Spring Practice Thread 2018

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quinn says he loves Liam Eichenberg's length and strength. Mentions he recognizes things quickly and how reacts to blitzes. Also says he has been steady throughout the spring so far. "He's locked in."</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/986970456581386240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quinn on being the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> offensive line coach: "Every morning I thank the dear Lord for that opportunity."</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/986971533208883200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quinn says he feels they have more than 5 guys who are ready to play. Mentions Trevor Ruhland, Josh Lugg, Aaron Banks and Dillan Gibbons as some of those guys.</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/986972299399172096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quinn on being the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> offensive line coach: "Every morning I thank the dear Lord for that opportunity."</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/986971533208883200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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god that sounds so cheesy
 

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What is the ACC call? And was it other coaches talking with him?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly asked about wide outs on the ACC Coaches call today. Lists the usual suspects, starting with Miles Boykin, but, "We’ll look for guys who come in as true freshmen who can contribute as well."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/987010705428709376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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What is the ACC call? And was it other coaches talking with him?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly asked about wide outs on the ACC Coaches call today. Lists the usual suspects, starting with Miles Boykin, but, "We’ll look for guys who come in as true freshmen who can contribute as well."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/987010705428709376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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conference call with just BK and ACC reporters i bet.
 

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Curious what sort of level we can expect with Eichenberg. Certainly will be a step back, but I'm excited for it
 

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Snoopdog the Prognosticator says..........

If Brandon Wimbush is a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team All American this upcoming season, The Irish are in the playoffs.
 

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Snoopdog the Prognosticator says..........

If Brandon Wimbush is a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team All American this upcoming season, The Irish are in the playoffs.

I still think that's his ceiling and if he can match the expectations many had for him coming out of HS, we could go a long ways.
 

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"1st, 2nd, 3rd team AA"? Boy, I wish.

I'm going to be happy if he's stable enough out there to keep his job. That will mean that he's not losing games, and the rest of our O&D studs can win them.

If he's ANY of those AA levels, I'll be euphoric and standing in applause and thanks to him. Such expectations are happy thoughts which seem the stuff of unreality just at this moment (and I'm usually the Optimist around here.)
 

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Let me be clear, I don't think he's going to do that. But, he's certainly capable of doing so. Just like I don't think we have any 1st rd. OL, as of today. But we have guys that have the potential to do so.
 

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If he's ANY of those AA levels, I'll be euphoric and standing in applause and thanks to him. Such expectations are happy thoughts which seem the stuff of unreality just at this moment (and I'm usually the Optimist around here.)

He already has an AA level running game just needs to complete a lot more passes. Easy...
 

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Let me be clear, I don't think he's going to do that. But, he's certainly capable of doing so. Just like I don't think we have any 1st rd. OL, as of today. But we have guys that have the potential to do so.

Crystal.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quinn says he feels they have more than 5 guys who are ready to play. Mentions Trevor Ruhland, Josh Lugg, Aaron Banks and Dillan Gibbons as some of those guys.</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/986972299399172096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He named every scholarship lineman, LOL.
 

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He named every scholarship lineman, LOL.

I prefer Quinn’s overpraise to Hiestand’s penchant for picking favorites and never letting certain guys out of his doghouse. I think most would agree our highest upside line this year consists of Eichenberg -> Bars -> Mustipher -> Kraemer -> Hainsey. There’s a good chance that that lineup never comes to fruition if HH were here due to his seeming disdain for Liam. That being said, if HH were here, there’s a good chance we have NPF on the roster so I guess you take the good with the bad.
 

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I prefer Quinn’s overpraise to Hiestand’s penchant for picking favorites and never letting certain guys out of his doghouse. I think most would agree our highest upside line this year consists of Eichenberg -> Bars -> Mustipher -> Kraemer -> Hainsey. There’s a good chance that that lineup never comes to fruition if HH were here due to his seeming disdain for Liam. That being said, if HH were here, there’s a good chance we have NPF on the roster so I guess you take the good with the bad.

This is absolute bullshit.
 

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This is absolute bullshit.

Within the last week Prister reported that Liam did not take well to HH’s coaching and that Liam feels far more comfortable with Quinn. The II guys also mentioned that HH and Quinn have far different coaching styles and Quinn is overall more positive and encouraging with his players. The II guys have also said for years that HH has favorites and that it was not fun playing for HH if you were in his doghouse. Soooo yeah whatever dude.
 

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I prefer Quinn’s overpraise to Hiestand’s penchant for picking favorites and never letting certain guys out of his doghouse. I think most would agree our highest upside line this year consists of Eichenberg -> Bars -> Mustipher -> Kraemer -> Hainsey. There’s a good chance that that lineup never comes to fruition if HH were here due to his seeming disdain for Liam. That being said, if HH were here, there’s a good chance we have NPF on the roster so I guess you take the good with the bad.

This is absolute bullshit.

I actually kind of agree with LLAD. I think our recent OL coaches all get over- or under-rated depending on the performance of the year before.

We loved Warinner, then he got kind of mediocre results, and we thought he was mediocre. Then he gets hired by Urban at OSU and gets good results on the field and in the draft and we assume that it was Kelly's problem, sprinkled with Warinner wanting the OC title.

Then we get HH, who the Tenn fans wanted to burn at the stake. We thought he sucked, and then he had some good results--not so much in a dominant run game every year, but with the draft status and performance of Zach Martin and Ronnie Stanley. Then the reputation grew. 2015 started slow, but the finished strong. 2016 was under-performing, but was rightfully blamed on the defense. 2017 was great, on the backs of two more supreme talents.

But during HH's time I always thought, why would you commit here if you were a OG or a 3-star? Either they are going to slide some OT prospect inside over you, or you are going to get passed over for next year's 5-star, who will be plugged in as a red-shirt freshman. If you are an OG, or a 3-star, you better start learning to snap the football, because that its Center or nothing. The reports seem to confirm that the players felt the same way.

Long story short. HH was a tier 1 college coach, who got to coach great talent, and got it unquestionably ready for the NFL. The emphasis on technique fundamentals was send to none, and his emphasis on the unit seeing themselves as a brotherhood was also key. When the offense was structured around the run game, that part of his coaching prowess really became obvious too. However, HH also seemed to be a slightly hesitant recruiter who seemed to have limited time for his developmental guys who didn't immediately show NFL potential. No one is perfect, and coaches never excel at everything!

Quinn is clearly more of a people person. The recruiting and issues with kids getting left behind will improve under him, I have no doubt. I also think he is going to be a great coach. Will he be as effective preparing kids for the NFL. That remains to be seen. I tend to doubt it, but the talent will be there for high draft picks anyway.
 
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This is absolute bullshit.

He’s actually probably right. There are a lot of misconceptions about HH’s coaching style. People think he was just “hard nosed”, but there is significantly more to it than that. I wasn’t entirely surprised when he left and glad he ended up on the Bears. But I would also say some of the stuff he did with our guys he’s simply couldn’t get away with coaching NFL players.
 

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Within the last week Prister reported that Liam did not take well to HH’s coaching and that Liam feels far more comfortable with Quinn. The II guys also mentioned that HH and Quinn have far different coaching styles and Quinn is overall more positive and encouraging with his players. The II guys have also said for years that HH has favorites and that it was not fun playing for HH if you were in his doghouse. Soooo yeah whatever dude.

So to be certain I understand: You know LIam was in HH's doghouse? And you know that's why he wasn't playing last year? And you believe HH would've chosen someone over Liam just to prove he could? Of course, we always hear the bad from people after a great coach leaves but HH was incredible and always put out a quality OL. If you don't believe me, go look at our OL stats/draftpicks before he arrived.

He recruited the best, he produced the best.

How did HH pick favorites? I'm guessing it's based on how well players, you know, play.

It's just bullsh!t to railroad a good coach once he goes on to the NFL.

But go on and talk about how HH would've put out a poor OL as long as he got to pick his favorites.
 

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If it were up to me, HH would still be coaching OL at ND. However, it is pretty well known that HH does have a very old school/unique style of coaching. And it worked with some and wore on others. In fact, the first reports from ND sites were that Quinn will be a good change for the room. It's doesn't mean HH is a bad coach or would've had he stayed. But sometimes change is healthy, as maybe the guys left in that room will work better with a different type of motivation. Love HH and hope he has a lot of success in Chicago.
 

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Yes. And we should all be happy to note that we had the top rated OLine in college football last season, and that this must say something about whether St. Harry was/is a great coach. So he was a roughas* --- as long as he was clear about what he wanted, and honest about "grading" you when you gave it, my brothers would have loved that.

IE needs to critique, yes --- it also needs to praise a bit more.
 

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Yes. And we should all be happy to note that we had the top rated OLine in college football last season, and that this must say something about whether St. Harry was/is a great coach. So he was a roughas* --- as long as he was clear about what he wanted, and honest about "grading" you when you gave it, my brothers would have loved that.

IE needs to critique, yes --- it also needs to praise a bit more.

I wish he was still here too and he was a monster of a coach.

But to say he was a “roughas*” is putting it lightly. That’s all I’m saying.
 

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He recruited the best, he produced the best.

Right, but isn't there an argument that some coaches are great developers and some are great with high end talent. He seems like he was clearly the latter. At Alabama, if a DE isn't great out of the gate, they just move on to the next 5-star. HH seemed to have a bit of that in him.

As for recruiting, he certainly identified who he liked (often the highest ranked kids) and ended up getting a pretty good number of them, which was great.

But no one ever claimed he was hustling in that regard. Most years he had to reluctantly get in late when things didn't work out. When it didn't work, he ended up with a couple of really mediocre and/or small classes. (2015, 2016, 2017).

How did HH pick favorites? I'm guessing it's based on how well players, you know, play.

This is basically a truism and could be said for any coach at any time. But the Lombard, Elmer experiment certainly didn't seem like that way. And when they finally rotated last year it worked well.

It's just bullsh!t to railroad a good coach once he goes on to the NFL.

I don't want to RR him, but I think Quinn will be better in some aspects. He'll also be worse in others--I'd rather have HH than Quinn too.

And again, HH left after by far his best line, with a once in a generation player on it. Without the praise of the NFL coaches regarding the NFL-readiness of the players (especially Martin and Stanley), no one who watched ND football in 2013-2016 would have thought we definitively had the best offensive line coach in the country. That is not all HH's fault by any stretch, but it was not all 2017 dominance (even at the end of 2017!).
 
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So to be certain I understand: You know LIam was in HH's doghouse? And you know that's why he wasn't playing last year? And you believe HH would've chosen someone over Liam just to prove he could? Of course, we always hear the bad from people after a great coach leaves but HH was incredible and always put out a quality OL. If you don't believe me, go look at our OL stats/draftpicks before he arrived.

He recruited the best, he produced the best.

How did HH pick favorites? I'm guessing it's based on how well players, you know, play.

It's just bullsh!t to railroad a good coach once he goes on to the NFL.

But go on and talk about how HH would've put out a poor OL as long as he got to pick his favorites.


You suggest that HH didn’t play Liam last year because he was playing poorly. You ignore the fact that maybe he was playing poorly because he didn’t respond well to HH’s coaching. If you subscribed to II, you’d know that Liam’s confidence was shot last year and Prister has all but said it was HH that did the shooting.

The bottom line is HH’s coaching style tended to produce winners and losers amongst the individual linemen, while overall producing solid to great lines. The jury is still out on Quinn but I for one am very happy to hear that Liam has responded well to his coaching. Liam seems like a great kid and has a ton of potential and I was confused and disappointed when he couldn’t crack the rotation last year. If he can elevate his play this year, ND won’t have to worry about replacing it’s LT for another 3 years.
 

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Liam played last year. He played in a number of games.

But he wasn't going to play over McG at LT until mop up.
 

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He’s actually probably right. There are a lot of misconceptions about HH’s coaching style. People think he was just “hard nosed”, but there is significantly more to it than that. I wasn’t entirely surprised when he left and glad he ended up on the Bears. But I would also say some of the stuff he did with our guys he’s simply couldn’t get away with coaching NFL players.

I wish he was still here too and he was a monster of a coach.

But to say he was a “roughas*” is putting it lightly. That’s all I’m saying.

Wooly is a thousand percent correct and then some.
 
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