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Bishop2b5 said:
Would you name some of those D2 schools? Actually, I don't believe there's a single one on any SEC team's schedule. The SEC is having a down year so far. It happens, but it's our first in ages. Keep in mind, this is the conference that won the past 4 NC's, 15 of the past 20, has more players in the NFL than any other conference, and has had more players chosen in each of the past 16 NFL drafts. Curb your enthusiasm for the death of the king. It's a slow year. That's all.
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You are wiser than this Bish, you know what I mean by D2 and so does everyone else being honest around here. Are you really going to go the mat defending MTSU and Chattanooga's honor? I'm not even ragging on South Florida here. Too bad you scheduled Texas - that one, neutral site in the south out of conference opponent per year. 7 home games and daytrip to the rest.


SEC Scheduled patsies for 2023 (appreciate some of these may be technically D1 schools like 0-eternity South Florida.
Week 1
South Dakota vs Mizzou
Western Carolina vs Arkansas
Mercer vs Ole Miss
UMass vs Auburn
SE Louisiana vs Miss St
UT Martin vs UGA
Alabama A&M vs Vandy
MTSU vs BAMA

Week 2
Kent State vs Arkansas
Austin Peay vs Tenn
E Kentucky vs Kentucky
MTSU vs Missouri
Grambling vs LSU
McNeese vs Florida
Furman vs So Carolina

Week 3
UL Monroe @ TAMU
Samford @ Auburn
South Florida is the worst D1 team, Akron can't be far behind.

Week 4
Juggernauts UTSA, Charlotte, UAB up against ranked opponents from the SEC

Weeks 5-11 : SEC season kicks in wooo! Lets sneak in Western Michigan, Army, UConn and Jacksonville State while nobody is looking.

Week 12 - always important for those SEC teams to rest up before their big season rivalry finale. Why take a Bye in November when you can get a valuable W to ensure bowl eligibility and give your backups some burn.
Georgia State at LSU
UL Monroe at Ole Miss
FIU at Arkansas
Chattanooga at BAMA
Southern Miss @ Miss St
Abilene Christian at TAMU

So are you playing with semantics or completely blind to the shit schools littering the SEC schedules? In your defense, I can appreciate how forgettable these opponents are. SEC schools, particularly at the top of the food chain, schedule for post season positioning. In 2022 Bama played Utah State, UL Monroe and Austin Peay. 2021 they played Mercer, Southern Miss and New Mexico State. 2019 they played Southern Miss, Western Carolina, New Mexico State. 2018 they played Arkansas State, Louisiana and The Citadel. But now that

ND broke the seal and scheduled Middle Tennessee we can't critique the schools that have been doing that X2 forever.
 
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RDU Irish said:
ND broke the seal and scheduled Middle Tennessee we can't critique the schools that have been doing that X2 forever.
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Not gonna lie, it was a nice bargaining chip anytime someone said "But ND doesn't play a conference championship!" because 12 games is basically the same as 13 /w an FCS.
Of course that fact hasn't prevented conference championship losers or teams that have dodged it from participating in the playoff.
 
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RDU Irish said:
You are wiser than this Bish, you know what I mean by D2 and so does everyone else being honest around here. Are you really going to go the mat defending MTSU and Chattanooga's honor? I'm not even ragging on South Florida here. Too bad you scheduled Texas - that one, neutral site in the south out of conference opponent per year. 7 home games and daytrip to the rest.

So are you playing with semantics or completely blind to the shit schools littering the SEC schedules? In your defense, I can appreciate how forgettable these opponents are. SEC schools, particularly at the top of the food chain, schedule for post season positioning. In 2022 Bama played Utah State, UL Monroe and Austin Peay. 2021 they played Mercer, Southern Miss and New Mexico State. 2019 they played Southern Miss, Western Carolina, New Mexico State. 2018 they played Arkansas State, Louisiana and The Citadel. But now that

ND broke the seal and scheduled Middle Tennessee we can't critique the schools that have been doing that X2 forever.
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You said D2 schools. Yes, I knew you probably meant FCS, but there's a huge difference in FCS and D2. I just pointed that out. Be accurate and truthful. No need to exaggerate to criticize something you don't like.
 
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ulukinatme said:
Not gonna lie, it was a nice bargaining chip anytime someone said "But ND doesn't play a conference championship!" because 12 games is basically the same as 13 /w an FCS.
Of course that fact hasn't prevented conference championship losers or teams that have dodged it from participating in the playoff.
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I have never given that argument much credence and the new playoff structure makes it pretty irrelevant.
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
You said D2 schools. Yes, I knew you probably meant FCS, but there's a huge difference in FCS and D2. I just pointed that out. Be accurate and truthful. No need to exaggerate to criticize something you don't like
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I have never been able to internalize the FCS/FBS thing. Stupid "fix" to something that was more intuitive before. I'm sure it was driven by SEC clowns who wanted their sisters of the poor scrimmages to look more credible.
 
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RDU Irish said:
I have never been able to internalize the FCS/FBS thing. Stupid "fix" to something that was more intuitive before. I'm sure it was driven by SEC clowns who wanted their sisters of the poor scrimmages to look more credible.
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Your team played an FCS program this year. In fact, a rather bad one. I'm not criticizing that. Playing an FCS program helps both parties without hurting anyone. Both teams benefit in different ways, and nobody seriously counts a win over an FCS program when determining playoff spots. Just pointing out that you're hung up on something your own school does too. BTW, the distinction between FCS, FBS, and D2 has nothing to do with the SEC and their desire for some particular perception. Spewing angry insults is how this argument got started. Do your research and stick to the facts.
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
Your team played an FCS program this year. In fact, a rather bad one. I'm not criticizing that. Playing an FCS program helps both parties without hurting anyone. Both teams benefit in different ways, and nobody seriously counts a win over an FCS program when determining playoff spots. Just pointing out that you're hung up on something your own school does too. BTW, the distinction between FCS, FBS, and D2 has nothing to do with the SEC and their desire for some particular perception. Spewing angry insults is how this argument got started. Do your research and stick to the facts.
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C'mon Bishop. ND has scheduled one, ever! SEC schools typically schedule two a year.
 
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stlnd01 said:
FCS may not be “Division 2” but it is clearly the second division. And FCS teams are all over SEC schedules. Is the point.
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This is very well stated.

Division I is basically three components: P5, G5 and FCS. P5 and G5 were once known as I-A. FCS was I-AA. The athletic budget gap between an FCS and G5 school is very significant, so you can imagine what the gulf is between FCS and P5. There is a reason P5 and G5 schools offer money for FCS to play them.

Illinois and Northwestern are on a totally different tier than Northern Illinois in terms of athletic budget. NIU is a tier above FCS Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Southern Illinois and Western Illinois.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
This is very well stated.

Division I is basically three components: P5, G5 and FCS. P5 and G5 were once known as I-A. FCS was I-AA. The athletic budget gap between an FCS and G5 school is very significant, so you can imagine what the gulf is between FCS and P5. There is a reason P5 and G5 schools offer money for FCS to play them.

Illinois and Northwestern are on a totally different tier than Northern Illinois in terms of athletic budget. NIU is a tier above FCS Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Southern Illinois and Western Illinois.
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You know what i meant…
Lumps mid ten (G5 FBS) with Chattanooga (FCS)
 
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DillonHall said:
If Clemson joins the B1G, we should too. The ACC is a sinking ship. SMU????
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Playoffs expanding to 12 teams, Notre Dame top 10 team, love them or hate them still a huge draw, what incentive is there to joining a conference? Don't give me that extra data point crap. Michigan has a schedule softer than charmin toilet paper and they still get the benefit of the doubt. We could also schedule just 1 or 2 decent teams a year. We just have to win those matchups.
 
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indianamouse said:
Playoffs expanding to 12 teams, Notre Dame top 10 team, love them or hate them still a huge draw, what incentive is there to joining a conference? Don't give me that extra data point crap. Michigan has a schedule softer than charmin toilet paper and they still get the benefit of the doubt. We could also schedule just 1 or 2 decent teams a year. We just have to win those matchups.
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1. More money
2. Eligibility for a bye in the 12-team Playoff (regardless of which conference we'd join)
3. Stability
4. The B1G in particular is clearly the best non-regional conference in the country. With their recent additions, you could even argue that the football quality is better than the SEC
5. Change isn't always bad. For YEARS, many fans didn't want a Jumbotron in the stadium because of "tradition"


Michigan gets the benefit of the doubt because they've won the B1G two straight years
 
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DillonHall said:
1. More money
2. Eligibility for a bye in the 12-team Playoff (regardless of which conference we'd join)
3. Stability
4. The B1G in particular is clearly the best non-regional conference in the country. With their recent additions, you could even argue that the football quality is better than the SEC
5. Change isn't always bad. For YEARS, many fans didn't want a Jumbotron in the stadium because of "tradition"


Michigan gets the benefit of the doubt because they've won the B1G two straight years
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1. ND has plenty
2. Fair point
3. ND remains in every discussion, how do we not have stability?
4. Until the Big whatever wins a championship, they are not better than the SEC.
5. Change yes, but following the herd is not what ND stands for.

No, Michigan gets the benefit of the doubt for beating Ohio State, not for winning the Big Ten.
 
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indianamouse said:
1. ND has plenty
2. Fair point
3. ND remains in every discussion, how do we not have stability?
4. Until the Big whatever wins a championship, they are not better than the SEC.
5. Change yes, but following the herd is not what ND stands for.

No, Michigan gets the benefit of the doubt for beating Ohio State, not for winning the Big Ten.
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If ND had so much extra money, they wouldn't send me mail every 1-2 months (and emails at least that frequently) asking to renew my donation

The SEC has 3-4 elite programs but the B1G now has better depth after adding four good PAC-12 schools. Probably no objective way to compare them, but the B1G is a much more national conference

Obviously Michigan had to beat Ohio State to win their division so that they could go to the championship game
 
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Find me anyone anywhere on this planet that has "plenty" of money and would actually turn down the opportunity to get more.
 
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DillonHall said:
2. Eligibility for a bye in the 12-team Playoff (regardless of which conference we'd join)
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With all the conference consolidation, I wonder how long we'll have 6 conference auto-bids and require a conference champion for byes.

Big 12, Big 10, and SEC champions will probably be decent every year. But especially if the ACC implodes, how likely is it that that fourth bye "deserves" a top 4 spot? Should the winner of what's left of the PAC12 really be seeded above an SEC runner-up Alabama team? I think you'll start to see SEC and Big 10 folks clamoring to tweak the auto-bid and bye system (which would be great for an independent ND).
 
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Coachstradamus said:
With all the conference consolidation, I wonder how long we'll have 6 conference auto-bids and require a conference champion for byes.

Big 12, Big 10, and SEC champions will probably be decent every year. But especially if the ACC implodes, how likely is it that that fourth bye "deserves" a top 4 spot? Should the winner of what's left of the PAC12 really be seeded above an SEC runner-up Alabama team? I think you'll start to see SEC and Big 10 folks clamoring to tweak the auto-bid and bye system (which would be great for an independent ND).
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The Playoff committee is meeting this week and the expectation is that there will only be 5 automatic bids instead of the current plan of six.
 
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