The Sandusky Trial

[Chamellion]

I think there's a zero chance he goes to Gen Pop, even though he should.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I too am interested what you mean? I'm not a liberal, but that really doesn't matter. Do you really think there are liberals who feel he should not be held accountable for his actions?

 

[peoriairish]

I think he's calling those of us out who believe he should be executed. I am a social conservative and I don't think we should waste tax dollars on keeping him alive. That's what I think he's getting at.

 

[FLDomer]

Why pay for him to live it up in a protected unit? He is going to die in there, just expedite the process.

Segration Unit isn't exactly "living it up". He will probably be is a solitary cell with limited privileges and nearly constant surveillance. Things would/will be pretty nasty for him if someone gets a chance to get at him.....
And Bogs right, the penitentiary is not a good place to be, visits but sometimes it is an interesting place to work!

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I think he's calling those of us out who believe he should be executed. I am a social conservative and I don't think we should waste tax dollars on keeping him alive. That's what I think he's getting at.

Executing someone isn't exactly cheap... more times than not it is more expensive to be quite honest. Wrote a research paper on the topic this year, and was very surprised by the statistics.

 

[JughedJones]

I too am interested what you mean? I'm not a liberal, but that really doesn't matter. Do you really think there are liberals who feel he should not be held accountable for his actions?

That is, apparently, the shtick that's being trotted out in some conservative circles.

Disgraceful.

 

[IrishinTN]

I dont know why politics needs to be brought into every conversation. The right thing to do here is the right thing to do. Period.

And he will never be put in general population because he is a celebrity. Probably in solitary and in his cell 23 hrs a day. But, accidents do happen on that one hr alone. I am in prison ministry and go to prison twice a month. It has been quite eye-opening for me over the past few years and the inmates share quite a bit, especially when you get to know them.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I dont know why politics needs to be brought into every conversation. The right thing to do here is the right thing to do. Period.

And he will never be put in general population because he is a celebrity. Probably in solitary and in his cell 23 hrs a day. But, accidents do happen on that one hr alone. I am in prison ministry and go to prison twice a month. It has been quite eye-opening for me over the past few years and the inmates share quite a bit, especially when you get to know them.

Sounds like you have some insight. What do you mean? I know it's late but your post is not quite coming together with me.

You all can trust NDinFL, he was my own personal warden.

Times were rough, but he promised he would buy me a beer and make it up to me.

 

[IrishinTN]

Sounds like you have some insight. What do you mean? I know it's late but your post is not quite coming together with me.

It has been known to happen that the wrong inmates are put in the same place for that one hour "accidentally". I will not be surprised if this sort of mix-up occurs in this case.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Like as in any inmates are the wrong inmates.

 

[IrishinTN]

In this case, yes. He should be alone when out of his cell. However, he could be in the library and another high side (high security inmate) is also put there because they "didnt realize" Sandusky was already there.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That's what you meant by celeb, then. Back in the day, everyone we transported had chains rolling off them at all times. Wrist, ankle and waist. And everybody was solitar. And there were no civil rights. Their lives depended on the good graces of the CCP CO.

 

[IrishinTN]

They may be transported the same, but once inside he would be separated. I even saw it confirmed last night on whatever news channel we had on. Due to his "status" as a celebrity he will be in the hospital or solitary confinement even after sentencing.

 

[Cali_domer]

this site is definitely full of social conservatives, that is for sure.

I am just glad he didnt get off on a bogus technicality that social liberals try so hard to justify

What the hell?

 

[NDinFL]

Sounds like you have some insight. What do you mean? I know it's late but your post is not quite coming together with me.

Lol, just caught this.

You know can count on me Bogsss

 

[vinnymac2402]

sandusky will more than likely be label a PREA (Prison Rape Elimination Act) offender and kept on solitary confine for a short time. Simpley due to the 45 counts of molestation and him being a celebrity. he would make a prime target to be raped and extorted by the offender population. Also i bet the warden of what ever facility he goes to will have strick guidelines for the custody staff to follow. Like he cant be walk during offender line movement, special times will be set up for him to go medical, and any reading material he would have to fill out a request slip and the material will be delivered. most solitary unit have phones in the outside rec area for the offenders to use the phone.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Lol, just caught this.

You know can count on me Bogsss

As my own personal warden, of course I would come to you! But, Irish Tenn posted and I wanted to understand his point. My yesterday consisted of chewing up about twenty small trees and shrubes, movin' some more dirt, and running around after my three youngest, 9,8,6. I was beyond tired and my head was thick. This guy laid his point out well. As I said, my only experience with prisoners was transporting with corrective custody. Never saw em out of chains. There were brigs where I am sure they remained in chains, round the clock . . .

 

[irish1958]

I am just glad he didnt get off on a bogus technicality that social liberals try so hard to justify

Right on!!! I am also tired of those sick SOB's who try to hide behind the Bill of Rights!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Right on!!! I am also tired of those sick SOB's who try to hide behind the Bill of Rights!

May I ask you a serious question? Other than Dottie Sandusky and a whole lot of PSU officials who have a whole lot at risk, like Federal prison time because of their lies, do you think anyone wants to see this guy free?

I mean, I always wanted to ask someone who speaks with such vitriol and in such vague generalities this germane question right away. So what is it? Who do you believe wants to see this animal free?

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Who do you believe wants to see this animal free?

PSU linebacking corps...

 

[irish1958]

May I ask you a serious question? Other than Dottie Sandusky and a whole lot of PSU officials who have a whole lot at risk, like Federal prison time because of their lies, do you think anyone wants to see this guy free?

I mean, I always wanted to ask someone who speaks with such vitriol and in such vague generalities this germane question right away. So what is it? Who do you believe wants to see this animal free?

No, of course not; no one does. But I do believe in the US Constitution and especially in the Bill of Rights. I am sorry you think that the Constitution is a vague generality.

 

[NDhoosier]

lol, my bad, I didnt think it was that difficult of a statement, though irish1958 seems to have gotten the message. I am all for the Bill of Rights, but there is a difference when liberals want a guilty man to go free just because of a bogus technicality compared to a prosecution who cant prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If you dont know what by "bogus technicality" is then you are either too young or dont know much about the court system.

People all flipping out, I should have just not responded for awhile to see how many "WTF?" comments I could count. Besides, politics is not brought up all that much outside the lounge, but I was just giving my two cents, which goes with this trial/thread quite fittingly.

If you are asking what I mean by "social liberal" and stuff... it is to clarify the general population I am talking about. I consider myself economically liberal, but socially conservative. Tough to grasp these days, I know...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

No, of course not; no one does. But I do believe in the US Constitution and especially in the Bill of Rights. I am sorry you think that the Constitution is a vague generality.

Who gave you the right to presume others thoughts and motivations? I fought for this country, as did my daddy, and my great uncles. All told going back to the turn of the 20th century, my family has fought on four continents in two major wars and many other military engagements. My family has also had many members that have served in police and fire departments in a half-a-dozen, different municipalities.

My kids all can say the Pledge of Allegiance, quote from the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence, and can tell you that the bill of Rights is the first Ten Amendments of the US Constitution. They can also recite from the Gettysburg Address. Between my kids under ten, they can pretty much identify what is an amendment to the Constitution, and why.

I personally have a concealed Carry Permit, and have named my Colt Commander, "My Second Amendment", and my S&W .357Plus, "My whole damn bill of Rights." And my kids know why.

So don't tell me what the fµck I do or don't believe. But I will tell you, I think there are a whole lot of candy-@ssed punks, who want to feel superior, so they take free thinking people who won't bow over to some stupid rhetoric, and make judgments about them to show their behaviors in the worst possible light, just to make themselves feel less than inferior. And I will bet you they don't have the balls or brains to defend their own positions.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

lol, my bad, I didnt think it was that difficult of a statement, though irish1958 seems to have gotten the message. I am all for the Bill of Rights, but there is a difference when liberals want a guilty man to go free just because of a bogus technicality compared to a prosecution who cant prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If you dont know what by "bogus technicality" is then you are either too young or dont know much about the court system.

People all flipping out, I should have just not responded for awhile to see how many "WTF?" comments I could count. Besides, politics is not brought up all that much outside the lounge, but I was just giving my two cents, which goes with this trial/thread quite fittingly.

If you are asking what I mean by "social liberal" and stuff... it is to clarify the general population I am talking about. I consider myself economically liberal, but socially conservative. Tough to grasp these days, I know...

All the "conservatives" love to quote from the founding fathers, particularly John Adams. How is this?

Better one hundred guilty men are set free than one inocent man falsely imprisioned.

Or how about:

We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them.

Or even:

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770

 

[IrishinTN]

May I ask you a serious question? Other than Dottie Sandusky and a whole lot of PSU officials who have a whole lot at risk, like Federal prison time because of their lies, do you think anyone wants to see this guy free?

I mean, I always wanted to ask someone who speaks with such vitriol and in such vague generalities this germane question right away. So what is it? Who do you believe wants to see this animal free?

No one in their right mind wants him free. Many would even like to see him dead. Now that he has been found guilty I will be interested to see reaction to his sentencing.

One question I have (and they probably mentioned it in the news and I missed it), why does it take 3 months for his sentencing trial?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Probably a combo of a docketing issue, and court mandated evaluations, etc. I am talking out of my @ss here but on another case I saw that a certain state court went through a whole rigorous process, to avoid issues for appeal. Would be my guess.


Looks like the Sandusky team is already forming an appeal based upon some video evidence from an NBC interview.

 

[JughedJones]

lol, my bad, I didnt think it was that difficult of a statement, though irish1958 seems to have gotten the message. I am all for the Bill of Rights, but there is a difference when liberals want a guilty man to go free just because of a bogus technicality compared to a prosecution who cant prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If you dont know what by "bogus technicality" is then you are either too young or dont know much about the court system.

People all flipping out, I should have just not responded for awhile to see how many "WTF?" comments I could count. Besides, politics is not brought up all that much outside the lounge, but I was just giving my two cents, which goes with this trial/thread quite fittingly.

If you are asking what I mean by "social liberal" and stuff... it is to clarify the general population I am talking about. I consider myself economically liberal, but socially conservative. Tough to grasp these days, I know...

I'm sorry, and I know this will probably get modded but.... shut the **** up.

There are zero... count them ZERO, 'socially liberal' people out there that want him freed on some technicality. It's this kind of bullshite rhetoric that gets people really pissed off and keeps us from having any kind of meaningful debate on anything.

Keep on bringing this kind of crap up, I guarantee you don't say this to anyone you know in real life, you just point vague generalities at people on message boards.

And we economic (and social) liberals, don't want you.

 

[IrishLax]

This is some wild stuff. It appears now, according to emails, that the Penn State brass was going to report the allegations to authorities.... but after a talk with good 'ol Joe Pa did a 180 and decided to handle things "in house." Sure seems to suggest that Joe Pa pushed for the allegations not to be reported; unless the brass had a change of heart for some other reason directly following the conversation.

Report: Penn State Emails Suggest Joe Paterno Protected Jerry Sandusky

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Lax
Joe Paterno looks like a hypocrite now. I think his legacy is now destroyed with Sandusky. If he were alive he would be criminally prosecuted. Delusional Penn State fans will still think hes god. He was too powerful and corrupt.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Complete lack of institutional control. Death penalty 'em.