Superconferences & Realignment

[irishff1014]

I wasn't sure where else to put this.

 

[IrishLax]

I think it’s more likely that the PAC12 folds with 4-6 teams headed to the Big 12 than that this “partnership” ever comes to fruition and produces a single meaningful matchup.

I also think that about half the ACC wants out right now but you need two-thirds and they are nowhere close to that because your Wake Forests and NC States of the world are quaking in their boots.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I want ND to have nothing to do with this tier 2 bullshit.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I think it’s more likely that the PAC12 folds with 4-6 teams headed to the Big 12 than that this “partnership” ever comes to fruition and produces a single meaningful matchup.

I also think that about half the ACC wants out right now but you need two-thirds and they are nowhere close to that because your Wake Forests and NC States of the world are quaking in their boots.

Also, the rest of the ACC probably isn't that interested in watching Clemson again. I wonder how much Clemson's hegemony is a drag on fan participation for the rest of the conference. It's probably a microcosm of where CFB's been heading.

 

[BoredIrish]

The Big 12 is in “serious” talks with six Pac-12 members, sources told The Athletic. Those schools are Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington, sources said.

Interesting that Stanford isnt included in those schools.

 

[OhioIrish]

For anyone who might know —

Is it a foregone conclusion that ND will take an equal share of revenue from whichever conference they join?

Seems to me that they should be leveraging for a larger piece of the pie no matter the conference. Am I wrong?

 

[Old Man Mike]

... and where does Cal(Berkeley) --- one of the Nation's research giants --- go?
Very Big Ten like school.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

For anyone who might know —

Is it a foregone conclusion that ND will take an equal share of revenue from whichever conference they join?

Seems to me that they should be leveraging for a larger piece of the pie no matter the conference. Am I wrong?

If in the ACC they could demand a larger share. But in the Big 10 or SEC they could not and should not expect more than OSU, Bama etc.

 

[IrishLax]

 

[Irish#1]

Must mean a big announcement is coming.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

The ACC is a train wreck. The GOR will (likely) keep them together, but that contract is an albatross and FSU and Clemson are gonna pitch a fit.

 

[NorthDakota]

The growth of super conferences is awful

 

[GATTACA!]

The growth of super conferences is awful

The SEC and B1G are going to keep expanding until they get so big they need to split themselves into mini semi conferences and we’ll be right back where we started.

 

[IrishLax]

The growth of super conferences is awful

In a sense it's terrible and perverting the sport. In another sense, some of these conferences just need to die because of how they're set up. The ACC should've been a Tier 1 conference but had bozos working out the media rights. The PAC12 is the same. The Big 12 has always been 80% fluff.

The Big Ten is well constituted as a "northern" conference with some modicum of academic prestige. The SEC is well constituted as a "Stetson Bennett was in school for six years, doesn't have a degree, and no one cares because football > all" conference. They need the prominent east coast schools to pick a side and then the west coast needs to figure its shit out. There should be ~3 16ish team conferences and then no one else should matter.

 

[WilliamWallace]

In a sense it's terrible and perverting the sport. In another sense, some of these conferences just need to die because of how they're set up. The ACC should've been a Tier 1 conference but had bozos working out the media rights. The PAC12 is the same. The Big 12 has always been 80% fluff.

The Big Ten is well constituted as a "northern" conference with some modicum of academic prestige. The SEC is well constituted as a "Stetson Bennett was in school for six years, doesn't have a degree, and no one cares because football > all" conference. They need the prominent east coast schools to pick a side and then the west coast needs to figure its shit out. There should be ~3 16ish team conferences and then no one else should matter.

I don’t foresee a future of Independents forming an independent conference. So how long before we join the B16?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I don’t foresee a future of Independents forming an independent conference. So how long before we join the B16?

There is an inevitability here now more than ever. I think Jack navigated the situation incredibly well so that ND can have what it wants, which is ultimately football independence, but it is coming down to a time where that is no longer sustainable with all of the rapid changes that have been occuring. There is money to be made, which is really all that anyone is going to care about, being in a conference and I could see a scenario where Jack irons out whatever the neal deal is with whoever and wherever the conference is then steps down to retire. At that point, there are so many ND alums who are currently acting ADs that they'll have their pick of who they hire for the seat next as surely many of those along with many other non alum ADs will go for the job.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If the SEC is "in" the future undeniably, AND the B1G is "in" the future undeniably, who-in-the-hell is the 3rd conference (or fourth)?
There is nothing comparable given the TX-OK and USC-UCLA shifts. WITHOUT Notre Dame, you cannot even conceive of a third rival to the two monsters. WITH ND just barely. ... certainly not two.

 

[IrishLax]

If the SEC is "in" the future undeniably, AND the B1G is "in" the future undeniably, who-in-the-hell is the 3rd conference (or fourth)?
There is nothing comparable given the TX-OK and USC-UCLA shifts. WITHOUT Notre Dame, you cannot even conceive of a third rival to the two monsters. WITH ND just barely. ... certainly not two.

I think it would be the also-ran elements of the remaining conferences... there is no telling how "big" the B1G really wants to get, and same for the SEC, but let's assume for arguments sake that:
-North Carolina
-Miami
-Florida State
-Clemson

All find homes. And so does ND in the B1G.

Then you have your borderline UVA, VT, etc. that don't pull big ratings. The question is whether those teams would also get folded into SEC/Big Ten or end up in some sort of conference that looks like:
-Oregon
-Washington
-Virginia schools
-North Carolina schools
-Cal and Stanford

Probably 8 schools a side east division and west division and make it the last super conference (it'll still have better revenue than the current ACC deal).

 

[NDohio]

Ross Dellinger talked about conference realignment on the latest College Football Enquirer. There was a lot of good info, but one thing stood out to me. He was talking about the Big Ten and when they brought in USC and UCLA they wanted to bring Washington and Oregon with them. They did a financial impact study and those two programs did nothing for the Big Ten financially. They speculated the next Big Ten expansion will involve ND some how. That ND is the only real financial impact school that is not currently in either the SEC or Big Ten.

Interesting pod…

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yeh this still all sounds like SEC, B1G, ND and who cares? Can't see ND ever being SEC, and can't see ND ever allowing itself to be part of who cares, so this still seems like B1G+ND vs SEC and .... THAAAAAT's ALL FOLKS!!!! (Clemson, FSU, Miami swallowed by SEC assumed.)

The other guys still play but maybe not even for the football championship.

B!G vs SEC --- regular season eliminates half the teams down to a 16 team playoff --- B1G representatives = OSU, MI, PSU, USC, ND, plus three others (ex. WI, IA, UCLA) and the SEC reps GA, AL, OK, TX, Clem, TN, LSU, & two others (ex A&M, ARK).

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

If the SEC already has Florida, and (hypothetically) FSU would they even want Miami?

 

[GATTACA!]

Yeh this still all sounds like SEC, B1G, ND and who cares? Can't see ND ever being SEC, and can't see ND ever allowing itself to be part of who cares, so this still seems like B1G+ND vs SEC and .... THAAAAAT's ALL FOLKS!!!! (Clemson, FSU, Miami swallowed by SEC assumed.)

The other guys still play but maybe not even for the football championship.

B!G vs SEC --- regular season eliminates half the teams down to a 16 team playoff --- B1G representatives = OSU, MI, PSU, USC, ND, plus three others (ex. WI, IA, UCLA) and the SEC reps GA, AL, OK, TX, Clem, TN, LSU, & two others (ex A&M, ARK).

I wonder if when the ACC inevitably folds if the B1G would let us get away with a similar deal? Remain independentish.

 

[Bishop2b5]

If the SEC already has Florida, and (hypothetically) FSU would they even want Miami?

I don't think the SEC ever needs nor wants Miami. I believe He'll would freeze over first.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If the SEC already has Florida, and (hypothetically) FSU would they even want Miami?

I don't even think Florida would allow it. Also, everything I've been reading says that nobody wants FSU. They don't bring anything to a conference.

The Big Ten has been courting UNC for years now. They are going to have to decide whether to join or die on the hill of basketball and their precious basketball rivalries.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't even think Florida would allow it. Also, everything I've been reading says that nobody wants FSU. They don't bring anything to a conference.

The Big Ten has been courting UNC for years now. They are going to have to decide whether to join or die on the hill of basketball and their precious basketball rivalries.

When I lived in the Florida Panhandle there were some rumors that FSU doesn't have very healthy donor base

 

[forkbeard3777]

I'm adamantly opposed to the SEC expanding. We simply don't need to.

I didn't like the Missouri or A&M additions, although I understood them in terms of TV markets.

Texas and OU? Despite everyone saying how difficult it is dealing with UT, sure, I'll take those. They are both two "blue bloods" who also offer strong baseball and basketball programs.

Regarding the ACC programs previously mentioned:

• Florida State was previously extending an offer 30 or something years ago, and they said no. Fuck them. They aren't getting another.
• Miami is an absolute no. Their administration isn't bought-in, ant they offer nothing to the table. They are better suited for the Big Ten (USC and UCLA proves geography is irrelevant).
• Clemson is a no go. They are a good cultural fit, but offer nothing to the table. South Carolina and Georgia would do everything in the power to block them.

I'd honestly be okay with UNC. Strong academics, a decent cultural fit, great basketball, solid baseball, and decent football.

UVA? Hell no. They're best suited for the Big Ten should the ACC implode. Great town, great campus, but its a shell of its former self. No thanks.

Virginia Tech, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, etc...nope. Not enough there to move the needle.

I don't want to expand, but if we do, I'd say we court Notre Dame (not that it would ever happen) and North Carolina and call it a day.

 

[stlnd01]

Agree the SEC doesn’t *need* to expand but Clemson and FSU would bring a lot of eyeballs. I imagine it would be hard to turn down the ability to include EVERY Southern power in one mega conference.

UNC and UVA feel more like Big Ten fits (to me). Most of the rest of the ACC might be SOL. They should be careful what they wish for.

 

[notredomer23]

Notre Dame selected to join Association of American Universities

The University of Notre Dame has been selected for inclusion in the Association of American Universities (AAU), a consortium of the nation’s leadi...

news.nd.edu

This is one of the excuses Big 10 fanboys make for why ND can't join.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Was just about to post that, very much a good thing for the university

 

[MacIrish75]

Wow, so the academic arm of the university joined a conference? Father Sorin has to be rolling over in his grave. What happened to independence?