Shooting at Mohammed "art" contest

[Irishnuke]

Somebody thought this contest was a good idea.

Two shot and killed at 'Muhammad Art, Cartoon Contest' - CNN.com

 

[NDPhilly]

I'm all for freedom of speech and expression but this is seriously dumb as fuck.

 

[RyCo1983]

What kind of idiot organizes an event like that?

 

[phgreek]

What kind of idiot organizes an event like that?

Andres Serrano?

Edit: Sorry he only does Christian "art"...

 

[kmoose]

What kind of idiot organizes an event like that?

Andres Serrano?

Edit: Sorry he only does Christian "art"...

Pedro Serrano...

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[Bogtrotter07]

I agree with the sentiments thus far posted in this thread!



Looks like everybody got what they wanted.

 

[phgreek]

Pedro Serrano...

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Great story...that man would later go on to become President...

 

[ulukinatme]

Sounds like everyone at the event is okay, the guard that was shot was treated and released, so that's good. Two less Islamic extremists in our country, and that's very good. Still, leave it to Texas to invite a terrorist attack like this. Actually...maybe they're onto something here.

 

[IrishLax]

Sounds like everyone at the event is okay, the guard that was shot was treated and released, so that's good. Two less Islamic extremists in our country, and that's very good. Still, leave it to Texas to invite a terrorist attack like this. Actually...maybe they're onto something here.

Could use these events like extremist mousetraps?

 

[GoIrish41]

Sounds like everyone at the event is okay, the guard that was shot was treated and released, so that's good. Two less Islamic extremists in our country, and that's very good. Still, leave it to Texas to invite a terrorist attack like this. Actually...maybe they're onto something here.

Among the extremeists in this situation are the morons who put on this event. Their actions were designed to trigger a response. They got one. I hope they are proud of themselves. Glad to hear everyone is OK, but lets not place the blame on the "Islamic extremists" when the event organizers were antagonizing them to prove some arcane point about free speech. Freedoms come with responsibilities.

 

[ulukinatme]

Could use these events like extremist mousetraps?

I was kind of kidding, probably should have put that in italics. Then again, they obviously had an idea that extremists may show up at the event, it looks like they had some serious protection provided for the event. Fortunately no one at the event was seriously injured, but that's the kicker. If you did use an event like this to ferret out extremists you're not always guaranteed to come away with no causalities for those in attendance. It's a gamble. Maybe the event was really an elaborate mousetrap? Tinfoil hats, and all that.

 

[IrishLion]

I don't know where I stand on this.

Yes, what a stupid idea.

But I also don't know about not "putting the blame on Islamic extremists," either. So because they were "provoked," they showed up to kill people. But it's still the fault of the event organizers?

I don't know.

 

[ryno 24]

Yea, I mean people do inappropriate paintings of important Christian figures all the time and people do not expect shootings at events. This is 100% on the terrorists who shot people and did this. While it was offensive there are many people who are offensive and people should not be sensitive to go shooting others.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Yea, I mean people do inappropriate paintings of important Christian figures all the time and people do not expect shootings at events. This is 100% on the terrorists who shot people and did this. While it was offensive there are many people who are offensive and people should not be sensitive to go shooting others.

No, we just arrest them and give them probation.

Teen Who Desecrated Jesus Statue Gets Probation, Community Service and Is Banned From Using Social Media

 

[ulukinatme]

Among the extremeists in this situation are the morons who put on this event. Their actions were designed to trigger a response. They got one. I hope they are proud of themselves. Glad to hear everyone is OK, but lets not place the blame on the "Islamic extremists" when the event organizers were antagonizing them to prove some arcane point about free speech. Freedoms come with responsibilities.

If someone from the event was seriously injured I'd feel the same way, but fortunately it worked out well. If they try something like this in the future it may not go well, so I wouldn't advocate trying a bunch of future events, but I am glad this particular event didn't end in a nasty way for those in attendance. Actually, I am proud of these people. If the intent of this event was to show free speech and there wasn't a hidden agenda, then they were brave in sticking to their guns and going through with the event despite the threat of a possible retaliation. We shouldn't cower to terrorists and give in to their demands. Do we really need to have contests like this? Probably not, but we should be able to have them without fearing a retaliation from a crazy religious group. You wouldn't see this from Christians, Jews, or Buddhists. Don't put this on the event organizers, they're not the ones that organized the attack.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Among the extremeists in this situation are the morons who put on this event. Their actions were designed to trigger a response. They got one. I hope they are proud of themselves. Glad to hear everyone is OK, but lets not place the blame on the "Islamic extremists" when the event organizers were antagonizing them to prove some arcane point about free speech. Freedoms come with responsibilities.

There are extremists of all varieties in this country, whether it be religious, racial, sexual, gender, political or any other thing you want to include. But more often than not, it seems that Islamic extremists are consistently using force to voice their opposition. That may be due to selective reporting, but it's the appearance none the less.

Think of it this way, is that cartoon any more offensive than a KKK rally? Do you see the same level of call to violence for those who oppose the KKK message?

We do have responsibilities as freedom loving citizens. Maybe it is just me, but I think the freedom comes with the understanding that you need to be aware others, both in what you say and how you respond to what others say. It goes both ways but all too often, we are told to quell our speech instead of being tolerant of other people's opinions.

 

[IrishLax]

Among the extremeists in this situation are the morons who put on this event. Their actions were designed to trigger a response. They got one. I hope they are proud of themselves. Glad to hear everyone is OK, but lets not place the blame on the "Islamic extremists" when the event organizers were antagonizing them to prove some arcane point about free speech. Freedoms come with responsibilities.

I sort of fundamentally disagree with this line of reasoning. Sub Islam for any other religion and is anyone getting shot? Think people are showing up to shoot people at a Shiva "art show?" Or a Christian one?

I've seen South Park rip on Mormons, Catholics, and Christians in general. I mean REALLY go after them. There was literally a South Park episode where they had a statue of Mary shitting blood in the Pope's face. That's wildly offensive, and on national freaking television... any Catholics go shoot up Comedy Central?

There are ways to deal with being "offended." We've seen effective activism in this society countless times.

I don't give a single fuck how "antagonized" an extremist is... going out to shoot people for offending you is obviously wrong, and it's ridiculous to put blame on the victim. Yes, someone getting shot at for expression is a victim.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

If someone from the event was seriously injured I'd feel the same way, but fortunately it worked out well. If they try something like this in the future it may not go well, so I wouldn't advocate trying a bunch of future events, but I am glad this particular event didn't end in a nasty way for those in attendance. Actually, I am proud of these people. If the intent of this event was to show free speech and there wasn't a hidden agenda, then they were brave in sticking to their guns and going through with the event despite the threat of a possible retaliation. We shouldn't cower to terrorists and give in to their demands. Do we really need to have contests like this? Probably not, but we should be able to have them without fearing a retaliation from a crazy religious group. You wouldn't see this from Christians, Jews, or Buddhists. Don't put this on the event organizers, they're not the ones that organized the attack.

To the people who use our rights to purposely insult ~1 billion people:

 

[nlroma1o]

I sort of fundamentally disagree with this line of reasoning. Sub Islam for any other religion and is anyone getting shot? Think people are showing up to shoot people at a Shiva "art show?" Or a Christian one?

I've seen South Park rip on Mormons, Catholics, and Christians in general. I mean REALLY go after them. There was literally a South Park episode where they had a statue of Mary shitting blood in the Pope's face. That's wildly offensive, and on national freaking television... any Catholics go shoot up Comedy Central?

There are ways to deal with being "offended." We've seen effective activism in this society countless times.

I don't give a single fuck how "antagonized" an extremist is... going out to shoot people for offending you is obviously wrong, and it's ridiculous to put blame on the victim. Yes, someone getting shot at for expression is a victim.

^^^^^
This 100%.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Among the extremeists in this situation are the morons who put on this event. Their actions were designed to trigger a response. They got one. I hope they are proud of themselves. Glad to hear everyone is OK, but lets not place the blame on the "Islamic extremists" when the event organizers were antagonizing them to prove some arcane point about free speech. Freedoms come with responsibilities.

Awful post. I almost can't believe I'm reading this but then I remember the world I live in: a world in which it's no longer the fault of the murderer but the person who incited the murderer to act.

I think the event was foolish but I think piss christ was foolish and the radical feminists who run into churches are foolish. None of them deserve to be shot for being fools.

 

[Redbar]

Awful post. I almost can't believe I'm reading this but then I remember the world I live in: a world in which it's no longer the fault of the murderer but the person who incited the murderer to act.

I think the event was foolish but I think piss christ was foolish and the radical feminists who run into churches are foolish. None of them deserve to be shot for being fools.

Of course no one deserved to be shot, but there are a whole lot of things one could do where they could reasonably expect to get shot. Many of them when trying to prove a point about something quite noble like freedom of speech. Obviously the organizers didn't shoot anybody, but they did act recklessly imo. Reckless enough to where they could/should feel some culpability? I dunno. If I had gone and taken my kid, invited a friend, brought the better half and something happened to them I would personally feel like my recklessness was a contributing factor.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Awful post. I almost can't believe I'm reading this but then I remember the world I live in: a world in which it's no longer the fault of the murderer but the person who incited the murderer to act.

I think the event was foolish but I think piss christ was foolish and the radical feminists who run into churches are foolish. None of them deserve to be shot for being fools.

They don't deserve to be in danger for this. But let's not pretend this "compeition" is any better than what the Westboro Baptists do.

 

[greyhammer90]

Among the extremeists in this situation are the morons who put on this event. Their actions were designed to trigger a response. They got one. I hope they are proud of themselves. Glad to hear everyone is OK, but lets not place the blame on the "Islamic extremists" when the event organizers were antagonizing them to prove some arcane point about free speech. Freedoms come with responsibilities.

If your reaction to being offended is to shoot people, you deserve every bit of blame you can get.

I don't understand the second bolded point. What responsibility are we talking about? The responsibility to be shot by extremist if you want to say something that is deeply offensive to them?

 

[greyhammer90]

They don't deserve to be in danger for this. But let's not pretend this "compeition" is any better than what the Westboro Baptists do.

I don't really see how that's relevant. The original post said we shouldn't blame the extremist. We don't shoot the Westboro cult, and if someone did they should be blamed for apparently being unable to handle living in a free society.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I don't really see how that's relevant. The original post said we shouldn't blame the extremist. We don't shoot the Westboro cult, and if someone did they should be blamed for apparently being unable to handle living in a free society.

What I'm saying is that these people aren't some kind of heroes of free speech. Holding an event with no other purpose than insulting people is pretty scummy.

 

[greyhammer90]

What I'm saying is that these people aren't some kind of heroes of free speech. Holding an event with no other purpose than insulting people is pretty scummy.

No doubt these people are assholes. But again, the original point being argued was the post that said we shouldn't blame the extremist. I'm just saying these people could literally be Hitler, they still shouldn't get blamed for some other asshole not being able to handle having his delicate sensibilities offended without deciding to kill someone.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I couldn't agree less with the reasoning in many posts on this subject.

People, Christians and atheists included, who shoot other people for insulting them have absolutely no place in this country. There is no "he was asking for it" defense to attempted murder. If you want to kill someone for religious reasons, go somewhere else.

Sure the stupid program was needlessly provocative. But that is what peaceful protests are for.

 

[ulukinatme]

Saw this on the Shag, figured those Texas guys would have some good info, saw these:

@DanFosterType: The would-be terrorists in Garland fell for one of the classic blunders: Never assume that you’ve outgunned an art show in Texas.

1. Draw picture of Mohammed
2. Win $10,000
3. Prophet

Also, one of the Shagsters from Garland said the officer that was shot is actually his neighbor. He spoke to him briefly as the guy was getting ready to drive into work. Shot one day, heading back to work the next. That's one tough dude.

Here was the winning drawing by Bosch Fawstin, a former Muslim

Blog: The Muhammad cartoon that won the Draw Muhammad contest

 

[connor_in]

Since U posted that, does that mean we are now fair game for anyone that wants to destroy IE?

 

[ulukinatme]

Since U posted that, does that mean we are now fair game for anyone that wants to destroy IE?

A fatwa has been issued to send nasty chain e-mails to all IE infidels!