Temple Post Game

[Sherm Sticky]

1. Kizer is Subzero. Dude has ice in his veins. But that first interception was a horrible decision, but there wasn't really any good ones on that play. 3 options, take the sack, throw it away or force it. He chose the worst one, but it didn't look like he had time to throw it away, and giving up a sack is counter-intuitive for a QB. Still a rookie, so we can't be too mad. Made some bad reads early on.

2. Temple sold out to shut down Prosise. This is the 2nd time it has happened, and it has worked. That's when the receivers need to make plays to spread the defense out. Against Clemson, they dropped balls. Against Temple, the refs screwed them over constantly (we'll get to that).

3. Day and Rochell are just dominant, and Cage was impressive as well, he's vastly improved since the start of the year. Romeo...not so much. Schmidt....*sigh*, I think we've pretty much beaten that dead horse enough in the last 2 months. Just bench him already. Russell and Luke need to start showing up for the game. They always take so long to get in rhythm and teams are very aware of this.

4. Playcalling in the redzone and run calls....pretty bad. There were other factors, but we really had trouble establishing the run all game and there just wasn't much in terms of diversity in the run plays. It was like they kept trying to bash a square peg into a round hole. And no Adams/Flex? C'mon Kelly, gotta shake it up. That being said, Temple may have one of the best front 7's in college football, perhaps even better than Clemson's.

5. Officiating was a huge factor working against ND. No getting around it. After the 1st quarter, the refs broke a cardinal rule and changed how they looked at PI. They were having none of Temple's grabbing and mauling on our receivers in the 1st. After that, they pretty much said "f*ck it! Anything goes!". Once again, so many missed holding calls against Temple. They practically held Day and Rochell all game. Finally that targeting call. That's the kind of call that gets a ref fired right there. The original call was horrendous already, but add to the fact that they REVIEWED it and STILL deemed it targeting is what's truly insulting. If I'm Jack, I'm writing those officials names down. They are NEVER allowed to work a ND game ever again.

AAC refs doing what's best for their conference. This is the down side to be independent.


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[pumpdog20]

AAC refs doing what's best for their conference. This is the down side to be independent.


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Wouldn't they have been ACC refs?

 

[GoIrish41]

Wouldn't they have been ACC refs?

ACC refs love ND!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Wouldn't they have been ACC refs?

Were they acc? Thought they were AAC.


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[rtrn2glory]

They were aac if I remember correctly

 

[Irish Insanity]

I have no clue where the refs were from. However I just googled it and read a board that claimed we bring our own independently paid refs. They also said something about that not stopping them from beating us by 3 scores. So.......

 

[IrishLax]

I have no clue where the refs were from. However I just googled it and read a board that claimed we bring our own independently paid refs. They also said something about that not stopping them from beating us by 3 scores. So.......

Lol the Internet sometimes...

We use ACC refs on pretty much all games that aren't at home OOC... but there can be exceptions. I'll look up the officiating crew now.

 

[irishfanjho15]

It was an AAC crew. Unless the information given during the broadcast was wrong.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

It was an AAC crew. Unless the information given during the broadcast was wrong.

Which confused me, I thought we always had ACC officials at our away games.

 

[phgreek]

No one had a problem with the PI called on Nic Weishar? Come on! Or the PI on Nick Martin! Holy Testicle Tuesday! This is maximum overdrive on referee 's bullshit affecting the game!

...my list was incomplete. I recall the Weishar one...yea that was pretty piss poor. I don't recall the Martin one though...must have been a compulsory urination separation.

Anyway piling on MORE stuff they blew (pun intended) can't make me kill the horse I traded them for any deader...they should be watching the next couple with the ACC crew from the Duke-Miami Debacle.

 

[Armyirish47]

1. Outstanding DL performance. Losing Day will hurt next year but the potential for a special group is certainly there.
2. Kizer has alligator blood.
3. Love that CJ is taking so much attention from opposing def coordinators, he will get his yards in later games but Temple honoring him so much really opened up some opportunities on the edge.
4. Wide receiver blocking = nirvana.
5. Said a million times but the red zone package needs some work. If we are going to stick with stretch/zone read looks some roll out action would go a long way. Luatua should be a difference maker down there.
6. Beating a top 25 team in their house is always nice, getting caught up on their laundry is silly.

 

[IrishLax]

It was an AAC crew. Unless the information given during the broadcast was wrong.

Yeah, I just looked it up. Definitely AAC crew. Explains the absolute screw job.

 

[ThePiombino]

Yeah, I just looked it up. Definitely AAC crew. Explains the absolute screw job.

Maybe this isn't reasonable, but does no one else find it absurd that there is any sort of conference affiliation in the 1st place? Why not conference-independent officials? I mean, it's not as if each conference has its own rules. Conferences employing refs can only lead to some sort of bias. Ridiculous.

 

[IrishinSyria]

...my list was incomplete. I recall the Weishar one...yea that was pretty piss poor. I don't recall the Martin one though...must have been a compulsory urination separation.

Anyway piling on MORE stuff they blew (pun intended) can't make me kill the horse I traded them for any deader...they should be watching the next couple with the ACC crew from the Duke-Miami Debacle.

Martin one was illegal man downfield.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Martin one was illegal man downfield.

That is what it should have been called, but they did call it Pass Interference

 

[ulukinatme]

CJ Sanders had to have his foot amputated. How could you not know this?

Day is fine.

Any idea when Sanders will be back? Do they anticipate he'll still return kicks? I imagine the weight loss from losing the foot will only increase his speed.

 

[Butchie]

All I can say is it was a win and the refs sucked ballz.

Good night boys.

Ya know YJ it's like I'm with Ya - and not all in one. The refs sucked yes targeting??? Really??? But then they made all them PI calls that were correct in Irish favor, but then missed some more. and then the OPI. WTF I'm torn. So I guess fuck 'em with a smile.

 

[Butchie]

Wow.

Other than 1 catch, #6 effectively took their best WR out of the game. I think he had 2 catches. They threw away from him all game.

Will Fuller had basically an extra defender on him all game over the top. They weren't going to let him beat them deep.

The ND OL didn't get "Dominated". In pass protection, they were pretty good unless Temple brought 15 (or so it seemed), and they were bound and determined to stop Prosise (which they did).

I know everyone expected to thump Temple because they played bad against ECU last week, and that's the only Temple football they've watched. But that's a really good, really amped up Temple team. Should we/could we have won by more? Sure. But I'd pick that Temple team to beat both Houston and Memphis if they play like that (yea, AAC, but those are some pretty good teams).

We beat a pretty legit T25 team tonight on the road and played pretty bad inside the 20. That's not an awful way to end the weekend. Pretty sure we're the only team that can say that this weekend.

Woneone - I have to agree with you. It was good, but it was bad. We did not perform in the redzone. We did not put he foot on the throat when we had a chance. The lack of killer instinct - Yeah that's us in the red zone.

But we won. Kizer!!! Fuller again!!! Kizer!!! To not give that game ball to Fuller is almost impossible, but oh yeah Kizer!!!. I love this kid. I'm sorry Malik - There's no looking back. We've found our guy.

C'mon. ND OL again with the inability to run when a team says "Your not running on us." Thats not acceptable. They walk back to ND IMO. D was great. Way too many stops for the O let slip away. I'm with the mantra - survive and advance. - GO IRISH!

 

[EuropeanDomer22]

PFF Grades

— A rare, if inconsistent, bright spot on the Notre Dame defense a year ago, Sheldon Day has been consistently excellent this season and turned in his best game of the season (+9.3) against the Owls last night. Racking up six pressures (1 sack, 1 hit, 4 hurries) for the third time this season Day also racked up four stops (for the third time in 2015), wreaking havoc on a Temple offensive line that simply couldn’t handle the rising talent on the Fighting Irish’s defensive line.

— Notre Dame hasn’t missed a beat on offense with DeShone Kizer (-1.1) taking over for the injured Malik Zaire, but this was not one of Kizer’s strongest performances of the season. Kizer almost gave Temple a Hail Mary to win the game as he fumbled on a last second play to wind out the clock. Prior to that he struggled to find Will Fuller (+1.0) and others for big plays down the field, with 116 of his 299 passing yards coming on targets behind the line of scrimmage.

— Notre Dame linebacker Jaylon Smith (+2.1) still has not earned a negative grade in a game this season after a solid all-around display last night. Smith earned positive grades in run defense (+0.6), coverage (+0.6) and as a pass rusher (+0.7) where he collected a hit on one of his four pass rushes. With only two stops this was one of Smith’s less productive games, but he still stood out with a couple of powerful tackles to limit yards after contact.

Top performers:

DT Sheldon Day (+9.3)
RT Mike McGlinchey (+6.0)
DE Isaac Rochell (+4.8)
DT Daniel Cage (+2.4)
LB Jaylon Smith (+2.1)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

...my list was incomplete. I recall the Weishar one...yea that was pretty piss poor. I don't recall the Martin one though...must have been a compulsory urination separation.

Anyway piling on MORE stuff they blew (pun intended) can't make me kill the horse I traded them for any deader...they should be watching the next couple with the ACC crew from the Duke-Miami Debacle.

So on the one pass - run option, Kizer held the ball like he did in a previous game where he threw it late. Same problem, the linemen were already downfield. The ball bounced off the turf and hit Martin in the back of the leg. While he was blocking. So they called pass interference even though the ball was uncatchable. Why? That penalty was more yardage and added loss of down. Ratfuckers.

For those that wondered, you can tell this is an AAC crew because of the moronic smiles on their faces, intermittent with blank stares, all game long.

Seriously, the AAC is a mid to lower level conference, with no history before 2013. That is the worst possible combination for assembling competent ref crews. The minute someone is good, they have a chance to ref the big time. Incompetence, runs high because there isn't even a decent seniority system to reward experience. There is no way to determine whether an official has risen to their highest level of incompetence, other than botched games.

What ND does is allow a visitor to bring their own conference ref crew into ND Stadium. Now with that they follow custom and use an ACC review official.

It used to be that opponents would follow suite and let ND bring their officiating crew in for away games. If you remember there was a hubbub when Michigan denied that in 2011 (I believe), or maybe 2009.

ND used to use a crew of refs that did independents games. Then they switched to Big East. With the demise of the Big East, they started using ACC crews, even before the agreement between ND and the ACC was reached for other sport participation.

Maybe this isn't reasonable, but does no one else find it absurd that there is any sort of conference affiliation in the 1st place? Why not conference-independent officials? I mean, it's not as if each conference has its own rules. Conferences employing refs can only lead to some sort of bias. Ridiculous.

Actually there are or have been differences in the rules between conferences. That sort of comes and goes. The last good big example is the PAC 12 resisted adding a seventh member to its crews when most other conferences added a ref. I remember ND let SC bring a smaller crew (their smaller crew) into ND stadium for one of the games.

Postscript : That is right! Reps, sir!

For the longest time, ND used to use B1G refs, but that's ancient history. lol

 

[Irish#1]

For the longest time, ND used to use B1G refs, but that's ancient history. lol

 

[irishff1014]

Maybe this isn't reasonable, but does no one else find it absurd that there is any sort of conference affiliation in the 1st place? Why not conference-independent officials? I mean, it's not as if each conference has its own rules. Conferences employing refs can only lead to some sort of bias. Ridiculous.

I thought that same thing.

 

[Irish YJ]

I thought that same thing.

I'm not sure how it all works, but who officiates ND home games now, and who officiated them before the ACC partnership. Was it Big East, and now ACC, or was there ND employed officials, or mix of other conf officials.

 

[irishff1014]

I'm not sure how it all works, but who officiates ND home games now, and who officiated them before the ACC partnership. Was it Big East, and now ACC, or was there ND employed officials, or mix of other conf officials.

I actually don't remember. But like he said I would like to see just like a refs association for college that way all the teams play with the officials. One week they could be doing FSU & Clemson next we they could do OU & Kansas.

 

[Irish YJ]

I actually don't remember. But like he said I would like to see just like a refs association for college that way all the teams play with the officials. One week they could be doing FSU & Clemson next we they could do OU & Kansas.

Agree. Some of the old geo challenges are not such big challenges anymore. So much overlap with power five conference these days. You could cut the nation in quarters and have refs travel within their areas. You don't even have to limit to power 5. They could go all D1.

 

[phork]

The NCAA really needs to get on board with national refs. Its been said 100 times but damn, lets go.

 

[NDgradstudent]

I'm not sure how it all works, but who officiates ND home games now, and who officiated them before the ACC partnership. Was it Big East, and now ACC, or was there ND employed officials, or mix of other conf officials.

I don't know about before, but now it is a mix of officials from the ACC and from the league of the opponent: the field crew is from one league and the reply crew is from another. I can't think of any badly officiated home games (whether they screwed ND or not) in the last couple years. Fans of MSU (2013) and UNC (2014) would beg to differ, I'm sure.

 

[ThePiombino]

Agree. Some of the old geo challenges are not such big challenges anymore. So much overlap with power five conference these days. You could cut the nation in quarters and have refs travel within their areas. You don't even have to limit to power 5. They could go all D1.

Yeah, so the one challenge I thought of was travel, but A) the above quoted and B) NFL refs don't have a problem with it. I'm sure it can be done.

 

[dang227]

Temple Post Game

As irritated as I was during the game and at times irrational, it is pretty amazing we are 7-1 right now with all the injuries. I would have taken 7-1 with a healthy squad at this point before the year started.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

There are some pretty pessimistic posts in this thread after beating a ranked team on the road with that kind of defense, that kind of poor officiating, and that kind of bad red zone play.

I had ND pegged for a double digit win going into the game. 3 points in four trips to the RZ screwed me.

But they got the W. That's all that matters.