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I could go for that, too. Problem is ND schedules SC or Stanford for final game to coincide with West Coast recruiting.
I could go for that, too. Problem is ND schedules SC or Stanford for final game to coincide with West Coast recruiting.
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Play Navy in San Diego. Problem solved.
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They need to flip the script and make both of the them come to ND @ Thanksgiving for a decade. Of course those fruit loops would opt out immediately. Come play in some NFL weather. ND can go out at Halloween.
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Yea...I was a big fan of the ACC agreement. I think Jack did a swell job there.
My only real complaint is the refereeing. Man, it was BAAAAD last year. I don't bitch about refs much, or hang losses on refs screwing up...but I felt like ACC opponents got away with a lot of shit, and even things like targeting. I wish ND would go hire a Mountain West officiating crew for their home games...I simply don't like/trust the ACC crew.
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2037 is going to be our year, can't wait!!!
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seen this tweeted a few times this past weekend, guessing it is BS
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I saw this too. From One Foot Down:
http://www.onefootdown.com/2017/5/1...tre-dame-fighting-irish-football-independence
Bagpipe Monday: Tim Brando Won’t Let Go Of Notre Dame Football Independence
The whole argument for easier playoff participation is discredited in the article, but there's some merit there. While ND has all the qualifications to make the playoff if their record holds, I would imagine a full ACC schedule would be easier to navigate than what we're currently facing.
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The playoff stuff is BS. a 12-0 or 11-1 ND would be in the playoff whether or not ND played independent or in the ACC or on Mars. Joining a conference, unless its the MAC, does nothing for ND Football besides hand cuff scheduling.
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ND in a conference is 100% inevitable.
Here's a story about Brando's folly:
http://www.onefootdown.com/2017/5/1...tre-dame-fighting-irish-football-independence
Here's another by a UConn rag that is chomping at the bit because they want to believe they could sneak in on ND's coat-tails.
http://www.theuconnblog.com/2017/5/...-conference-realignment-undefeated-against-nd
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You assume a lot with the 11-1 argument. In 2015 were we not 10-1 going into the Stanford game, and Oklahoma jumped us in the Playoff ranking? Sure, MAYBE we regain it if we had beaten Stanford, but it's more likely we don't since Oklahoma was also playing a highly ranked Oklahoma State that week. Going forward, I believe the Big 12 will be hosting a conference championship game, which makes it even tougher for us to get in with that scenario.
I said it in 2015 and I'll say it again, the only guarantee is 12-0. If we're 11-1, you have to hope for at least 2 of the 5 conference champions to be at 10-2 or worse before their game. Even then, there would be a lot of hand ringing and pressure to put an 11-2 conference champion in before us.
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The BC game is what killed the playoff chances in 2015. Unless the team blew the doors off Stanford, they were not going to limp into the playoffs while Oklahoma was just getting hot.
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I remember halfway through that season saying we had a good shot of getting in if we ran the table after Clemson, cause at that point it looked like the PAC-12 champion wasn't getting in. I said don't count out Oklahoma jumping us at the end of the season, and a lot of people laughed. Oklahoma had the best schedule among those crappy Big 12 schedules of Baylor, Okie St, TCU, and the Sooners. Oklahoma had the benefit/misfortune of facing Baylor, Ok St, and TCU in their final 3 games of the season, and all three of those teams were sitting at 1 loss or undefeated going into the first or second week of November. Even if those teams played a mostly crap schedule through October, running the November gauntlet would impress the Playoff committee.
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Playing Temple and BC tight, not taking over the Southern Cal game all were poor marks at the end of the year. Beating down a decent Stanford team would have been the only shot of getting in. OU did their part and ND gave the committee enough reasons to be skeptical of putting them at #4.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame And Northwestern To Play At Ryan Field In 2018 <a href="https://t.co/GyI67Ts83T">https://t.co/GyI67Ts83T</a></p>— One Foot Down (@OneFootDown) <a href="https://twitter.com/OneFootDown/status/880135840416100352">June 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Agreed... I'm assuming this is all because of the ties with Alvarez - of whom I much respect. what is the benefit with Wiscy to the Irish?
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Well, the Home/Home thing is a revival of the Shamrock Series, which I'm sure ND wants. I don't recall people complaining about it until 2014, but that was mostly because ND was forced into facing Purdue in Indy, which is much less than ideal. Then of course in Fenway vs BC, which turned into a game...and people turned on the series. Who didn't love 2013 vs ASU in Dallas?
I'm sure Alvarez has a huge part in this deal, but it's probably also to get another "name" on the schedule and generate some buzz in the area. Playing in Soldier Field is always a good move publicity wise for ND, and playing in Lambeau is a pretty big draw for a lot of fans.
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this is probably the whole thing in a nutshell......
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I've thought more about our scheduling and here is the model I have come up with. In this scenario we are not bound by our ACC agreement.
Annual rivalry games:
1. USC: Traditional rival.
2. Purdue: In-state, traditional rival. Usually an easy P5 win.
3. Pitt: Traditional regional rival. Good program, usually produces good games. Need to recruit PA.
Rotating rivalry games:
4. Michigan/Michigan State: Keeps a traditional, regional rival on the schedule. Adds to a strong SOS.
5. UCLA/Stanford: Semi-traditional rivals in the important state of CA. Usually will be relatively strong programs.
Similar Schools:
6. Navy/Army/Air Force: I've gone back and forth on playing Navy every year. This model honors the Navy rivalry and allows us to play the other service academies regularly. These should usually be relatively easy wins.
7. Rice/Tulane: I would like us to develop relationships with these schools. Play more games in two of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country. They are both very good schools. Easy wins.
8. Northwestern/Vanderbilt/Duke/Wake Forest/BC: Play one of these schools with similar academic values every year. This would develop semi-regular rivalries with each of these schools. None of them are particularly great football programs, and they are all located in areas that we need to recruit.
Strength of Schedule and National Attention Games:
9. ACC: At least one ACC school in addition to Pitt would be good for recruiting and SOS, and would likely provide for an interesting game with a semi-traditional rival.
10. Any upper-tier Power 5: SOS and regional diversity/national attention.
Rounding Out the Schedule
11. MAC: Would provide a reliable win against a school in the region.
12. Mountain West or lower-tier Power 5: More regional diversity.
So any given year the schedule could resemble:
Purdue
@Texas A&M
Ohio
Northwestern
@Michigan State
San Diego State
@Pitt
Stanford
Bye
Virginia Tech
Tulane
Navy
@USC
Annual rivalry games:
1. USC: Traditional rival.
2. Purdue: In-state, traditional rival. Usually an easy P5 win.
3. Pitt: Traditional regional rival. Good program, usually produces good games. Need to recruit PA.
Rotating rivalry games:
4. Michigan/Michigan State: Keeps a traditional, regional rival on the schedule. Adds to a strong SOS.
5. UCLA/Stanford: Semi-traditional rivals in the important state of CA. Usually will be relatively strong programs.
Similar Schools:
6. Navy/Army/Air Force: I've gone back and forth on playing Navy every year. This model honors the Navy rivalry and allows us to play the other service academies regularly. These should usually be relatively easy wins.
7. Rice/Tulane: I would like us to develop relationships with these schools. Play more games in two of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country. They are both very good schools. Easy wins.
8. Northwestern/Vanderbilt/Duke/Wake Forest/BC: Play one of these schools with similar academic values every year. This would develop semi-regular rivalries with each of these schools. None of them are particularly great football programs, and they are all located in areas that we need to recruit.
Strength of Schedule and National Attention Games:
9. ACC: At least one ACC school in addition to Pitt would be good for recruiting and SOS, and would likely provide for an interesting game with a semi-traditional rival.
10. Any upper-tier Power 5: SOS and regional diversity/national attention.
Rounding Out the Schedule
11. MAC: Would provide a reliable win against a school in the region.
12. Mountain West or lower-tier Power 5: More regional diversity.
So any given year the schedule could resemble:
Purdue
@Texas A&M
Ohio
Northwestern
@Michigan State
San Diego State
@Pitt
Stanford
Bye
Virginia Tech
Tulane
Navy
@USC
Andy in Sactown
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You missed BC under #3, much to Doug's chagrin.
EDIT: I guess you placed them in #8. Potato, po-tato. Also, fuck you Doug.
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The trouble is we are bound by the ACC agreement. Though I think of the conferences to play five games against, it's the best choice. Good mix of powers and middleweights, Northeast and Southeast.
If the current ACC deal stays in place, I'd try to approach it like this:
Five ACC games. If we want to keep doing the Shamrock Series (I'm pretty meh, myself), try and make it one of our ACC home games.
USC
Stanford
Navy
But I like the idea of ending with Navy on the West Coast. Maybe try to swap that for the bi-annual at Stanford Thanksgiving game that no one really cares about (unlike going to USC, which is cool). Go to Stanford in October instead.
Other four games:
A national power early (a la Georgia, Texas)
One or two Big Ten teams. I'd love to add MSU to our permanent rivals, myself. Also fun to have a road game students can get to. (When I was a student we'd go in droves to Purdue, MSU or Michigan. Was a blast. We don't play as many of those games anymore).
One or two breathers, though I'd vote for MAC schools over randos like UMass or New Mexico. There's more crossover of fan bases, which is fun.
So could look like this
LSU
Akron
@MSU
Syracuse
@NC State
USC
@Stanford
Va Tech
BC
@Maryland
Minnesota
Navy in San Diego
A little rugged there in October with USC-Stanford-VA tech, but manageable. Gets you to the northeast, southeast and west coast, along with that big early Saturday night game at Sparty. Three Midwestern opponents, too. Maybe flip Va Tech with Maryland or Minnesota to give us a chance at a quality win in November. If we want to do a Shamrock game, make it Navy or talk Syracuse or BC into playing us someplace in NY/NJ/Boston.
In the even-numbered years we'd play Stanford at home in October like usual, Navy at home, ideally before a bye week, and end at USC.
If the current ACC deal stays in place, I'd try to approach it like this:
Five ACC games. If we want to keep doing the Shamrock Series (I'm pretty meh, myself), try and make it one of our ACC home games.
USC
Stanford
Navy
But I like the idea of ending with Navy on the West Coast. Maybe try to swap that for the bi-annual at Stanford Thanksgiving game that no one really cares about (unlike going to USC, which is cool). Go to Stanford in October instead.
Other four games:
A national power early (a la Georgia, Texas)
One or two Big Ten teams. I'd love to add MSU to our permanent rivals, myself. Also fun to have a road game students can get to. (When I was a student we'd go in droves to Purdue, MSU or Michigan. Was a blast. We don't play as many of those games anymore).
One or two breathers, though I'd vote for MAC schools over randos like UMass or New Mexico. There's more crossover of fan bases, which is fun.
So could look like this
LSU
Akron
@MSU
Syracuse
@NC State
USC
@Stanford
Va Tech
BC
@Maryland
Minnesota
Navy in San Diego
A little rugged there in October with USC-Stanford-VA tech, but manageable. Gets you to the northeast, southeast and west coast, along with that big early Saturday night game at Sparty. Three Midwestern opponents, too. Maybe flip Va Tech with Maryland or Minnesota to give us a chance at a quality win in November. If we want to do a Shamrock game, make it Navy or talk Syracuse or BC into playing us someplace in NY/NJ/Boston.
In the even-numbered years we'd play Stanford at home in October like usual, Navy at home, ideally before a bye week, and end at USC.
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Unless USC is hot that year, that's a Wisconsin-caliber schedule. A grand total of ZERO signature wins to impress the committee.
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Saw this...thought it belonged in this thread...seemed pretty interesting to me if the data point is a concern. I do like the recruiting benefit on a couple levels...
https://www.onefootdown.com/2017/11/22/16690354/solving-the-riddle-of-the-13th-data-point
https://www.onefootdown.com/2017/11/22/16690354/solving-the-riddle-of-the-13th-data-point
That would be an incredible deal. I think it’s a no brainer. Kids would love to go to Hawaii. Also, you’d want to have the game on a Thursday-Friday instead of the Saturday cause that’s some intense travel to come back to South Bend in time for another bigger game the following Saturday.
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