Triple Crown

ACamp1900 · Oct 3, 2012

Gonna happen tonight.

History.

Discuss.

no.1IrishFan · Oct 3, 2012

I,for one, hope it happens. Cabrera is very deserving.

zbikowski88 · Oct 3, 2012

I hope it happens also, to me he hasn't gotten much publicity about this.

RuntheBall · Oct 3, 2012

Mike Trout.

no.1IrishFan · Oct 3, 2012

RuntheBall said:
Mike Trout.

Incorrect, for him to win over Cabrera would be a monumental fail. He's very good, though.

clashmore_mike · Oct 3, 2012

RuntheBall said:
Mike Trout.

Nope. Needs to go 4-4 with Cabrera going 0-4. Can't see Leyland giving Cabrera 4 at bats if he's 0-3 unless Hamilton hits 2 home runs this afternoon.

Nothingman · Oct 3, 2012

RuntheBall said:
Mike Trout.

Just about to say that. Cabrera could win the Triple Crown but not the MVP. I think either would be very deserving.

Cabrera definitely has the "sexy" numbers and the first Triple Crown in 45 years is hard to ignore, but Trout bats leadoff, plays excellent defense, and missed roughly the first month of the season in Triple A. Voting will be interesting.

Sherm Sticky · Oct 3, 2012

If Cabrera doesn't win the MVP i will be outraged!

clashmore_mike · Oct 3, 2012

Trout also finished third in his division while Cabrera won his. I know the angels have won more games, but without Trout, the angels are probably still in third. Without Cabrera, the Tigers are probably in third or at least no where near the playoffs.

rtrn2glory · Oct 3, 2012

hope he gets it too...think that's pretty cool.

dude's the best hitter right now in the game. haven't seen a guy hit line drives as far as him in a long time. almost impossible to pitch around

yankeeND · Oct 3, 2012

I've been waiting for this to happen since I was a little kid! Just one more game
Cabrera! You got this!

Mr. Larson · Oct 3, 2012

Never thought I would see a triple crown in my lifetime. I can't believe this isn't getting "Chasing History" a la 1998 McGwire and Sosa treatment.

Trout had a great year, especially at his age, but I can't see a guy winning the triple crown in 2012 and not also winning the MVP award.

RuntheBall · Oct 3, 2012

I know Trout can't really catch him in BA due to his recent slump, but I think he could win MVP. Baseball is more than power numbers.

Take a look at Trout's number projected to 162 games (given has n't played all 162 so it may be a bit fo exaggeration- he has played 138 (and will play 139))
37 HR (as a leadoff batter)
160 Runs
103 RBI's
61 SB

As far as saber metrics go, Trout is ridiculously better. Trouts WAR (wins above replacement, which includes fielding), is 10.7. Second best in the league is Cano at 7.6 (Verlander is at 7.5) and Cabrera T-7 with 6.9.
Breaking down the WAR:
Batting:
Trout 8.6 (1st)
Cabrera 7.5 (T-2 with McCutchen)
Fielding:
Trout 2.0 (Top 20)
Cabrera -0.6

Trout also has some spectatular plays in the outfield (aka robbing homers), I think it similar to big plays in the Heisman race.

Not that Cabrera doesn't deserve the MVP- a case could be made for him as well, but my vote would be for Trout.

Still awesome Cabrera has a (great) shot at the triple crown. PS- does anyone know why AVG, HR and RBI's are the triple crown? I think it may because those were three of the earliest stats recorded, but Im not sure.

Edit: Kind of intersting that Trout also has more walks than Cabrera (by a small bit) as Cabrera is the guy with more power- usually they are walked more. Counter intuitive (especially with Trout batting leadoff). This actually make Trout's OBP slightly higher (.397 vs. .394) basically a mute point as both are almost 400!

NoJusticeNoPeace · Oct 3, 2012

clashmore_mike said:
Trout also finished third in his division while Cabrera won his. I know the angels have won more games, but without Trout, the angels are probably still in third. Without Cabrera, the Tigers are probably in third or at least no where near the playoffs.

3rd with a much worse record. Angels had the 2nd worst record in baseball before he was called up and the best record since. I think both deserve the MVP and I would not be upset with either winning it.

rtrn2glory · Oct 3, 2012

i will take no award seriously ever again if Cabrera doesn't win the MVP...and i don't even like the tigers.

would be complete robbery

Sherm Sticky · Oct 3, 2012

rtrn2glory said:
i will take no award seriously ever again if Cabrera doesn't win the MVP...and i don't even like the tigers.

would be complete robbery

I agree with this.

This has really become a hot topic between the Trout guys and Cabrera guys.

TDHeysus · Oct 3, 2012

give it all to Cabrera...triple crown winners in baseball is more rare than a triple crown winner in horse-racing. (I think, lol) Regardless....

Mike Trout had a great year, but its not a triple crown year. there will be more fish in the sea for Mike Trout.

rtrn2glory · Oct 3, 2012

think of it this way...Ted Williams batted over .400 the same year Dimaggion hit in 56 straight.

imo that was a much more heated debate (especially considering the teams they played for)

this one isn't even close in comparison...cabrera hands down and would be unanimous if trout didn't play in a heavy media market

Kaneyoufeelit · Oct 3, 2012

RuntheBall said:
As far as saber metrics go, Trout is ridiculously better. Trouts WAR (wins above replacement, which includes fielding), is 10.7. Second best in the league is Cano at 7.6 (Verlander is at 7.5) and Cabrera T-7 with 6.9.

This number is so silly. My vote would also be with Trout. Remember at the beginning of the season when the discussion was going on about who the better rookie is between Trout and Harper? Yeah, I think that was answered

RuntheBall · Oct 3, 2012

TDHeysus said:
give it all to Cabrera...triple crown winners in baseball is more rare than a triple crown winner in horse-racing. (I think, lol) Regardless....

Mike Trout had a great year, but its not a triple crown year. there will be more fish in the sea for Mike Trout.

People said the same about Tim Salmon...

TDHeysus · Oct 3, 2012

RuntheBall said:
People said the same about Tim Salmon...

I think they said that they would be more fish upstream for Tim Salmon

clashmore_mike · Oct 3, 2012

Trout is lucky he didn't have to face Catfish Hunter.

Ironman8 · Oct 3, 2012

rtrn2glory said:
think of it this way...Ted Williams batted over .400 the same year Dimaggion hit in 56 straight.

imo that was a much more heated debate (especially considering the teams they played for)

this one isn't even close in comparison...cabrera hands down and would be unanimous if trout didn't play in a heavy media market

Anaheim is a heavy media market? Heavier than Detroit?

Trout is so highly regarded in the debate because of his inhuman WAR, the fact that his team has had the best record in baseball since he has come up, and that he is elite both at the plate and in the field. Trout saved his team numerous runs in the field, while Miggy cost Detroit a fair amount.

If I had a choice of either one for just one at bat to decide a playoff game, I am choosing Miggy every single time and twice on Sunday. But if you ask me which I choose for a 162 game season, this season, it is really really hard for me not to say Trout. A leadoff hitter who hits for a crazy high average, draws walks, is elite at stealing bases, hits 30 homeruns (while missing a month), while being the best defensively at his postion? How can you really say no?

The triple crown is a massive accomplishment, and deserves special recognition. In any other season, there would be no debate. I just simply think the superior totality of Trout's game trump's Miggy's #1 bat.

Kaneyoufeelit · Oct 3, 2012

rtrn2glory said:
i will take no award seriously ever again if Cabrera doesn't win the MVP...and i don't even like the tigers.

would be complete robbery

You're kidding right? Robbery? You can think that Cabrera deserves and that he has had a better season, but to say it's robbery if Trout wins implies that he is undeserving of it. Trout has had a ridiculous (probably better) season.

gkIrish · Oct 3, 2012

Ted Williams did not win the MVP in two different seasons that he won the Triple Crown. Trout also didn't play consistently the first month of the season so he would have had even more ridiculous stats.

I think either player is deserving. All I'm saying is winning the Triple Crown does not mean he should automatically win the MVP

Ironman8 · Oct 3, 2012

gkIrish said:
Ted Williams did not win the MVP in two different seasons that he won the Triple Crown. Trout also didn't play consistently the first month of the season so he would have had even more ridiculous stats.

I think either player is deserving. All I'm saying is winning the Triple Crown does not mean he should automatically win the MVP

It's not that Trout didn't play consistently...He didn't play at all. He wasn't called up until April 30th. It makes his season much more impressive when you add the fact that he missed a month and did it all as a rookie.

johnsben · Oct 3, 2012

Ironman8 said:
Trout saved his team numerous runs in the field, while Miggy cost Detroit a fair amount.

I think Cabrera moving from 1st base to 3rd base should help him win the MVP. Yeah he's not as good as most 3rd baseman but he outperformed pre-season expectations there too. The guy is an amazing team player.

As a Tigers fan I sure hope he takes home both. Nothing against Trout, but Cabrera put the team on his back and carried it to the post season.

gkIrish · Oct 3, 2012

FWIW Trout was the #1 Fantasy Baseball player this year. Cabrera was 3rd

Ironman8 · Oct 3, 2012

johnsben said:
I think Cabrera moving from 1st base to 3rd base should help him win the MVP. Yeah he's not as good as most 3rd baseman but he outperformed pre-season expectations there too. The guy is an amazing team player.

As a Tigers fan I sure hope he takes home both. Nothing against Trout, but Cabrera put the team on his back and carried it to the post season.

Cabrera was great the last month or two of the year, but he certainly had a ton of help from Fielder and Verlander. He obviously was a great team player in a agreeing to the switch to get Fielder on board, but it does not mitigate the fact that he is subpar defensively. Trout, on the other hand, is basically Spiderman in center field.

Sherm Sticky · Oct 3, 2012

Angels had the best record in the American league after Trout got back, not baseball Ironman.

It's a shame that Miguel has never won the MVP and if he doesn't win it this year it's a sham. I have no doubt in my mind if Miguel played for say Phili, NY, Boston or an LA team he would be the clear winner.

Ironman: Are you saying Trout didn't have help from his teammates? that team is freaking loaded and guys had career years on that team. BTW Miguel did carry the team on his shoulders this past month.

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