Stadium Renovations, Uniform Changes

woolybug25 · Jul 12, 2017

Irish#1 said:
So you hate Notre Dame, but not quite enough that you won't take advantage of a prestigious graduate degree? Got it!

The funny thing is that he's only followed the team like 3or 4 years, so he doesn't even have a frame of reference for his outlandish claims of our fall from grace. Ha

greyhammer90 · Jul 12, 2017

Rocket89 said:
Also, here's a quick recap of the renovation:

https://www.18stripes.com/crossroads-is-coming-university-of-notre-dame-400-million-stadium-upgrade/

I feel like a lot of people think a video board, premium seats, and "some academic stuff" are the only things being added. In reality, the scope is pretty amazing. They've basically created a new stadium, especially inside the guts of the stadium, without having to start over from scratch.

Further, all of the field-level seating is going to be removed which means the Band of the Fighting Irish is moving into the stands near the primary north tunnel.

So in addition to total capacity dropping below 80,000, the band will now take up more seats?

NDgradstudent · Jul 12, 2017

Andy in Sactown said:
I admit, I was a bit curious if your attitude was limited to Coach Kelly. I am no longer curious.

I'm against anything that sucks.

NDCrusader said:
Just so you know there newb... As a 50 something whose friends are ALL Irish fans and live in the Chicagoland/Region/Michiana area... not ONE who has done the tour or walked the perimeter agrees with you. They are all very much impressed with the final product and to a man tell me that no pictures online can capture what the project looks like in person.

No offense but wish you would have gotten into Princeton.

You're right, it looks worse in person.

Princeton and ND have a lot in common. Both were good at football...once.

BeauBenken said:
Is this your back-up to complain about in case Notre Dame actually fields a successful football team?

I guess you'll see once that happens.

Irish#1 said:
So you hate Notre Dame, but not quite enough that you won't take advantage of a prestigious graduate degree? Got it!

I certainly don't hate Notre Dame. The current leadership is of doubtful competence. Saying that the problem with the football stadium was that "it is only used 10 times a year" was hilarious. It's a football stadium. Saying that this will help recruiting (as some have) is also hilarious. A recruit is going to want to come here because the psychology department is attached to the football stadium? Lol.

woolybug25 said:
The funny thing is that he's only followed the team like 3or 4 years, so he doesn't even have a frame of reference for his outlandish claims of our fall from grace. Ha

I wasn't around during the Great Depression, either, but I can still learn about how much it sucked.

GowerND11 · Jul 12, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
I'm against anything that sucks.

You're right, it looks worse in person.

Princeton and ND have a lot in common. Both were good at football...once.

I guess you'll see once that happens.

I certainly don't hate Notre Dame. The current leadership is of doubtful competence. Saying that the problem with the football stadium was that "it is only used 10 times a year" was hilarious. It's a football stadium. Saying that this will help recruiting (as some have) is also hilarious. A recruit is going to want to come here because the psychology department is attached to the football stadium? Lol.

I wasn't around during the Great Depression, either, but I can still learn about how much it sucked.

BobbyMac · Jul 12, 2017

greyhammer90 said:
So in addition to total capacity dropping below 80,000, the band will now take up more seats?

Yep

NDgradstudent said:
You're right, it looks worse in person.

Lonely position. Good luck selling it.

NDgradstudent said:
I'm against anything that sucks.

You must hate yourself.

NDgradstudent · Jul 12, 2017

NDCrusader said:
Lonely position. Good luck selling it.

Quite a common position, in fact. Most alums that I know think it is foolish. It's the sort of thing that everyone will look back on in 50 years and wonder why it was done, but will be too expensive to get rid of.

Of course, there are some people who feel the need to "support" the "program" no matter how many stupid decisions are made; I'm not one of those people. (In fairness to BK, this was a Swarkins decision. BK can stick to deciding to throw on 4th and inches).

dad4aa · Jul 12, 2017

NDCrusader said:
Just so you know there newb... As a 50 something whose friends are ALL Irish fans and live in the Chicagoland/Region/Michiana area... not ONE who has done the tour or walked the perimeter agrees with you. They are all very much impressed with the final product and to a man tell me that no pictures online can capture what the project looks like in person.

No offense but wish you would have gotten into Princeton.

Irish#1 said:
So you hate Notre Dame, but not quite enough that you won't take advantage of a prestigious graduate degree? Got it!

Don't believe for a second he is a graduate student at ND. Anyone can create whatever username they want. He is probably washing cars at the hi-speed auto wash down the road.

BobbyMac · Jul 12, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
Quite a common position, in fact. Most alums that I know think it is foolish. It's the sort of thing that everyone will look back on in 50 years and wonder why it was done, but will be too expensive to get rid of.

Of course, there are some people who feel the need to "support" the "program" no matter how many stupid decisions are made; I'm not one of those people. (In fairness to BK, this was a Swarkins decision. BK can stick to deciding to throw on 4th and inches).

The alums you know aren't very influential.

woolybug25 · Jul 12, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
Quite a common position, in fact. Most alums that I know think it is foolish. It's the sort of thing that everyone will look back on in 50 years and wonder why it was done, but will be too expensive to get rid of.

Of course, there are some people who feel the need to "support" the "program" no matter how many stupid decisions are made; I'm not one of those people. (In fairness to BK, this was a Swarkins decision. BK can stick to deciding to throw on 4th and inches).

No it is not. I know as many, if not more, alums than you and this is not the common position.

Irish#1 · Jul 12, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
Quite a common position, in fact. Most alums that I know think it is foolish. It's the sort of thing that everyone will look back on in 50 years and wonder why it was done, but will be too expensive to get rid of.

Of course, there are some people who feel the need to "support" the "program" no matter how many stupid decisions are made; I'm not one of those people. (In fairness to BK, this was a Swarkins decision. BK can stick to deciding to throw on 4th and inches).

No, in 50 years when it's considered a fail, they can change it into individual condos for all of the players. What a great recruiting tool. And no condo association fees!

RDU Irish · Jul 12, 2017

My problem is more with the general "arms race" at all colleges than the stadium renovation itself. The idea that students NEED a rock climbing wall (rather a better one) is fairly offensive to me. Sure the student space sounds like a big improvement -ND has long outgrown LaFun - but could we cut tuition a couple bucks and live without a rock wall? These are the incremental decisions that explode cost - but again, it is a system wide issue - not an ND exclusive.

This is fully funded from football $$s and the lux seating alone will more than pay for it over time. Get those blue hairs in a climate controlled environment in which they can really entertain clients - then watch the dollars roll in. Love it or lump it, securing that cash flow and enhancing the connection to the University is what will fuel ND success in the future.

Tiered pricing, needs tweaking but a long overdue improvement. Open market for tickets, yeah!

Anthropology, Psych and Music taking up the class space is funny to me. Probably the only way to get them new space was to piggyback it to this. Better to me if Marketing was in there or whatever department would work on AV in the stadium. I am sure admin used the backwards logic of those degrees needing the attention to attract students instead of realizing they are dead end degrees you have to be insane to pursue at an $80k/year institution.

NDgradstudent · Jul 12, 2017

NDCrusader said:
The alums you know aren't very influential.

Indeed they are not. And the alums who are influential have done a heck of a job keeping ND football at peak quality.

RDU Irish said:
Anthropology, Psych and Music taking up the class space is funny to me. Probably the only way to get them new space was to piggyback it to this. Better to me if Marketing was in there or whatever department would work on AV in the stadium. I am sure admin used the backwards logic of those degrees needing the attention to attract students instead of realizing they are dead end degrees you have to be insane to pursue at an $80k/year institution.

They did that in order to dip into the endowment to pay for Trump Stadium at Crossroads. (They apparently can't do that for an exclusively athletic facility, so they came up with an academic angle.) The whole thing is sordid.

DIIISpecialist41 · Jul 12, 2017

I bet they end up putting two smaller video boards up in the north side corners. There will be plenty of complaining coming from the fans in the south end that have to turn all the way around.

I will say I always thought having the band on the field was a unique and cool thing ND did but I can absolutely understand player safety and the idea for a visitor tunnel (which is going to be awesome seeing visitors run out single file out of that tiny hallway).

Not an alum but I think the stadium is quite impressive and actually fits pretty well with the rest of campus.

RDU Irish · Jul 12, 2017

The entire campus is next to unrecognizable from just 20 years ago. They are doing just fine with fitting the new stuff and maintaining an ND "look". We really think Stepan Center, Grace/Flanner or JACC are architectural structures to cherish?

"Dipping into the endowment"? Source please? More realistically, they would have never raised the fundraising commitments for music, anthro, psych buildings on their own - which I don't see as a problem anyway but see how university admin types are easily swayed by those noble commitments to never earning more annually than your annual tuition cost in college.

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NDgradstudent · Jul 13, 2017

RDU Irish said:
The entire campus is next to unrecognizable from just 20 years ago. They are doing just fine with fitting the new stuff and maintaining an ND "look". We really think Stepan Center, Grace/Flanner or JACC are architectural structures to cherish?

Most of the new buildings have an ND "look." Crossroads is an exception to this, and in that respect is similar to Stepan, Grace/Flanner, etc. (Remember that they originally were going to build like 8 Grace/Flanners. They were also at one time going to knock down the Main Building and replace it with a square concrete slab.) The JACC looks fine if you cover up the 70s bits, like they did with the renovation to the basketball entrance.

Under Armour Stadium at Crossroads is in the Stepan/Grace/Flanner tradition. The fact that it has fake brick on it to "fit in" with the rest of the campus doesn't matter. You could put fake brick on a skyscraper on campus and it wouldn't fit in. It's way too big. The stadium could have been renovated without "attaching" three buildings to it.

The PR page for the project suggests that there are no objective aesthetic standards, which is interesting for a Catholic university to suggest. People also used to think Hesburgh Library was ugly! Well, I still think it is ugly (except for TD Jesus, of course). It could use a spruce-up around the bottom in particular to remove the 70s aura.

RDU Irish said:
"Dipping into the endowment"? Source please? More realistically, they would have never raised the fundraising commitments for music, anthro, psych buildings on their own - which I don't see as a problem anyway but see how university admin types are easily swayed by those noble commitments to never earning more annually than your annual tuition cost in college.

An ND official told the local club from my hometown that on a visit, and I believe it.

They were able to raise money for the new architecture building and the new social science building. ND's main function is raising money, and they could have raised the money for those buildings too. This was an athletics-driven project that needed a dubious ad-hoc academic justification, which was subsequently produced. "This integrates academics and athletics..." That has to be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard. So football players are going to go to sacred music class and then practice right after? It's such a short walk now! These are not serious arguments. But if ND is shaking the tin it apparently doesn't need to provide a good justification to satisfy many rich people, which is too bad.

Domina Nostra · Jul 13, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
Most of the new buildings have an ND "look." Crossroads is an exception to this, and in that respect is similar to Stepan, Grace/Flanner, etc. (Remember that they originally were going to build like 8 Grace/Flanners. They were also at one time going to knock down the Main Building and replace it with a square concrete slab.) The JACC looks fine if you cover up the 70s bits, like they did with the renovation to the basketball entrance.

Under Armour Stadium at Crossroads is in the Stepan/Grace/Flanner tradition. The fact that it has fake brick on it to "fit in" with the rest of the campus doesn't matter. You could put fake brick on a skyscraper on campus and it wouldn't fit in. It's way too big. The stadium could have been renovated without "attaching" three buildings to it.

The PR page for the project suggests that there are no objective aesthetic standards, which is interesting for a Catholic university to suggest. People also used to think Hesburgh Library was ugly! Well, I still think it is ugly (except for TD Jesus, of course). It could use a spruce-up around the bottom in particular to remove the 70s aura.

An ND official told the local club from my hometown that on a visit, and I believe it.

They were able to raise money for the new architecture building and the new social science building. ND's main function is raising money, and they could have raised the money for those buildings too. This was an athletics-driven project that needed a dubious ad-hoc academic justification, which was subsequently produced. "This integrates academics and athletics..." That has to be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard. So football players are going to go to sacred music class and then practice right after? It's such a short walk now! These are not serious arguments. But if ND is shaking the tin it apparently doesn't need to provide a good justification to satisfy many rich people, which is too bad.

Notre Dame has to try to keep up with the Joneses in football to keep its alumni happy, which is a GIANT part of its identity, but it feels more conflicted about that than most other schools.

The SEC schools simply don't care what it takes. Stanford is using a formula that won't work for ND for all kinds of reasons, and its not like they've won an NC any time lately either.

So ND is trying to create a brand around the idea of the true scholar athlete, and integrating academics and athletics. It's kind of absurd, and Kelly and Jenkins are not--in this man's humble opinions, the visionaries to lead it--but it is what it is.

I'd be interested to see if the new stadium renovation feels out of place. I think it looks good generally, but I admit that its hard to get a sense of scale from photos.

NDTH91 · Jul 13, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
The PR page for the project suggests that there are no objective aesthetic standards, which is interesting for a Catholic university to suggest. People also used to think Hesburgh Library was ugly! Well, I still think it is ugly (except for TD Jesus, of course). It could use a spruce-up around the bottom in particular to remove the 70s aura.

This is the kind of thing that makes people think you either don't go to ND or you're doing a superb job of trolling us.

Let me introduce you to the Hesburgh Library "spruce up" project that has been going on for the past few years: Hesburgh Library Renovation

BobbyMac · Jul 13, 2017

Someone please tell me that Johnny come lately isn't getting his PhD in architecture.

Stadium's similar to Grace/Flanner he says. I guess the Ocean Club is similar to Long John Silver's then.

What's his complain to compliment ratio? 1000:1?

NDgradstudent · Jul 13, 2017

Domina Nostra said:
I'd be interested to see if the new stadium renovation feels out of place. I think it looks good generally, but I admit that its hard to get a sense of scale from photos.

I walk around it every day. It is ostentatious and clearly out of proportion.

NDTH91 said:
This is the kind of thing that makes people think you either don't go to ND or you're doing a superb job of trolling us.

Let me introduce you to the Hesburgh Library "spruce up" project that has been going on for the past few years: Hesburgh Library Renovation

I know about that. I heard the drilling every day for a year. I'm talking about the outside.

NDCrusader said:
Someone please tell me that Johnny come lately isn't getting his PhD in architecture.

Stadium's similar to Grace/Flanner he says. I guess the Ocean Club is similar to Long John Silver's then.

What's his complain to compliment ratio? 1000:1?

What was our win to loss ratio last year? What is our win to loss ratio vs. the top 25 lately?

Would you like to explain what you think is aesthetically appealing about the project?

ACamp1900 · Jul 13, 2017

I find that more and more of my IE experience is gazing in wonder at what people seem to get excited or upset about. I mean, I used to assume we all have lives with real drama and concerns, apparently not.

NDgradstudent · Jul 13, 2017

ACamp1900 said:
I find that more and more of my IE experience is gazing in wonder at what people seem to get excited or upset about. I mean, I used to assume we all have lives with real drama and concerns, apparently not.

This is an internet forum where we discuss how well 19-year olds throw, catch, and kick balls.

woolybug25 · Jul 13, 2017

ACamp1900 said:
I find that more and more of my IE experience is gazing in wonder at what people seem to get excited or upset about. I mean, I used to assume we all have lives with real drama and concerns, apparently not.

I got 99 problems and Rack Em's mom is all of em.

ACamp1900 · Jul 13, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
This is an internet forum where we discuss how well 19-year olds throw, catch, and kick balls.

Indeed. As well as any number of other topics that none of us have any real control over. Why let it impact you?

ab2cmiller · Jul 13, 2017

NDgradstudent said:
This is an internet forum where we discuss how well 19-year olds throw, catch, and kick balls.

Not true, it's mostly about how well 17 year olds throw, catch and kick balls.

zelezo vlk · Jul 13, 2017

ACamp1900 said:
I find that more and more of my IE experience is gazing in wonder at what people seem to get excited or upset about. I mean, I used to assume we all have lives with real drama and concerns, apparently not.

Drama gets in the way of memes and beer. Hard pass

ACamp1900 · Jul 13, 2017

zelezo vlk said:
Drama gets in the way of memes and beer. Hard pass

Now THIS is stuff worth getting riled up about...

BobbyMac · Jul 14, 2017

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NDbrbkny · Jul 18, 2017

I wonder will we Jazz up our Tunnel now since it's only ours now

IrishLion · Jul 18, 2017

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