True Detective

[arrowryan]

Not sure if this is helpful but saw this posted elsewhere and thought it might help some with that confusing exchange last night with all the names.





Casper (the dead guy from the beginning), Burris (the guy who just shot Woodrugh dead at the end of the episode), and Holloway (the black guy who just met with Woodrugh and is the police chief) all took part in a diamon heist back in '92. They're all in higher positions of power, but still engaging in corruption.

Fast forward to today and they want the diamonds that Caspere still had now that he's dead. Caspere was killed because he was potentially involved with blackmailing all the important people at those sex parties.

Frank has been getting set up since the beginning and every move made by Bezzeredies, Velcoro, and Woodrugh has been watched.

The scene in last night's episode when Velcoro went to meet up with the lady but Ray found her dead in her car got me thinking. And then you said that every move Bezzeridies, Velcoro, and Woodrugh made was being watched. That kinda gives me some clarity of why Ray found her dead. So I'm really interested in finding out who is watching them; is there someone that is presumed a good guy but just relaying info to Burris and Holloway?

This whole season has been confusing to me and it didn't start coming all together until last night. Season 1 was a whole lot easier to follow from start to finish

 

[ND NYC]

VV is in possession of the stolen diamonds and yet he didn't relay that info to his wife when she asked him how liquid they were.

she's definitely no good...and I think VV knows it/has known it.

im confused on:

who was the girl who RM "rescued" from the party? and why is she important?

who are the young brother and sister who watched their parents die doing now?

could have sworn that woordrugh saw that RM was a dirty cop when looking up those other guys no?

I think VV and Ray (or maybe just Ray) end up with all the loot in the end...

 

[Corry]

who are the young brother and sister who watched their parents die doing now?

The girl is Casper's secretary. That's why they help up the pictures and compared them. No clue who the boy is. I have a feeling he's the big bad. Though with the way this season is working out I don't think there is a "big bad" but a ton of bad people doing bad shit.

 

[Luckylucci]

VV is in possession of the stolen diamonds and yet he didn't relay that info to his wife when she asked him how liquid they were.

she's definitely no good...and I think VV knows it/has known it.

im confused on:

who was the girl who RM "rescued" from the party? and why is she important?

She was the missing person that was brought to RM's attention in the beginning of the season by her sister. I'm not sure if she has any other importance other than the search for her, led RM and company to these wealthy businessman.

who are the young brother and sister who watched their parents die doing now?

The sister is/was Caspere's secretary and the brother I'm not sure.

could have sworn that woordrugh saw that RM was a dirty cop when looking up those other guys no?

What he was looking at was that they had already put out an APB on RM for killing the security guard at the sex party.

I think VV and Ray (or maybe just Ray) end up with all the loot in the end...

Some of the theories out there about VV's wife are very interesting. I still haven't decided whether thats how I think that plays out.

 

[Irish#1]

VV is in possession of the stolen diamonds and yet he didn't relay that info to his wife when she asked him how liquid they were.

she's definitely no good...and I think VV knows it/has known it.

im confused on:

who was the girl who RM "rescued" from the party? and why is she important?

who are the young brother and sister who watched their parents die doing now?

could have sworn that woordrugh saw that RM was a dirty cop when looking up those other guys no?

I think VV and Ray (or maybe just Ray) end up with all the loot in the end...

Are those the same diamonds? All the talk and pics have been centered around blue diamonds. I thought what VV was trying to sell were some that he already had in his possession? They didn't look blue to me.

Don't think Woodrugh thought RM was a dirty cop. Her pic just showed up as being wanted when he was looking up all the info.

 

[Luckylucci]

Are those the same diamonds? All the talk and pics have been centered around blue diamonds. I thought what VV was trying to sell were some that he already had in his possession? They didn't look blue to me.

Don't think Woodrugh thought RM was a dirty cop. Her pic just showed up as being wanted when he was looking up all the info.

No those are not the same diamonds.

 

[Irish#1]

No those are not the same diamonds.

Thanks, didn't think they were but ND NYC mentioned Vince having them.

 

[fitz_bu47]

Vince doesn't have the diamonds. The old man he's talking with does. He wants to turn the money he's about to steal into diamonds and bolt. Easier to be mobile and then sell.

That's why the old guy said something about "you need to get rid of that money fast and we don't do that type of thing", or something like that. Then VV asked the right question of "what percentage he needed to do that", 40 %. Everything for sale.

 

[Irish#1]

Vince doesn't have the diamonds. The old man he's talking with does. He wants to turn the money he's about to steal into diamonds and bolt. Easier to be mobile and then sell.

That's why the old guy said something about "you need to get rid of that money fast and we don't do that type of thing", or something like that. Then VV asked the right question of "what percentage he needed to do that", 40 %. Everything for sale.

I thought VV was trying to sell some other lose diamonds he had. That's why the Jewish guy was examining the diamond. If VV was buying wouldn't he be the one examining?

Re-watched the first three episodes last night. I'm going to re-watch the rest before the finale, but it makes more sense going back. I also found myself picking up subtle hints like VV watching his girlfriend as she sit alone in the casino.

 

[Henges24]

What about the bartender at the bar VV and CF met at occasionally. I know someone on this thread brought her up as being suspicious.

Every time they went to that bar the camera would pan over to her at some point.

 

[woolybug25]

What about the bartender at the bar VV and CF met at occasionally. I know someone on this thread brought her up as being suspicious.

Every time they went to that bar the camera would pan over to her at some point.

Are you talking about the woman with the scar on her face?

 

[IrishinSyria]

My confusion was confirmed during the scene last night between the three detectives where they basically rattled off the names of 6 people involved in the case and I honestly didn't know for sure who any of them were.

True Detective Season 2: A guide to the plot of this confusing season.


Enjoy. The article's better than the actual show.

 

[gkIrish]

True Detective Season 2: A guide to the plot of this confusing season.


Enjoy. The article's better than the actual show.

Thanks that's helpful.

Is there any way Casper was the guy who abducted/raped Bezzerides? His balls were blown off which may infer he committed some sort of sexual crime? Perhaps her father killed him?

 

[Henges24]

Are you talking about the woman with the scar on her face?

Correct.

Thanks that's helpful.

Is there any way Casper was the guy who abducted/raped Bezzerides? His balls were blown off which may infer he committed some sort of sexual crime? Perhaps her father killed him?

That's a good point. Bravo.

 

[woolybug25]

True Detective Season 2: A guide to the plot of this confusing season.


Enjoy. The article's better than the actual show.

I didn't put this together...

Blake is an associate of Frank’s who has been working behind Frank’s back. In addition to confirming that Osip and Caspere had been double dealing Frank, he is also the person who told Frank—wrongly—who Velcoro’s wife’s rapist was.

Anything else we need to know about Blake?

Blake has, or had, red hair.

Why does it matter that Blake had red hair?

So does Velcoro’s son Chad, who Velcoro fears is actually the biological son of the man who raped Gena. But, you never know, he could be someone else’s biological son altogether. (Though, probably, he will just turn out to be Velcoro’s son.)

 

[Irish#1]

Interesting little article on Vernon, CA. which is the town Vinci represents in the show. Crooked little place until the law cracked down.

The Town In True Detective Is Based On A Very Real Place With A Very Corrupt Past - Forbes

I originally thought the bartender would end up playing some role, but now I'm not sure. If she has a role, I'm guessing she's been snitching on Frank to the Vinci Mayor, Osip or Frank's wife?

 

[Luckylucci]

Interesting little article on Vernon, CA. which is the town Vinci represents in the show. Crooked little place until the law cracked down.

The Town In True Detective Is Based On A Very Real Place With A Very Corrupt Past - Forbes

I originally thought the bartender would end up playing some role, but now I'm not sure. If she has a role, I'm guessing she's been snitching on Frank to the Vinci Mayor, Osip or Frank's wife?

In the the first few episodes I thought she did as well but I was never able to come up with anything that I thought made sense. Also, she really seems to like Velcoro. In which case, I moved on from that thought thinking that her empathy towards him isn't a character trait of somebody thats "bad".

 

[Corry]

In the the first few episodes I thought she did as well but I was never able to come up with anything that I thought made sense. Also, she really seems to like Velcoro. In which case, I moved on from that thought thinking that her empathy towards him isn't a character trait of somebody thats "bad".

That's why I think the meth dealer that Velcoro killed gave her the scars.

Either way with a hour and half show I'm sure all the lose ends will get tied up. I feel sorry for the people who bailed on this season. It took a while to get going, but it really has turned out to be good.

 

[Luckylucci]

That's why I think the meth dealer that Velcoro killed gave her the scars.

Either way with a hour and half show I'm sure all the lose ends will get tied up. I feel sorry for the people who bailed on this season. It took a while to get going, but it really has turned out to be good.

Very interesting, I hadn't thought of that.

I really hope so because there is a lot of unresolved questions and with no second season this should be entertaining.

 

[woolybug25]

Very interesting, I hadn't thought of that.

I really hope so because there is a lot of unresolved questions and with no second season this should be entertaining.

Anybody know if they plan on a third season?

I hope so. While this season wasn't as great as the first, it is still turning out to be some of the best tv on right now. It was mentioned that if this season was half as good as the first, then it would be a resounding success. I think we have already gotten there and the finale could really make this a great season, imo.

 

[Luckylucci]

Anybody know if they plan on a third season?

I hope so. While this season wasn't as great as the first, it is still turning out to be some of the best tv on right now. It was mentioned that if this season was half as good as the first, then it would be a resounding success. I think we have already gotten there and the finale could really make this a great season, imo.

I haven't read anything on that one way or another.

 

[gkIrish]

I haven't read anything on that one way or another.

Can't remember where but I think I read HBO gave it a green light but it depends on what Nick Pizzowhatever wants.

 

[woolybug25]

Can't remember where but I think I read HBO gave it a green light but it depends on what Nick Pizzowhatever wants.

HBO Prez Michael Lombardo:

If [Nic Pizzolatto] wanted to do another season, I told him our door is open. I’d love to do another season with him…I think he’s an enormously talented writer, and I have already called him and said, ‘Nic, if you want to do a Season 3, let’s start talking.’

Will True Detective Return For Season 3? Here's What HBO Says

 

[fitz_bu47]

I thought VV was trying to sell some other lose diamonds he had. That's why the Jewish guy was examining the diamond. If VV was buying wouldn't he be the one examining?

Re-watched the first three episodes last night. I'm going to re-watch the rest before the finale, but it makes more sense going back. I also found myself picking up subtle hints like VV watching his girlfriend as she sit alone in the casino.

I took it more as the guy showcasing the diamond too him. Like a car dealer, here are the features of what you will buy. B/c Vince also said that the rest of them didn't need to be that quality, and to make them diverse, or something like that. Then old guy mentioned his jewish muscle post deal, and showed the two meatheads. I took it all as, Vince is gonna show up w/ some cash he needs to part w/, and a lot of it. Buy the diamonds b/c it's easier to transport them in his escape. Basically launder the money for diamonds and hit the road.

I've bee wrong before though

 

[SoDakDomer]

I took it more as the guy showcasing the diamond too him. Like a car dealer, here are the features of what you will buy. B/c Vince also said that the rest of them didn't need to be that quality, and to make them diverse, or something like that. Then old guy mentioned his jewish muscle post deal, and showed the two meatheads. I took it all as, Vince is gonna show up w/ some cash he needs to part w/, and a lot of it. Buy the diamonds b/c it's easier to transport them in his escape. Basically launder the money for diamonds and hit the road.

I've bee wrong before though

He also mentions the money is clean and untraceable

 

[Irish#1]

I'm through the first six episodes for a second time. I highly recommend watching a second time. I picked up a lot of little clues that I missed the first time, like characters in the background in a scene where you didn't notice them before.

The two best lines in the entire show have come from Farrell. The first when Bezzerides dad talks about Velcora having many lives and giving off a bad vibe. Velcora replies, "I don't think I could handle another one? The second when he gets up from the kitchen table, Frank tells him that he may be the only friend he has and Velcaro replies, "How sad is that" or something to that effect.

 

[gkIrish]

Read something on Reddit that got me pretty excited, even though it's just speculation. I think a season that connects seasons 1,2 and any others would have the potential to be the greatest thing in the history of television.

I think if this season ends with an inference that there may be a bigger scheme (as S1 did) I will be convinced the characters will eventually connect somehow.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'd just be happy if they brought back MM and Woody. Prefer the keep Rachel as well lol

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm through the first six episodes for a second time. I highly recommend watching a second time. I picked up a lot of little clues that I missed the first time, like characters in the background in a scene where you didn't notice them before.

The two best lines in the entire show have come from Farrell. The first when Bezzerides dad talks about Velcora having many lives and giving off a bad vibe. Velcora replies, "I don't think I could handle another one? The second when he gets up from the kitchen table, Frank tells him that he may be the only friend he has and Velcaro replies, "How sad is that" or something to that effect.

That entire scene and exchange was awesome. They go from talking about shooting each other to making quips about how F'd up there friendship is. Was really good.

 

[Rhode Irish]

This season has taken a beating from critics, and I can recognize some flaws and it certainly isn't a perfect show, but the show is still entertaining and I personally like trying to untangle all these plot points and don't see that part as a negative. Too much of film/tv/music criticism is an echo chamber where once a narrative takes hold everyone else piles on. Nobody wants to be the one with a slightly different opinion.