The Optimal Notre Dame Scheduling Model

[stlnd01]

It's an interesting idea. Also like the idea of a high-profile kickoff weekend game.

I don't know about playing Hawaii every year, though. That would essentially elevate them to an annual rival on the level of USC or Navy, and they'd never come to our place.

Wonder if we could work out a deal with the NCAA to allow service academies to host games in Hawaii (maybe cut a check to Hawaii to use their stadium), and rotate them through. The Navy, at least, has bases out there.

 

[Blaise]

It’s not having a 13th game that hurts us as much as not playing on championship weekend vs a quality opponent. Does beating 2-9 Hawaii make the PC swoon. Doubt it

 

[ThePiombino]

It’s not having a 13th game that hurts us as much as not playing on championship weekend vs a quality opponent. Does beating 2-9 Hawaii make the PC swoon. Doubt it

No, but padding the win column might.

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[Black Irish]

I think the Committee would see right through the Hawaii 13th game match up. Notre Dame would get little to no credit in their eyes for winning, but losing would be a disaster for Notre Dame's post-season hopes.

 

[ickythump1225]

Saw this...thought it belonged in this thread...seemed pretty interesting to me if the data point is a concern. I do like the recruiting benefit on a couple levels...

https://www.onefootdown.com/2017/11/22/16690354/solving-the-riddle-of-the-13th-data-point

This was my biggest takeaway:

Of the top nine teams in the college football playoff standings heading into week 13, five have an FCS victory on the resume: (#1) Alabama-Mercer, (#2) Miami-Bethune Cookman, (#3) Clemson-The Citadel, (#6) Auburn-Mercer, and (#7) Georgia-Samford. These glorified scrimmages are not only easy additional wins for teams, but actually a vitally important opportunity to get reserves some playing time. Notre Dame, on the other hand, is in an exclusive club, alongside only USC and UCLA, to have never played an FCS team since the split between Division 1A and 1AA.

That blows the whole "13th data point" concept up right there. Realistically the conference title games are the 12th data point for any team on that list. Teams that play FCS opponents are giving themselves a 2nd bye week on top of the one or two other cupcake FBS opponents they play in the OOC schedule as well.

Overall though I love the idea of starting the season in Hawaii every year and having all eyes on us before the season even kicks off. Very solid concept.

 

[stlnd01]

It’s not having a 13th game that hurts us as much as not playing on championship weekend vs a quality opponent. Does beating 2-9 Hawaii make the PC swoon. Doubt it

Yeah. This. Everyone else gets a signature win for their closing argument. Beating Hawaii in August doesn’t help us with that.

 

[Irishize]

This was my biggest takeaway:

That blows the whole "13th data point" concept up right there. Realistically the conference title games are the 12th data point for any team on that list. Teams that play FCS opponents are giving themselves a 2nd bye week on top of the one or two other cupcake FBS opponents they play in the OOC schedule as well.

Overall though I love the idea of starting the season in Hawaii every year and having all eyes on us before the season even kicks off. Very solid concept.

And remember Miami refused to travel to play Ark St amidst the hurricane fallout. They also declined to reschedule. That & the Bethune-Cookman game gives them two less datapoints despite playing in the ACC Championship Game.

 

[snoopdog]

IMO instead of trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole by adding an annual matchup against Hawaii....it would make more sense just to join the ACC and try and win the ACC championship every 3rd year to get into the playoffs.

 

[ACamp1900]

IMO instead of trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole by adding an annual matchup against Hawaii....it would make more sense just to join the ACC and try and win the ACC championship every 3rd year to get into the playoffs.

Yep and add Mercer, the Citadel and podunk taxidermy U to the OCS...

 

[GATTACA!]

IMO instead of trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole by adding an annual matchup against Hawaii....it would make more sense just to join the ACC and try and win the ACC championship every 3rd year to get into the playoffs.

Neg worthy

 

[SonofOahu]

Saw this...thought it belonged in this thread...seemed pretty interesting to me if the data point is a concern. I do like the recruiting benefit on a couple levels...

https://www.onefootdown.com/2017/11/22/16690354/solving-the-riddle-of-the-13th-data-point

That would be an incredible deal. I think it’s a no brainer. Kids would love to go to Hawaii. Also, you’d want to have the game on a Thursday-Friday instead of the Saturday cause that’s some intense travel to come back to South Bend in time for another bigger game the following Saturday.

My younger brother wrote this. It gives all the prouds .

This has been brought up before. Seems like a great solution. Hawaii would jump at this invitation right?

Also makes GKs 11 wins a season requirement more attainable.

YES, let's do this!

 

[BGIF]

IMO instead of trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole by adding an annual matchup against Hawaii....it would make more sense just to join the ACC and try and win the ACC championship every 3rd year to get into the playoffs.

Don't go halfway ... add JUCOs, no show fake courses, drop the student in student athlete, and hire Jimmy Johnson and give him a free rein.

 

[snoopdog]

Don't go halfway ... add JUCOs, no show fake courses, drop the student in student athlete, and hire Jimmy Johnson and give him a free rein.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't the Basketball team in the ACC

 

[SonofOahu]

It's an interesting idea. Also like the idea of a high-profile kickoff weekend game.

I don't know about playing Hawaii every year, though. That would essentially elevate them to an annual rival on the level of USC or Navy, and they'd never come to our place.

Wonder if we could work out a deal with the NCAA to allow service academies to host games in Hawaii (maybe cut a check to Hawaii to use their stadium), and rotate them through. The Navy, at least, has bases out there.

Hawaii played home-and-home versus Alabama, Michigan, Michigan State, UMass, and Navy. They played at tOSU and Florida. They also played Cal in Australia. Why do you think UH would have an issue travelling to South Bend?

Every military branch has bases in Hawaii. That being said, Air Force wouldn't want to play down here. They have the altitude advantage at their campus.

 

[stlnd01]

Hawaii played home-and-home versus Alabama, Michigan, Michigan State, UMass, and Navy. They played at tOSU and Florida. They also played Cal in Australia. Why do you think UH would have an issue travelling to South Bend?

Every military branch has bases in Hawaii. That being said, Air Force wouldn't want to play down here. They have the altitude advantage at their campus.

I don’t think they’d have an issue with coming to our place, but if the idea is to add a 13th game every year, playing Hawaii in South Bend doesn’t accomplish that. If I understand the “Hawaii rule” correctly. So we’d only have 13 games in years we went there.

 

[stlnd01]

Don't go halfway ... add JUCOs, no show fake courses, drop the student in student athlete, and hire Jimmy Johnson and give him a free rein.

Where’s that guy from the other day who wanted to get rid of the sissy priests who run the place?

 

[snoopdog]

Optimal schedule

Join ACC full time

Ball State at ND
At BC
Navy at ND
AT Duke
Clemson at ND
Syracuse at ND
At Wake Forest
At Virginia
NC State at ND
Louisville at ND
Miami at ND
At USC/Stanford
ACC championship
NC Semi-final
NC Final

 

[GATTACA!]

Optimal schedule

Join ACC full time

Youngtown State at ND
At BC
Navy at ND
AT Duke
Clemson at ND
Syracuse at ND
At Wake Forest
At Virginia
NC State at ND
Louisville at ND
Miami at ND
At USC/Stanford
ACC championship
NC Semi-final
NC Final

 

[ickythump1225]

IMO instead of trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole by adding an annual matchup against Hawaii....it would make more sense just to join the ACC and try and win the ACC championship every 3rd year to get into the playoffs.

11-1 ND gets into the playoffs this year. No need to sell out and join a conference.

 

[snoopdog]

11-1 ND gets into the playoffs this year. No need to sell out and join a conference.

Better to be half pregnant, or 10-2 and acc champ in the NC

 

[GATTACA!]

Better to be half pregnant, or 10-2 and acc champ in the NC

A) We would be 11-2 in the scenario B) You're assuming we'd beat Clemson C) Even if we did it's not a lock we would be in with 2 loses.

 

[Irishnuke]

Wins over Mercer, SC State, and the Citadel are not what is getting Bama, Clemson and the like into the playoffs. Adding Hawaii wouldn't change anything except another game to get ready for and additional expenses. The fact that we won't be playing on conference championship weekend is where unreasonable people have a problem.

 

[stlnd01]

Optimal schedule

Join ACC full time

Youngtown State at ND
At BC
Navy at ND
AT Duke
Clemson at ND
Syracuse at ND
At Wake Forest
At Virginia
NC State at ND
Louisville at ND
Miami at ND
At USC/Stanford
ACC championship
NC Semi-final
NC Final

What? No. Yuck. Get ahold of yourself.

Even with that schedule, this year, we lose to Clemson (assuming roughly equal to Georgia) and Miami - also no way get them both at home in the same year - go 10-2 (at best) and finish third in the ACC. What have we gained?

 

[BGIF]

Where’s that guy from the other day who wanted to get rid of the sissy priests who run the place?

???

What are you talking about?

 

[snoopdog]

What? No. Yuck. Get ahold of yourself.

Even with that schedule, this year, we lose to Clemson (assuming roughly equal to Georgia) and Miami - also no way get them both at home in the same year - go 10-2 (at best) and finish third in the ACC. What have we gained?

Check the timing of the Miami game. South Bend late November

Boom goes the dynamite

 

[mick2]

Don't go halfway ... add JUCOs, no show fake courses, drop the student in student athlete, and hire Jimmy Johnson and give him a free rein.

I don't want to join a conference, but i am on board with allowing jucos if they are eligible academically. Why not? I think not allowing them is just another unnecessary disadvantage ND puts itself at.

Oh and 13th game against hawaii would be cool but I don't think it would really help us in the eyes of the playoff committee.

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't want to join a conference, but i am on board with allowing jucos if they are eligible academically. Why not? I think not allowing them is just another unnecessary disadvantage ND puts itself at.

Oh and 13th game against hawaii would be cool but I don't think it would really help us in the eyes of the playoff committee.

I agree with the JUCOs, I've never really understood why we don't take them. Can someone with a better handle on the situation explain it to me? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[NDRock]

I agree with the JUCOs, I've never really understood why we don't take them. Can someone with a better handle on the situation explain it to me? I'm genuinely curious.

We take transfers. The problem with JUCOS is they are usually poor academic students that would not make it at ND. Not worth the trouble.

 

[ickythump1225]

We take transfers. The problem with JUCOS is they are usually poor academic students that would not make it at ND. Not worth the trouble.

But if they are academically eligible we would take them? Or we just say to hell with it and don't take anyone who is a JUCO period?

 

[NDRock]

But if they are academically eligible we would take them? Or we just say to hell with it and don't take anyone who is a JUCO period?

I obviously don’t work in Admissions but have heard there is no set rule on “JUCOS”. It’s just that those that go that route would rarely have the acedemic profile that would get them through Admissions. We did take the safety from Navy so it’s not like we won’t take transfers. They just need to be able to handle the academic side.

I’m sure others on here have more knowledge of the situation.