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Not possible when you're defending the option.

I just hope they get him lined up on the play side. I think he'll be more of a factor if he's forcing their QB to make decisions rather than trying to clean up from the back side of the play.

Teams use a spy all of the time against the option.

The spread offense with the quarterback in the gun has made the quarterback into a viable running threat. Like past offensive attacks that include the wishbone, single wing, double slot midline option, etc. the defense must know what defensive alignments and coverage can be used to spy or tag the quarterback as a runner without compromising defending the other skill players.

Bob Elliot let me borrow this: How to Defend a Running Spread Option Quarterback: Analyzing Defensive Fronts and Coverages to Stop the Running Quarterback: Bill Renner: 9781514852156: Amazon.com: Books
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson's weekly presser starts in a few minutes. Interested <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> fans can stream here <a href="http://t.co/6ojhVC2L5b">http://t.co/6ojhVC2L5b</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/643446411112091649">September 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I think BVG has Sheldon Day to spy the fullback. Its the smart move.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">File this away in the backhanded compliment section. <a href="https://t.co/F6jzYecb9H">https://t.co/F6jzYecb9H</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/643449656123478016">September 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Paul Johnson on teams complaining about lack of prep time for option offense: “It ain’t that complicated."</p>— David Hale (@DavidHaleESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status/643448863261650944">September 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Paul Johnson on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ND?src=hash">#ND</a>’s Jaylon Smith: “Probably the best linebacker we’ve gone against in a few years."</p>— David Hale (@DavidHaleESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidHaleESPN/status/643448340093341696">September 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">File this away in the backhanded compliment section. <a href="https://t.co/F6jzYecb9H">https://t.co/F6jzYecb9H</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/643449656123478016">September 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Compared us to Clemson. Said he "never thinks it's a big deal" to come play here.

Not really backhanded, imo. Clemson is one of the most difficult places in the country to play per IE.
 

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I'm starting to feel more confident as we get closer. Here's why:

- I think Bob Elliott is a really smart dude. We vexed this smart dude with a year worth of research into how to stop this brand of spread offense. If we don't have an answer, then this staff simply cannot ever efficiently stop it. That is a lot of focus on an offense only two of our opponents use.

- Tulane forced three turnovers against GT

- While they got demolished by GT, Tulane put up almost 350 yards of offense against them. Tulane...

- Their corners are 5'11, per their roster. When I watch them, they look 5'9"-5'10". They are also not very fast.

- We are simply deeper, stronger, faster and more athletic than this team. We should be able to rotate in defensive linemen and physically stress this type of team. It's totally plausible that we don't... but rational thought would say we could.

So what you are saying is that C Rob should play every down?
 

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I put it in the prediction thread, but I'll also put it here:

For those of you that think ND wins this game, what gives you confidence that the defense will stop GT's triple option enough for the team to win?

I'm not trying to call anyone out or be a dick. I would love for my opinion to be swayed.

The strength of the ND defense is the front 7, and the D line in particular. They aren't great, but they are all competent and then some. Stopping the run is a strength. GaTech does throw the ball more than Navy, et al, but not very well. Their QB completed 51.3% of his passes last year. He had an 83.8 QBR. By comparison, even with his second half of the season implosion, Everett Golson's QBR last year was 143.6. The safeties just have to keep the receivers in front of them, and I think we will be ok. We have a solid D line that should penetrate and disrupt the triple option. We have some fast, active linebackers who ought to be able to make plays out on the edge. And we have corners that should be able to come up and help on the run, when needed. Our offense should be able to run the ball, control the clock, and score enough. I think we'll see a lot of Yoon. Kelly's ND teams seem to always struggle in the Red Zone, so I expect that a bunch of drives will end in FG attempts, with a few ending on a "big play" TD pass or run.

But none of this is a given. Kizer might end up being a typical "rookie", and turn it over over a half million times. Or the D might forget how to tackle and give up a ton of points. However, I think there is plenty of reason to believe that ND can win this game.
 

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Gap responsibility and stopping the dive is the first priority, and it takes everyone in the front seven. I'm not sure how you spy and still stop the dive consistently.

You want the QB to run. Take away the dive and then force him to make decisions. Leads to turnovers and second guessing if the defense continues to hit him.
 
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IDC that he technically logged a play. I think they need to implement him into the offense. He doesn't have to be our only TE being used because Smyth and Luatua have their place, but he's a freak athlete that can make heart breaking plays against a defense.

Put him at WR for the quick hitch and have fun 5'10" CBs trying to tackle him.

They cut to him after he came off the field on Saturday and he was explaining something the BK and another coach. It looked like he might have made a mental error, so with the drop in week one he just might not be there yet, so we haven't seen much of him. His athleticism may very well make up for that, I donno. Just relaying what I think I saw.
 
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They cut to him after he came off the field on Saturday and he was explaining something the BK and another coach. It looked like he might have made a mental error, so with the drop in week one he just might not be there yet, so we haven't seen much of him. His athleticism may very well make up for that, I donno. Just relaying what I think I saw.

Thanks for the info. I don't want to start an argument, but coaches need to find ways to let the players play. We get few physical freaks at ND, and guys like Alize and Morgan need to be on the field getting yards after contact, and causing fumbles. Probably my biggest gripe about BK's tenure, right before play calling. If you have a stud, create something to give the defense one more headache. Like I said, something as simple as a WR quick pass. Put the ball in the player's hands and let them do work for you. Rant over.
 

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Gap responsibility and stopping the dive is the first priority, and it takes everyone in the front seven. I'm not sure how you spy and still stop the dive consistently.

You want the QB to run. Take away the dive and then force him to make decisions. Leads to turnovers and second guessing if the defense continues to hit him.

Teams do it all of the time. You defend the gaps with 6. Really, the outside gaps can both be covered by a LB, while one of them spies the QB.

You may not like that, but then you're answer to my original question probably should have been "no, I don't like it", instead of "it's not possible". As it's clearly possible, because teams do it all of the time.
 
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Georgia Tech hasn't exactly faced good competition, so expecting their performance to dip isn't crazy talk. Triple option is all about timing, I think it's realistic to think, if Notre Dame doesn't shit the bed, that their timing will be affected. I also don't think the Virginia game was as alarming as many on here do.

We also don't know how good their defense is, and Notre Dame has the OL and skill position talent to score on any defense, backup QB or not.

Ultinately I think it's a toss up game.

I'm predicting a close win. While I respect GT and their offense, they really do not have top-level talent across the board. Recruiting rankings are not everything and they don't apply as much in their triple option, but theoretically we have more talent than them at just about every position.

--Kizer looked a little skittish, but a full week with BK and 1st-team reps will be huge for him. It should also be much easier coming in at home than it will be trying to hold on to a win on the road in a hectic environment.

--Bob Elliott in theory has been prepping for the triple option just about the entire season. We easily have the athletes to shut it down.

--I think also our defense buys in this week with triple option prep much more than they would for a Navy game. The combo of losing Zaire and playing the #14 team in the country should have everyone locked in all week.

--Lastly, BK is great with young QBs. I think he is 14-1 here with a true frosh or redshirt frosh QB. I think he keeps it simple, and we move it fairly well against GT.

More of a gut pick than anything, but I think we win 27-20.

Nothing like clear thinking in a game day thread! "It smells like victory!"

Seriously, great points, gentlemen!

Va., would have beat some people last week. And wait to see, I bet they finish up-field in their ACC division.

Second of all, Va., totally broke with their tendencies, (or the tendencies of their coaches.) This neutralized most of the Irish game-planning. So you are playing an inspired team, away, and your game plan is worth fecal material.

Plus, we all know ND spent time on the triple-option last week. For the good or bad.

This is the game the players and coaches were looking for.

Kizer explained his first rusty play. Other than that I thought he looked as good as any skilled player, save CJ and Will.

So the kid gets thrust into a come from behind, two-minute drill, on the road, at night, and throws a 39 yard game winning touchdown, all the while managing the clock as effectively, or more effectively than any ND quarterback in recent memory.

Also from his interview, and both of you guys inferred this in your posts, DeShone is an intelligent, observant, and extremely cool quarterback. And he pointed out the secret to "Va., screwing up Malik, and ND's passing game : They played their db's way back, and forced the short throws! Might have worked against Malik, but not so much with Kizer. He has better visibility of the whole field of play, and once he gets his footwork un-fucked, I think he will start running through his progressions faster than most recent ND quarterbacks.

Nobody will guess him to be the runner that he is, just wait.

More that the "passionate and emotional" Zaire, and the "whatever" Golson, Kizer plays like a machine. He really has a take what he can get attitude. He may not "win" many, but he is "hard to beat!"

Once he gets comfortable, plays like his pass over the middle to CJ will become an regular sort of thing. He has pocket presence and the ability to widely distribute the ball.

Most important, he believes he can do it. Scratch that. He knows he can do it. This guy, once he and the receivers get used to each other, may click very well. Am I saying he is better than Zaire or Golson? Definitely not. But he may be a quarterback with better attributes to maximize the receivers ND has.

And Last But NOT Least : The chances of GT being able to sit back on the routes and disguise their coverage for as long as Va., did are almost nil.
 

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Teams do it all of the time. You defend the gaps with 6. Really, the outside gaps can both be covered by a LB, while one of them spies the QB.

You may not like that, but then you're answer to my original question probably should have been "no, I don't like it", instead of "it's not possible". As it's clearly possible, because teams do it all of the time.

I've never seen it done. I just did a quick search to see how it's done and I got nothing.
 

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IDC that he technically logged a play. I think they need to implement him into the offense. He doesn't have to be our only TE being used because Smyth and Luatua have their place, but he's a freak athlete that can make heart breaking plays against a defense.

Put him at WR for the quick hitch and have fun 5'10" CBs trying to tackle him.

You asked if he played. I answered, and provided you the link.
 

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A bit of history on Paul Johnson and BVG for those that aren't aware. From the AJC today.

Anyone think BVG has something to prove?

Paul Johnson downplays Brian VanGorder dig, but hasn’t... | www.myajc.com

By Ken Sugiura - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson doesn’t know Notre Dame defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder. He thinks they may have met when VanGorder was a Falcons defensive coordinator, but that’s about it.

“I don’t know that we’ve ever had a conversation,” Johnson said Monday at his weekly news conference.

The two coaches, whose teams meet Saturday in South Bend, Ind., may never have spoken, but they’ve evidently traded words from a distance. And while he downplayed any notion of a rivalry between the two on Monday, Johnson was still willing to recount his version. When he became Georgia Southern coach in December 2005, VanGorder ditched the option scheme that had been instrumental in the Eagles’ six Division I-AA (now FCS) championships in favor of a multiple offense.

He also apparently took a dig at the offense, which did not escape the attention of the man responsible for it, Johnson. Saturday will be their first on-field meeting since that time.

“I think the only thing that ever happened along those lines was, after Mike (Sewak, now Tech’s offensive line coach) got fired at Georgia Southern, (VanGorder) said something about bringing them into the 21st century,” Johnson said. “And I said, ‘There’s a record. Shoot for it.’”

VanGorder stayed one season in Statesboro, jumping to a defensive coordinator job with the Falcons after a 3-8 season – the worst single-season record in the Eagles’ 33 modern-era seasons. Those who know Johnson well suspect VanGorder’s comments will add fire to the coach’s motivations for Saturday’s game. Notre Dame assistant coaches are not made available to media.

“He remembers everything,” said Kennesaw State coach Brian Bohannon, a longtime assistant to Johnson.

His memory bank is particularly ironclad for those dismissing his unorthodox scheme, which he developed as a Georgia Southern assistant in 1985 and has honed with record-setting success over the years despite a stream of critics.

“He’s pretty passionate about it,” Bohannon said, “and he was passionate about Georgia Southern.”

Johnson will bring to South Bend a team that has outscored its opposition 134-16 to reach 2-0 – the most points Tech has scored in its first two games since 1918 – but has not met his satisfaction.
“I don’t think we’re as good as people think we are right now,” Johnson said.

It may be part of Johnson’s responsibility this week to ensure that team members aren’t getting clouded by thoughts of their own grandeur after such a dominant start to the season.

“It’s my job to point that out to our guys, so that they know that,” Johnson said. “Sometimes when everybody’s telling you you’re all this and the cat’s meow, that’s a trap. You’d better not fall into it.”

And a considerable challenge awaits. No. 8 Notre Dame will be a far sterner test for No. 14 Tech than either Alcorn State or Tulane. Johnson said the Irish’s athleticism and individual talent jumped out at him. He noted that linebacker Jaylon Smith is “probably as good as we’ve played against in a couple years.” He called wide receiver Will Fuller one of the best at his position in the country.

Notre Dame was dominant in its season-opening win over Texas, limiting the Longhorns to 60 rushing yards on 29 attempts.

“It’s a big step up for us,” Johnson said. “We’ve just got to do our thing.”

Further, it will be the Jackets’ first road game of the season, in one of the most celebrated stadiums in college football.

We’ll have about probably 30 or 40 guys who haven’t traveled before (for a road game), so it ought to be interesting to see how they react to their first road game,” Johnson said.

Of little question will be how Johnson responds. His competitive streak is legendary, and it may be juiced up a notch this week because of an old, unforgotten slight.

“He feeds off that,” Bohannon said. “Somebody says he can’t do something, he’s going to be hell bent to do it. That’s just the way Coach is.”
 

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Let's hope Johnson gets too wrapped up in proving a point to the point it's a detriment to his team.

I like our chances. As mentioned before, GT's numbers were put up against ACS and Tulane.
 
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