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As in, the next 2 years....
It was just a thought I had, given the rising hub bub of ND possibly going to the Big XII
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As in, the next 2 years....
It was just a thought I had, given the rising hub bub of ND possibly going to the Big XII
NDinFL
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Dude is calculating, in a good way.
And yes, I just referred to Jack Swarbrick as "dude"
dshans
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Gotta go with the mane man on this one. I've read most (if not all) of TXND's posts and found little to nothing truly "out of bounds" in his posts, especially his earliest ones. As he was attacked and provoked the tenor changed – from both sides.
Just what defines "troll?" Just what defines "abuse of power?" Just when does "hit the road, jack(***)" constitute reasoned and civil discourse?
GoodGawdAwmighty ...
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phork
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Acamp and NDinLA, make it easy on yourself. Do like I do. Hate everyone. Be an equal opportunity hater. Easy to pick your enemies that way.
And really because you all call me a pessimist, doesn't mean its true. Realism can be mistaken a lot of the time for pessimism when your viewpoint is not shared. Just because my opinion doesn't come through green colored kool-aid mugs, doesn't mean its pessimistic.
Hell I predicted 10-2 and a BCS win last year, what did you guys do? Hardly call that pessimistic.
Anyways enough BS, lets all group hug after a quick slug fest.
And really because you all call me a pessimist, doesn't mean its true. Realism can be mistaken a lot of the time for pessimism when your viewpoint is not shared. Just because my opinion doesn't come through green colored kool-aid mugs, doesn't mean its pessimistic.
Hell I predicted 10-2 and a BCS win last year, what did you guys do? Hardly call that pessimistic.
Anyways enough BS, lets all group hug after a quick slug fest.
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Jack IS going to do the right thing-book it- and we all know Notre Dame wants independence. With all that said (speaking on my behalf only) I'd rather see Notre Dame take on all the problems that everyone likes to point out that may happen than ever ever give up its stand alone position. When that is lost Notre Dame becomes just another football program. Its the very reason why all these other schools want to back Notre Dame into a corner-because Notre Dame stands alone. All these other rival games are based on the fact that Notre Dame is independent and because of its history-after that expires its just another football game inside the conference. Let'em all become minor league pro football but never ever give in to what they want Notre Dame to do-become just like them! By the way win some games and all this bull^%$# goes away.
phork
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Perception is reality my friend. Might as well play the role I was offered.
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dshans
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Would that be "role?" If so, your avatar evokes an image of a two-faced lecher.
If "roll" I'd opt for for one in the hay ...
dshans
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But who's buying the drinks?
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phork
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Kaiser roll, with butter.
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dshans goes against 'the man'...shhhhhhhhhocking!!!! Wash, rinse, repeat. (Variety is much more fun though, don't you think?)
And maybe you should read his posts closer. Or perhaps him showing up under a different username and ripping ND (once again) while saying we're not good enough for the Big 12 b/c we'll only win 5 games and are basically a MAC team is good enough for you?
Read my original post again. He was a troll, and he showed it when he made a new username and went off on ND even further. Other members sniffed him out before me. WE can bash the Irish, but outside trolls can't - it's not that type of site. People can go to Rivals or ESPN for that...
Your *** is mine you ****ing white hilly billy socialist. Mother ****ing site is going down you two faced ****
TerryTate
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GIVE TEXASNDBIG12 A CHANCE! HE SEEMS LIKE A GREAT GUY AND WOULD ADD A LOT TO THE SITE!!!!
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X1000. Reps! You can speak on my behalf, too.
A semi-tangential question for you guys :
Do you guys feel that ND is under pressure to take on a relatively tough schedule year in - year out in order keep the value of the TV contract that it has high?
I was looking at the Sagarin SOS ratings over the past 4 years and and ND seems to consistently have a schedule around the Top 30 (aside from the '08 season where it was lower)
This was interesting to me in that it's not high enough to guarantee a national title run even with a perfect record yet it is higher than what it probably needs to be in order to get you guys into a BCS bowl with a 11 win season.
Why not weaken the schedule a bit to position yourselves better?
Do you guys feel that ND is under pressure to take on a relatively tough schedule year in - year out in order keep the value of the TV contract that it has high?
I was looking at the Sagarin SOS ratings over the past 4 years and and ND seems to consistently have a schedule around the Top 30 (aside from the '08 season where it was lower)
This was interesting to me in that it's not high enough to guarantee a national title run even with a perfect record yet it is higher than what it probably needs to be in order to get you guys into a BCS bowl with a 11 win season.
Why not weaken the schedule a bit to position yourselves better?
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You sure do know how to pick'em dshans.
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HTCI vouched for this guy. I think we should give him a chance.
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You really should wait like a week or so before you try to hop back on the site under a different name. You stick out like a hilly billy in China.
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shaggybevo.com is the site you are looking for.
ACamp1900
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there are ways to confirm the IP nd from there narrow down where the person is in the world... HCTI, LMI, myself and Goshen among others did it all the time, just hit up JPham if you guys are unaware...
TerryTate
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It's a new IP. Well aware of this tactic
ACamp1900
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you can match the two Ip's locale too... though I'm sure you knew that also, just trying to help.
ACamp1900
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This came in very handy when everyone thought I was arabia just because the bitch loved cats... lol
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Hahahahahaha
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You guys are badly in need of something to take your minds off the dead period until summer practice, or until Smith, Rochell, Anzalone, et al sign. The following might not help but it's my attempt at social work.
On the topic: let's pretend that college football was really starting to roll towards a four conference dominated non-NCAA governed "let's take all the cash" pre-NFL football league. Then, let's try to "follow the money" and see if that leads anywhere.
1). Different programs pride themselves on big stadiums. That is not really a pride thing but a money thing of course. Of the twenty largest stadiums, 8 are in the SEC, and 5 in the B1G. No accident. The Big 12 and the PAC12 have just two each. Yes, that does not add up to twenty. When you go to the next twenty largest stadiums, the B1G adds 5, the SEC 3, the Big 12 5 and the PAC12 3. "Economically" as regards infrastructure, the PAC 12 lags behind the other conferences, and it shows in general profitability. Some wondered why the Big 12 would want WVU. WVU would add the fourth largest stadium in the conference as well as two very profitable major sports. Should Clemson and FSU come in as rumored, they would rival Sooner stadium in size, smaller only than Texas. WVU, Clemson, and FSU are "desirable properties".
2). If WVU, TCU [only viable because of location and "ambition" to grow into an economic power], FSU, and Clemson join the Big 12, it would be back to the Big 12 --- fellas, I haven't kept up with all the rumors and slidings about, so take the teams-to-conferences stuff as just examples for talking purposes. The SEC with MO and A&M would have 14. The B1G would have 12. The PAC12 would have 12. The SEC might just stop there. There is no necessary reason just to add teams for some Pythagorean number mysticism reason. Rather follow the money. If the SEC stops there, will the other conferences follow? Note that it is very difficult for the PAC 12 to expand. They've already snipped off UT and CO, and the reach is great. Plus, which "properties" within reasonable reach are lucrative? BYU? maybe. Boise? not economically. They'd do better with the bigger stadiums of SD State or Hawaii. The PAC 12 could decide that since they dominate the sports market of a major economic area of the country, they don't have to follow anyone else's plan. If twelve's good, why expand?? We'll still be a major player.
3). The B1G in it's way will think the same. What's profitable for us? We're going to be a major player no matter what. The B1G however has some real options to look at other than Notre Dame, though we would be the economic prize. Some of those are Pitt [over PSUs objections --- money would win in the end], Syracuse [big enough stadium and two profitable major sports, plus east coast "takeover" as Eastern football is about to disappear], UNC, VA, MD [big state research universities with decent sized stadiums, UNC easily being the most desirable property]. The B1G could take two to get to 14 and stop.
4). Would the Big 12 stop at 12? Probably not. Louisville has been strongly rumored I believe. Miami too, to follow FSU. Louisville is at first glance an odd possibility, but looking deeper one finds a marginally acceptable stadium size, "ambition", AND most importantly the TWENTY-SECOND most profitable program in college sports : LOUISVILLE BASKETBALL!! And the football team actually makes more money than three of their members as well. One could see a Big 14 in the plains. That might mean 14+14+14+12 in the big four conferences. Who's left "outside" in such a scenario?
5). ND of course. But there are others. BYU. Most of the ACC, including Duke's hugely profitable BBall program. And what is to me the great prize [other than us] Virginia Tech --- big stadium, proven profitability, national prestige, rabid fan base, ultra-stability, high-academics [though not for the players so much]. Where does Tech go?? Almost all of the prize commodities are out of the PAC-12s reach. The SEC doesn't seem to care really about change other than initiating their-prefered-style of play-offs. That leaves the Big 12 and the B1G. Where does Tech go? It won't stay in a ACC without FSU, Miami, Clemson, and probably UNC. I don't think so anyway. Regardless, assuming that teams like WVU, FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Miami vacate that area of the country conference-wise, East coast football is doomed, thus making the disintegration of the ACC nearly inevitable --- but where can the UNCs, Dukes, NCstates, MDs VAs GTs WFs BCs go? Is there any feasibility for a conference with those teams plus Pitt, Syracuse, VT, USF [another valuable property], Cincy, Rutgers combined into a fifth power? That's VERY powerful in everything but football, but could VT carry that flag??
So, there you go, folks. Probably just another turd in our punchbowl by me, but at least I had good intentions.
On the topic: let's pretend that college football was really starting to roll towards a four conference dominated non-NCAA governed "let's take all the cash" pre-NFL football league
1). Different programs pride themselves on big stadiums. That is not really a pride thing but a money thing of course. Of the twenty largest stadiums, 8 are in the SEC, and 5 in the B1G. No accident. The Big 12 and the PAC12 have just two each. Yes, that does not add up to twenty. When you go to the next twenty largest stadiums, the B1G adds 5, the SEC 3, the Big 12 5 and the PAC12 3. "Economically" as regards infrastructure, the PAC 12 lags behind the other conferences, and it shows in general profitability. Some wondered why the Big 12 would want WVU. WVU would add the fourth largest stadium in the conference as well as two very profitable major sports. Should Clemson and FSU come in as rumored, they would rival Sooner stadium in size, smaller only than Texas. WVU, Clemson, and FSU are "desirable properties".
2). If WVU, TCU [only viable because of location and "ambition" to grow into an economic power], FSU, and Clemson join the Big 12, it would be back to the Big 12 --- fellas, I haven't kept up with all the rumors and slidings about, so take the teams-to-conferences stuff as just examples for talking purposes. The SEC with MO and A&M would have 14. The B1G would have 12. The PAC12 would have 12. The SEC might just stop there. There is no necessary reason just to add teams for some Pythagorean number mysticism reason. Rather follow the money. If the SEC stops there, will the other conferences follow? Note that it is very difficult for the PAC 12 to expand. They've already snipped off UT and CO, and the reach is great. Plus, which "properties" within reasonable reach are lucrative? BYU? maybe. Boise? not economically. They'd do better with the bigger stadiums of SD State or Hawaii. The PAC 12 could decide that since they dominate the sports market of a major economic area of the country, they don't have to follow anyone else's plan. If twelve's good, why expand?? We'll still be a major player.
3). The B1G in it's way will think the same. What's profitable for us? We're going to be a major player no matter what. The B1G however has some real options to look at other than Notre Dame, though we would be the economic prize. Some of those are Pitt [over PSUs objections --- money would win in the end], Syracuse [big enough stadium and two profitable major sports, plus east coast "takeover" as Eastern football is about to disappear], UNC, VA, MD [big state research universities with decent sized stadiums, UNC easily being the most desirable property]. The B1G could take two to get to 14 and stop.
4). Would the Big 12 stop at 12? Probably not. Louisville has been strongly rumored I believe. Miami too, to follow FSU. Louisville is at first glance an odd possibility, but looking deeper one finds a marginally acceptable stadium size, "ambition", AND most importantly the TWENTY-SECOND most profitable program in college sports : LOUISVILLE BASKETBALL!! And the football team actually makes more money than three of their members as well. One could see a Big 14 in the plains. That might mean 14+14+14+12 in the big four conferences. Who's left "outside" in such a scenario?
5). ND of course. But there are others. BYU. Most of the ACC, including Duke's hugely profitable BBall program. And what is to me the great prize [other than us] Virginia Tech --- big stadium, proven profitability, national prestige, rabid fan base, ultra-stability, high-academics [though not for the players so much]. Where does Tech go?? Almost all of the prize commodities are out of the PAC-12s reach. The SEC doesn't seem to care really about change other than initiating their-prefered-style of play-offs. That leaves the Big 12 and the B1G. Where does Tech go? It won't stay in a ACC without FSU, Miami, Clemson, and probably UNC. I don't think so anyway. Regardless, assuming that teams like WVU, FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Miami vacate that area of the country conference-wise, East coast football is doomed, thus making the disintegration of the ACC nearly inevitable --- but where can the UNCs, Dukes, NCstates, MDs VAs GTs WFs BCs go? Is there any feasibility for a conference with those teams plus Pitt, Syracuse, VT, USF [another valuable property], Cincy, Rutgers combined into a fifth power? That's VERY powerful in everything but football, but could VT carry that flag??
So, there you go, folks. Probably just another turd in our punchbowl by me, but at least I had good intentions.