Spring Practice Thread 2012

[BleedBlueGold]

Ok, I'm not a big fan of TR, but he is a member of the team I support and I will support him.
Look at it this way though. CBK is "SIMPLIFYING" the play book to stop the turnovers correct? Everyone is upset with TR because of his turnovers. Makes sense to think CBK is reteaching TR to take a 0 play down instead of a turnover.
IF CBK teaches TR to stop, or even cut down by half, his turnovers would you support him as well?

Turnovers killed this team last year (along w/ the redzone offense being ineffective). If those two things get corrected, I couldn't care less who starts at QB.

Limit TOs, score points in the redzone, actually have a return game on ST, and pray our secondary plays well....and this team will be fine.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Ok, I'm not a big fan of TR, but he is a member of the team I support and I will support him.
Look at it this way though. CBK is "SIMPLIFYING" the play book to stop the turnovers correct? Everyone is upset with TR because of his turnovers. Makes sense to think CBK is reteaching TR to take a 0 play down instead of a turnover.
IF CBK teaches TR to stop, or even cut down by half, his turnovers would you support him as well?

I would support TOTR if he would do the following:

1. Remove the TO from his nickname.
2. Not stare down the primary receiver when guys like Jones are streaking wide open. Or, simply put, see the entire field.
3. Throw the swing pass forward.
4. Move the pocket with his feet while keeping his eyes downfield.
5. Throw the long ball as good as Quinn, who was average throwing long.
6. Keep it every so often on the read option.
7. Stops letting the D bait him into switching plays.
8. My list is getting too long, so I will stop for the sake of time.

 

[Emcee77]

Personally, the thing that worries me isn't that Kelly is in love with Rees as many are claiming, it's that neither of the other 2 QBs can unseat him. Those guys HAVE to step up, and they aren't. Everyone wants to blame Kelly, but sh!t, the blame in my eyes lies at the feet of Golson and Hendrix. They need to grab the bull by the horns ASAP.

+1,000,000. If Golson and Hendrix are as erratic as it sounds like they are, I don't want them starting. The starter needs to be able to execute the offense consistently. If, come September, Tommy is the only guy who can do that, well, that will be disappointing, but he should still start while the younger guys continue to develop. But it is early. I'm still hopeful that Golson or Hendrix will come around by the time fall camp ends.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Why in the world would you start Kiel if he's 4th best right now??? Kiel is swimming right now with all the information he has to process, and he's way behind the others as far as knowing the offense.

If you're dead-set against against Rees, then you go with Hendrix, who according to some inside the program has been making strides and is ahead of Golson. Plus he has game experience.

But to go with Kiel right now, when he is clearly 4th, would be a killer blow to the program b/c the 2 other athletic QBs would probably be outta here in a New York minute.

Personally, the thing that worries me isn't that Kelly is in love with Rees as many are claiming, it's that neither of the other 2 QBs can unseat him. Those guys HAVE to step up, and they aren't. Everyone wants to blame Kelly, but sh!t, the blame in my eyes lies at the feet of Golson and Hendrix. They need to grab the bull by the horns ASAP.

As for worrying, I personally am not even sweating it at all, b/c the season is a long ways away and the young kids have time to develop, learn the offense and beat out Rees (as most of us want). I also want to see the Spring Game to see how they've developed before I start freaking out over 20 minute practice shots that the media gets to see...

I find it hard sometimes to hit the "rep" button for mods..... j/k
But damn brother this^^^^^^ is spot on.... great stuff....i don't even have to comment because you've stolen my exact thoughts....

 

[Praytorian]

I would support TOTR if he would do the following:

1. Remove the TO from his nickname.
2. Not stare down the primary receiver when guys like Jones are streaking wide open. Or, simply put, see the entire field.
3. Throw the swing pass forward.
4. Move the pocket with his feet while keeping his eyes downfield.
5. Throw the long ball as good as Quinn, who was average throwing long.
6. Keep it every so often on the read option.
7. Stops letting the D bait him into switching plays.
8. My list is getting too long, so I will stop for the sake of time.

1. Hopefully thats what spring ball is doing.
2. MF is gone so hopefully he is going to have to learn to spread it out.
3. TOTALLY AGREE.
4. Work in progress for all qb's.
5. So far so good in the small tidbits from spring practice.
6. Heard about a few big runs from him as well.
7. He needs to learn from Payton in this reguard. Heck he doesnt even have to change the call, just get them thinking.
8.

 

[woolybug25]

Why in the world would you start Kiel if he's 4th best right now??? Kiel is swimming right now with all the information he has to process, and he's way behind the others as far as knowing the offense.

If you're dead-set against against Rees, then you go with Hendrix, who according to some inside the program has been making strides and is ahead of Golson. Plus he has game experience.

But to go with Kiel right now, when he is clearly 4th, would be a killer blow to the program b/c the 2 other athletic QBs would probably be outta here in a New York minute.

Personally, the thing that worries me isn't that Kelly is in love with Rees as many are claiming, it's that neither of the other 2 QBs can unseat him. Those guys HAVE to step up, and they aren't. Everyone wants to blame Kelly, but sh!t, the blame in my eyes lies at the feet of Golson and Hendrix. They need to grab the bull by the horns ASAP.

As for worrying, I personally am not even sweating it at all, b/c the season is a long ways away and the young kids have time to develop, learn the offense and beat out Rees (as most of us want). I also want to see the Spring Game to see how they've developed before I start freaking out over 20 minute practice shots that the media gets to see...

I don't agree. If Kiel is going to win more games than the other three, waiting is silly. I want to win, and as I said before, the ND coach is always on the hot seat. So if Kiel comes out of camp as the QB that gives us the best chance to win, then I really don't care if other QB's transfer. Everyone will be working on a dumb-downed playbook. If guys that have been in the system can't beat out a freshman with their actual play, then let's put the best talent on the field. By dumbing down this offense, no QB on our roster should be swimming come fall.

Play the best player period. That's why you recruit a QB every year.

 

[Emcee77]

I don't agree. If Kiel is going to win more games than the other three, waiting is silly. I want to win, and as I said before, the ND coach is always on the hot seat. So if Kiel comes out of camp as the QB that gives us the best chance to win, then I really don't care if other QB's transfer. Everyone will be working on a dumb-downed playbook. If guys that have been in the system can't beat out a freshman with their actual play, then let's put the best talent on the field. By dumbing down this offense, no QB on our roster should be swimming come fall.

Play the best player period. That's why you recruit a QB every year.

True, but I think this is what NDinL.A. was saying too. His point was that Kiel should not start unless he is truly the best QB, as opposed to starting based on his potential. If you start him based on potential, then you essentially force Golson and Hendrix to transfer, because they know they will never start no matter how good they are.

 

[RuntheBall]

One thing I dont want to see is something like this:
2012- Hendrix
2013- Golson
2014- Kiel

Or really any major split of time. We need A guy. I don't want to see this big struggle for the QB spot every offseason.

Edit: Just to be clear, I have nothing against these guys (or TR), but I kind of just want to see one guy be THE guy.

 

[woolybug25]

True, but I think this is what NDinL.A. was saying too. His point was that Kiel should not start unless he is truly the best QB, as opposed to starting based on his potential. If you start him based on potential, then you essentially force Golson and Hendrix to transfer, because they know they will never start no matter how well they do.

I really don't think both would transfer, but that's neither here nor there. I also agree with Hollywood that Kiel shouldn't be appointed right now, but neither should any of the other guys if they have not shown that they are a clear #1. By fall, every QB on this roster will know the offense (dumb downed, mind), so play the guy that gives us the best chance to win.

With a dumb downed playbook and reduced responsibilities, there is no reason that a reasonable person couldn't believe that that player could end up being Kiel.

Furthermore, I believe most of us subscribe to the "Take 1 QB a Year" club. This is why we believe that, because if Golson or Hendrix don't want to take advantage of their opportunity, then a young blue chip can come in and steal their spot. A dumb-downed playbook and removal of checks allows a coach to throw in the most talented guy, not just the most prepared.

 

[Zbi]

I personally dislike a two quarterback system. It seems to have more cons than it does pros. Tommy Rees is not the quality of starting QB that should be starting for ND. ND needs an athletic QB, that has a big arm to stretch the field. Tommy does not have either other those things. Tommy Rees is not the guy to run BK's offense like he wants to run it.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

+1,000,000. If Golson and Hendrix are as erratic as it sounds like they are, I don't want them starting. The starter needs to be able to execute the offense consistently. If, come September, Tommy is the only guy who can do that, well, that will be disappointing, but he should still start while the younger guys continue to develop. But it is early. I'm still hopeful that Golson or Hendrix will come around by the time fall camp ends.

I totally agree, now it may be that the other two, possibly the nature of the situation, have not gotten the necessary reps. I love how Kelly "dummy downed" the playbook. For whatever reason there was a disconnect with what needed to be done to run it correctly. I also believe that Chuck Martin's influence may turn out to be very positive. With him we have 2 guys that are both proven head coaches who've won a lot of games and connected with players on this level. Between the two of them I am confident that whatever was missing from the equation will be fixed.

I don't want to place blame solely on Molnar, but you've got to wonder if he was sending mixed messages to the QB's that were contradicting Kelly's message. I don't think he was intentionally sabotaging our team, but sometimes these things happen when there are two alpha dogs in 1 pack.

 

[OCIrish]

If Tommy's starting next year, it's probably going to be a long season, who knows though. He may finally get some things figured out between now and September. I'm not going to hold my breath, but the sad part is, and LA is right: if the other two are nowhere near Rees, that's on them. It's time for them to step up and prove the belong in the race for starting QB at ND. Kiel is in no way shape or form going to be playing this coming season, if he is, then there's been a serious rash of injuries to the 3 QB's ahead of him. Hendrix and Golson are by far more athletic than Rees, but if they can't grasp the offense, then their really no better than Tommy then.

 

[Patulski]

Tommy Rees is not the guy to run BK's offense like he wants to run it.

Except for the fact that BK has started Rees 16 times, and played him in 4 other games in two years.

 

[luckyfc]

Tommy = rex grossman

 

[Me2SouthBend]

From ISD

BK Notebook

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

Tommy = rex grossman

Rex has a deep ball.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Rex has a deep ball.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

what did she say about Tommy?

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't agree. If Kiel is going to win more games than the other three, waiting is silly. I want to win, and as I said before, the ND coach is always on the hot seat. So if Kiel comes out of camp as the QB that gives us the best chance to win, then I really don't care if other QB's transfer. Everyone will be working on a dumb-downed playbook. If guys that have been in the system can't beat out a freshman with their actual play, then let's put the best talent on the field. By dumbing down this offense, no QB on our roster should be swimming come fall.

Play the best player period. That's why you recruit a QB every year.

You didn't read my post very carefully. Either that or you didn't get it at all.

My whole point is that if Kiel is running 4th on the depth chart (which by all accounts, he is), then you don't start him ahead of the others just b/c you think he has more upside. He doesn't give you the best chance to win right now if he's under water with all the info he has to process, which is what they are saying is happening.

You said what I said...play the best. It's a sad indictment on the other 2 QBs that Rees is ahead of them still (or a great sign for Rees, who for all his faults, competes his *** of every damn day. I can go to battle with a kid like that. He just needs to get a whole lot better than he was last year. It's not impossible)...

 

[woolybug25]

You didn't read my post very carefully. Either that or you didn't get it at all.

My whole point is that if Kiel is running 4th on the depth chart (which by all accounts, he is), then you don't start him ahead of the others just b/c you think he has more upside. He doesn't give you the best chance to win right now if he's under water with all the info he has to process, which is what they are saying is happening.

You said what I said...play the best. It's a sad indictment on the other 2 QBs that Rees is ahead of them still (or a great sign for Rees, who for all his faults, competes his *** of every damn day. I can go to battle with a kid like that. He just needs to get a whole lot better than he was last year. It's not impossible)...

Yeah, I read it as that because he is not #1 on the depth chart halfway through spring, that he should be automatically out. Sounds like we agree that if fall comes and Kiel gives us the best chance to win, we roll with him. That situation would have a lot to do with Golson/Hendrix as much as it would be a credit to Kiel. There is no reason that a starter with Rees's experience, a guy that has been in the system for his third spring and a guy that was hand picked for this offense shouldn't be able to hold off a freshman. Regardless of him being a blue chip.

My biggest disappointment this spring (I know, I know, it's early) is that Golson hasn't separated himself. I was rowing the "Golson to start" boat all winter, and somehow it seems that he isn't taking the reigns.

Thanks for the honesty on Rees. I think the Rees hate has almost became cliche. For all intensive purposes, he hasn't looked bad in spring. He also, as you said, works his effin' *** off. This is the year that most QB's begin their college career, and Rees has a ton of experience where other QB's at his stage are just starting their road. I still hope someone beats him out, but I will never forget when Tommy led us to a win against USC. He has had his downs, he has had his highs. Regardless if he ever plays another down, I feel like people should give this kid a little more respect. He has served our Mother' University with more fire than I thought he was even capable of.

 

[irishff1014]

Not trying to get into yalls agruement but if at the start of the season tommy is our best choice to start then with all do respect to golston and andrew you better transfer because gunner is going to take your spot and you will never play at ND.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Not trying to get into yalls agruement but if at the start of the season tommy is our best choice to start then with all do respect to golston and andrew you better transfer because gunner is going to take your spot and you will never play at ND.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[woolybug25]

Not trying to get into yalls agruement but if at the start of the season tommy is our best choice to start then with all do respect to golston and andrew you better transfer because gunner is going to take your spot and you will never play at ND.

Damn straight.

Let the best player play.

 

[ShakeDown]

You didn't read my post very carefully. Either that or you didn't get it at all.

My whole point is that if Kiel is running 4th on the depth chart (which by all accounts, he is), then you don't start him ahead of the others just b/c you think he has more upside. He doesn't give you the best chance to win right now if he's under water with all the info he has to process, which is what they are saying is happening.

You said what I said...play the best. It's a sad indictment on the other 2 QBs that Rees is ahead of them still (or a great sign for Rees, who for all his faults, competes his *** of every damn day. I can go to battle with a kid like that. He just needs to get a whole lot better than he was last year. It's not impossible)...

First off I hesitate to get into these types of discussions usually, but I think ya'll hit on an interesting point. Let the best man play. But what defines "best?" Is it throwing the ball? Running the spread? Minimizing errors? Control of the offense? Command of the playbook? I think we would all agree "best" is the individual that can show us the Ws, but there are more than one way to skin that cat.

The issue we have is that we have several different qbs that bring to the table different qualities and skill sets. What a rough spot to be in as a coach! It seems to me that it would be really difficulty to choose the best player for the job when Tommy has the greatest mastery of the playbook, reads, LOS calls etc... yet also displays the lowest "ceiling" of the 4 (allegedly). Coach obviously can't start a QB that cannot run the offense semi-efficiently at college speed, but can he afford to give Tommy any more minutes, and by doing so effectively retard the growth and developments for the others?

To me is seems we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Ideally one of two things will happen (I honestly don't care much which): 1) Tommy will progress and win by virtue of his experience, knowledge and work ethic OR 2) one of the up-and-comers will step up big time and show Coach something that will inspire Kelly to invest in him the future of our offense.

Either way all I want is a solid TD:INT ratio and a 65% redzone TD percentage, I don't care if it's Tommy or Heistand under center. Moral of the story is that I do not envy Kelly the decision, and thank God I have confidence in him and his staff to make the best choice for the program.

 

[Buster Bluth]

So much reading, so little news.

 

[woolybug25]

So much reading, so little news.

I know remedial reading isn't a pre-req for OSU, but dang....


I kid.

 

[BeauBenken]

So much reading, so little news.

I agree. Everyone on here seems excellent at typing novels. haha

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

You Fuc**ng kids don't want to put work in anymore. You want the prize, go earn it!!! If it takes an extra 15 seconds of reading, do it.

 

[ShakeDown]

I agree. Everyone on here seems excellent at typing novels. haha

Off season bruh... we're just bored hah.