals melt down your weapons and make a 20-scale statue of Flavor Flav kneeling in front of a burning American flag in the National Mall. Elections have consequences. That was another of my favorites from 2016.

So you think unchecked exec power is just a GOP thing... lol.. OK man.
 

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This election to me feels the same way as the last one ... Same electoral votes and all, which is why I advocate for universal healthcare and abolition of the 2nd Amendment, no matter what the other side thinks. I’m sure those of you who have advocated for virtually unchecked power of the executive won’t mind when the liberals melt down your weapons and make a 20-scale statue of Flavor Flav kneeling in front of a burning American flag in the National Mall. Elections have consequences. That was another of my favorites from 2016.

Was it your favorite back in 2008 too?

https://dailycaller.com/2017/02/08/flashback-elections-have-consequences/
 
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