SEC to vote to end (limit) oversigning.

[Rhode Irish]

Per ESPN: SEC coaches debate signing change

It is shocking to me how the coaches quoted in the article can be so forthright about their affinity for the practice. Even if you don't have the character to not partake in the oversigning, you should at least have the good sense to be ashamed of it. These guys could not appear any more proud of it.

Then again, considering the coaches that were quoted (Petrino, Nutt, et al.), I guess it is not all that shocking.

 

[Cali_domer]

Finebuam already said they rejected it 12-0

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Shameless.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Yeah I just read that not 5 minutes after I started the thread. So . . . the coaches get to decide the issue? Somehow that doesn't seem right. It is equivalent to getting a bunch of CEO's together and asking them to vote on their own salary reduction. Approving the measure would be antithetical to their world view. If its up to the coaches it will never happen.

 

[irishfan]

Finebuam already said they rejected it 12-0

Figured Vandy would at least be in favor of it.

 

[Woneone]

There is no way it was 12 - 0. If it was, Georgia and Florida have some explaining to do, as they have come out publically against oversigning.

I didn't read the article (it pisses me off too much thinking about those scumbags and this crap), but from what I remember the actual chage was to limit a class size to 28.

Now I'm not a math major, but 28+28+28+28 > 85.

And you know that's EXACTLY what those schools will do. Having nearly an entire other signing class over a 4-year period is such a blatent advantage it's sickening the NCAA doesn't step in and put in a blanket rule for D1.

Oh, and the other change was to actually have someone at the SEC office check when a student gets a "Medical Hardship" handed to them. Of course, that's going to flop too. Saban's used it, if memory serves, nearly 4 times more than the national average (I believe in 3 years he's given out 10, while Tressel at OSU gave out 3 over 10 years). You know that ain't gonna fly. How are you supposed to fit the extra 27 players over 4 years in if you can't arbitrarily cut college students?

 

[BGIF]

Figured Vandy would at least be in favor of it.

Vandy likes their SEC revenue sharing check more.

 

[BGIF]

There is no way it was 12 - 0. If it was, Georgia and Florida have some explaining to do, as they have come out publically against oversigning.

I didn't read the article (it pisses me off too much thinking about those scumbags and this crap), but from what I remember the actual chage was to limit a class size to 28.

Now I'm not a math major, but 28+28+28+28 > 85.

And you know that's EXACTLY what those schools will do. Having nearly an entire other signing class over a 4-year period is such a blatent advantage it's sickening the NCAA doesn't step in and put in a blanket rule for D1.

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If you read the article some of your questions/comments would have been answered.

The COACHES voted Wednesday. The vote that counts is the President's vote on Friday. Similar to the NCAA where coachs vote in committee but the Presidents cast the NCAA Member vote.

The 28+28+28+28 doesn't amount to more than 85 on the team but of attrition or because they don't renew scholarships (year by year basis per NCAA) for some upperclassmen.

It does give them leeway over over schools when a current player transfers after the Spring Game or is academically ineligible after the Spring Semester. At ND such a loss usually means a walk-on gets lucky for a year and gets a ride. At Bama they just add one of the kids from their "waiting" er, grayshirt, list.

 

[Woneone]

If you read the article some of your questions/comments would have been answered.

The COACHES voted Wednesday. The vote that counts is the President's vote on Friday. Similar to the NCAA where coachs vote in committee but the Presidents cast the NCAA Member vote.

The 28+28+28+28 doesn't amount to more than 85 on the team but of attrition or because they don't renew scholarships (year by year basis per NCAA) for some upperclassmen.

It does give them leeway over over schools when a current player transfers after the Spring Game or is academically ineligible after the Spring Semester. At ND such a loss usually means a walk-on gets lucky for a year and gets a ride. At Bama they just add one of the kids from their "waiting" er, grayshirt, list.

If the COACHES voted Wednesday, then my point still stands. Mustchamp and Richt have both, publically, came out and made comments about how they disagreed with oversigning. It's just another sign of the hypocrisy of the SEC if true.

Schools should, during a signing period, be able to sign no more than a total of 90 scholarship players. That's it. Just having the ability to sign 100 total over a 4 year period will pretty much lead to what is happening now, the "JUCO" farm system, Medical Hardships being exploited, un-renewed scholarships, ect. There is an inherent risk when recruiting. If you take that 5-star with the questionable grades because you think he can help your pass rush, then you're accepting that risk that he might not qualify, or some type of attrition will occur. You should not be able to dial up the Minor Leagues and get someone else.

If it wasn't so late, I'd go into a rant about the B.S. of schools being able to, pretty much without penalty (actually, they are rewarded for it if they practice in oversigning) file the paper work to not renew a scholarship. In a system where a student-athelete has to jump through hoops to transfer (get a release, be able to transfer to a school of their choosing and not denied by the head coach, sit out a year, ect), a coach shouldn't be rewarded for removing him from the team.

 

[jason_h537]

The NCAA should put down strict rules on this. I can understand exceptions if, for example, you have room for 30 players. Still this is disgusting. Another thing that should be done is make scholarships guaranteed during a players entire time at the school, not just a year renewable.

The amount of money these guys make for the school, this should be the least they can do.

 

[BGIF]

The NCAA should put down strict rules on this. I can understand exceptions if, for example, you have room for 30 players. Still this is disgusting. Another thing that should be done is make scholarships guaranteed during a players entire time at the school, not just a year renewable.

The amount of money these guys make for the school, this should be the least they can do.

Keep in mind the NCAA is made up of member schools. The boys at Headquarters don't make the rules, the member school's presidents vote on rules changes that come from a coaches committee. Like Congress you have to get it out of committee first.

As for 4 years I believe the rationale there is the same as for academic scholarship you have to meet criteria to keep it. Give some people a 4 year ride and they'll coast downhill. The "criteria" to meet in sports is the gray area.

 

[BGIF]

If the COACHES voted Wednesday, then my point still stands. Mustchamp and Richt have both, publically, came out and made comments about how they disagreed with oversigning. It's just another sign of the hypocrisy of the SEC if true.

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Richt is quoted in the article:

"Let's say you have space for 15 and you sign 20," Richt said. "If those five guys know that if there's no room in the inn that they're going to grayshirt ... and the family knows and the high school coach knows, then I don't see anything wrong with it.

"If a kid thinks he's coming in with his class and you spring a surprise on him, I don't think that's right. Historically, though, there is enough attrition to make room for any oversigning."

I still think if the rule is 25 (28 in the SEC) that's it. Same for the 85 Team Rule. No Exceptions. I'm not sure if there is anyone outside of ND that doesn't take JUCOs. SU is likely. The military academys don't take JUCOs they refer their non-qualifers to "Prep" school to get their grades up.

As you mention, if you roll the dice a kid will get his grades up by summer school or an SAT test after graduation then you take the consequences. Some kids might get shut out and have to go to Div 1AA or JUCO then transfer. The kids still have options and by holding firm you instill incentive for the kid to do well in HS. That would be a significant gain in itself.

No need to rant on upperclassmen losing scholarships to make room for recruits. That's been covered over the years when it happens. Spurrier was raked over the coals here for doing so in the past. Wednesday Spurrier spoke in favor of oversigning saying he's never had a problem with too little room. No Steve you just kick somebody else out.