SEC Open Thread

[BobbyMac]

Keep it up Coach Sumlin and just know, the Pope has already approved you ND contract when BK goes to the League.

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Talk about a hot take that's now at zero kelvins.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Talk about a hot take that's now at zero kelvins.

Ive seen worse.......








from you

 

[dublinirish]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/RivalsPortal/status/1432376961909809157?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I know we all love a QB conroversy but it could be (much much) worse:
https://theathletic.com/2788138/2021...of-a-lifetime/

 

[mango4]

I know we all love a QB conroversy but it could be (much much) worse:
https://theathletic.com/2788138/2021...of-a-lifetime/

I watched him play a little bit when he was at NDSU last year. He was not good.

 

[Rogue219]

I know we all love a QB conroversy but it could be (much much) worse:
https://theathletic.com/2788138/2021...of-a-lifetime/

From the sounds of this, I'm going to assume that South Carolina won't be going to a bowl this year. Yikes.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

From the sounds of this, I'm going to assume that South Carolina won't be going to a bowl this year. Yikes.

Muschamp literally took a dump on this program and then made them eat it with his contract extension. I feel bad for Beamer and I hope they give him a few years beacsue he is going to need it. He seems like a genuinely good dude.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Muschamp literally took a dump on this program and then made them eat it with his contract extension. I feel bad for Beamer and I hope they give him a few years beacsue he is going to need it. He seems like a genuinely good dude.

Muschamp's a great example of the Peter Principle. He was a good DC, but he's an absolute joke as a HC. He's just not suited for all that a HC job entails. He doesn't have any business ever being a HC anywhere again at any level. He left SC in a real mess.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

USCs grad assistant turned starting qb is baaaalllllin. Lmao

 

[drayer54]

I suddenly like Arkansas - hilarious [TWEET]https://twitter.com/razorbackfb/status/1436878553606356996?s=21[/TWEET]

 

[ulukinatme]

Whoh, how young is Undertaker there? Doesn't look like the current incarnation

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Not sure where to post this, but the kid has a bunch of SEC offers. Apparently Evan Stweart (#3 recruit in 2022, #1 WR) will forego his senior season:

https://247sports.com/Article/Colle...lass-foregoing-rest-of-senior-year-171968129/

“I have enjoyed playing the game of football for a very long time and I will never lose the love and energy rush of taking the field with my guys and teammates. I would like to thank Coach O, Coach Hooks and Coach Flight for bringing me in and developing me day in and day out and breaking me out of my shell to be the player I am today. With that being said, I will be foregoing the rest of my senior season and mentally and physically preparing myself for the next level of my football career and a huge step in life. Once again, thank you for all of the support and countless love. To my Red-Hawk teammates, I wish y’all the best of luck throughout the rest of the season and it’s always love when it comes to y’all. I hope every single one of you guys becomes great one day (heart emoji). Sincerely, Evan Stewart (praying emoji).”

Is this going to set a precedent for high ranked recruits just opting out? I would like to think he's on track to graduate early and he's not talking about taking the rest of the year off from school also, but ya never know.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Not sure where to post this, but the kid has a bunch of SEC offers. Apparently Evan Stweart (#3 recruit in 2022, #1 WR) will forego his senior season:

https://247sports.com/Article/Colle...lass-foregoing-rest-of-senior-year-171968129/

“I have enjoyed playing the game of football for a very long time and I will never lose the love and energy rush of taking the field with my guys and teammates. I would like to thank Coach O, Coach Hooks and Coach Flight for bringing me in and developing me day in and day out and breaking me out of my shell to be the player I am today. With that being said, I will be foregoing the rest of my senior season and mentally and physically preparing myself for the next level of my football career and a huge step in life. Once again, thank you for all of the support and countless love. To my Red-Hawk teammates, I wish y’all the best of luck throughout the rest of the season and it’s always love when it comes to y’all. I hope every single one of you guys becomes great one day (heart emoji). Sincerely, Evan Stewart (praying emoji).”

Is this going to set a precedent for high ranked recruits just opting out? I would like to think he's on track to graduate early and he's not talking about taking the rest of the year off from school also, but ya never know.

I feel the same way about this as when a college player opts out of playing in a bowl: you just quit on your teammates and brothers. So much for no I in team, team first, and helping your friends and teammates accomplish their goals too. It's a me first, lack of character thing in my book. I don't want those kids who do it to sign with my program or get drafted by my team. They have the wrong mindset.

 

[Dale]

Been happening and will continue. In the end the amount that can afford to do so and want to do so is extremely small. Jaydon Blue a TX RB commit did the same

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Don’t think it’s any different from risk reward of leaving College wary for the nfl. If they have their offer guaranteed then why not take the time to get prepared for the next level. Glad they the opportunity to do so at this point.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Don’t think it’s any different from risk reward of leaving College wary for the nfl. If they have their offer guaranteed then why not take the time to get prepared for the next level. Glad they the opportunity to do so at this point.

It's very different. When you sign a LOI and join a college program, everyone is aware that you'll be leaving after 4 years or 3 if you expect to be drafted high. If you stay for 3, you've met your commitment to your teammates and program. A guy who quits midseason in HS or won't play in the playoffs, or a guy who opts out of his college team's bowl game is shorting his teammates. It's an "I got mine, screw you" attitude. It's a "Me first, team last" attitude. It's the antithesis of what we teach young people about the value of playing sports and being part of a team, and putting your team first. It's a big part of what's wrong with some elements of our society today: a lack of commitment, a lack of honor, a lack of any stick-to-it-iveness, a lack of any interest in keeping your word and seeing things through. When you join a team of any kind, you make a commitment. You promise to put team first. Keep your word and don't abandon your teammates when they need you. Doing so shows a lack of character.

 

[Dale]

It's very different. When you sign a LOI and join a college program, everyone is aware that you'll be leaving after 4 years or 3 if you expect to be drafted high. If you stay for 3, you've met your commitment to your teammates and program. A guy who quits midseason in HS or won't play in the playoffs, or a guy who opts out of his college team's bowl game is shorting his teammates. It's an "I got mine, screw you" attitude. It's a "Me first, team last" attitude. It's the antithesis of what we teach young people about the value of playing sports and being part of a team, and putting your team first. It's a big part of what's wrong with some elements of our society today: a lack of commitment, a lack of honor, a lack of any stick-to-it-iveness, a lack of any interest in keeping your word and seeing things through. When you join a team of any kind, you make a commitment. You promise to put team first. Keep your word and don't abandon your teammates when they need you. Doing so shows a lack of character.

I think this in general is as tough topic to blanket take that stance. There will not be that many and each will be unique and deserve and many cases hearing out there reasonings.

That being said, per one of the 247 guys Stewart had been at odds with his HS staff. With skipping practices, suspension, questions on handling of his recruitment and a look towards NIL opportunities

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Eh…. Kid or kids like him have a skill set that is likely to make him a ton of money in the future. He is free to make a decision that is best for him. That’s what this country is about or so I have been told. The smart move is to improve that skill set and physically develop it while minimizing risk. And who knows the quality of his team and coach’s and weight program and any number of other reasons why it would be better for that individual to focus on his own improvement if he has aspirations of playing at the next level.

I just recently took a promotion at another company for numerous reasons but mostly self improvement and more money. I loved everyone of my former coworkers. Am I selfish? Nah it was the smart and better move.

 

[Irish#1]

Eh…. Kid or kids like him have a skill set that is likely to make him a ton of money in the future. He is free to make a decision that is best for him. That’s what this country is about or so I have been told. The smart move is to improve that skill set and physically develop it while minimizing risk. And who knows the quality of his team and coach’s and weight program and any number of other reasons why it would be better for that individual to focus on his own improvement if he has aspirations of playing at the next level.

I just recently took a promotion at another company for numerous reasons but mostly self improvement and more money. I loved everyone of my former coworkers. Am I selfish? Nah it was the smart and better move.

Apples and oranges dude. You've been to school, you're older, more mature and have had your share of life experiences which makes you more capable of making decisions on your own.

If he's having issues with coaches, recruitment, skipping practices, etc., this kid isn't mature enough to make an informative decision and demonstrates a clear "Me first" attitude. I suspect he has a set of immature parents making these decisions for him like so many of parents who think their kid is going to be a superstar and make them lots of money.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Apples and oranges dude. You've been to school, you're older, more mature and have had your share of life experiences which makes you more capable of making decisions on your own.

If he's having issues with coaches, recruitment, skipping practices, etc., this kid isn't mature enough to make an informative decision and demonstrates a clear "Me first" attitude. I suspect he has a set of immature parents making these decisions for him like so many of parents who think their kid is going to be a superstar and make them lots of money.

Its really not though and Bish was painting high shool age kids with a VEEERRRRYYYY broad brush. Who are we to judge this kid let alone the others who have to sort through these OPPORTUNITIES to succeed. I have a ton of people advising me much like I'd think these kids do as well be it their friends, girlfriends, parents, coaches, scouts, trainers etc... Truth is outside of message board speculation and chest thumping we know nothing about this kid or others making these types of decisions.

 

[Irish#1]

Its really not though and Bish was painting high shool age kids with a VEEERRRRYYYY broad brush. Who are we to judge this kid let alone the others who have to sort through these OPPORTUNITIES to succeed. I have a ton of people advising me much like I'd think these kids do as well be it their friends, girlfriends, parents, coaches, scouts, trainers etc... Truth is outside of message board speculation and chest thumping we know nothing about this kid or others making these types of decisions.

I don't see how you can compare the two, but as you say outside of message board speculation we know nothing, which is true. That in itself nullifies your comparison of him and you/job.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I don't see how you can compare the two, but as you say outside of message board speculation we know nothing, which is true. That in itself nullifies your comparison of him and you/job.

If thats true then it nullifies anyone else take on this matter so what does it matter. Its simply a decision no matter how you cut it.....eyeroll.....but you are right im wrong lol. ok whatever. I hope the kid(s) make good decisions and arent bastardized by judgmental internet chest thumpers.

 

[Irish#1]

If thats true then it nullifies anyone else take on this matter so what does it matter. Its simply a decision no matter how you cut it.....eyeroll.....but you are right im wrong lol. ok whatever. I hope the kid(s) make good decisions and arent bastardized by judgmental internet chest thumpers.

Keep in mind that I started my original post with "If".

 

[Bishop2b5]

If thats true then it nullifies anyone else take on this matter so what does it matter. Its simply a decision no matter how you cut it.....eyeroll.....but you are right im wrong lol. ok whatever. I hope the kid(s) make good decisions and arent bastardized by judgmental internet chest thumpers.

Cack, I have to respectfully disagree with you in the strongest way. Taking a better job or heading to the NFL after three years is not remotely comparable to quitting on your team mid-season. If a player quits on his team/teammates midseason because of health or family issues, we all understand that and it's likely the right call. This, though, is just quitting on your teammates in the middle of a season because you've put your needs and wants above your obligation and duty to others. We value and stress commitment and loyalty to a team, whether it's a sports team, a project team at work, our family, our community, a combat platoon, etc., etc., because putting the team first and being there no matter what brings about a larger success for the group as a whole.

Quitting in the middle of something shows a self-centered, me first attitude, a lack of character, a lack of commitment, a lack of concern about what happens to your teammates. The player who quits on his team midseason is gonna run when the going gets tough or bail on his friends every time a greener pasture appears. You can't count on him. Think about any TV show you've ever seen where there are characters who always and only look out for #1 as opposed to never letting the team down (think Negan vs. Rick or Darryl on TWD). You respect the heck out of one of those and loathe the other as an unreliable weasel. You want people on your team who'll be there NO MATTER WHAT, not those who'll abandon you when it suits them. A guy who quits on his team midseason in high school is likely to quit on his college team during bowl season so he can focus on getting ready for the combine. He'll be the guy who quits on his NFL team when they're rebuilding or he isn't getting enough touches.

If I were a college head coach recruiting this kid, I'd drop him like a hot potato. Character and commitment are as important as physical talent. Quitting on his HS team midseason tells me he has character flaws and will never be reliable and put his team first. I hope Bama doesn't sign him. If they do, I'll wish him well, but hold my breath waiting for the drama and lack of maturity and character to show. I feel STRONGLY about this! Quitting midseason on your teammates is low. It's a bad habit to form. We don't respect a soldier who'd quit his platoon on the way to the front in order to take a safer, easier assignment. We don't respect a guy who quits on his family when times are tough so he can have an easier life. YOU DON'T QUIT ON YOUR TEAM MIDSEASON! EVER. I'm really surprised that you or anyone else is making excuses for him and trying to normalize it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Cack, I have to respectfully disagree with you in the strongest way. Taking a better job or heading to the NFL after three years is not remotely comparable to quitting on your team mid-season. If a player quits on his team/teammates midseason because of health or family issues, we all understand that and it's likely the right call. This, though, is just quitting on your teammates in the middle of a season because you've put your needs and wants above your obligation and duty to others. We value and stress commitment and loyalty to a team, whether it's a sports team, a project team at work, our family, our community, a combat platoon, etc., etc., because putting the team first and being there no matter what brings about a larger success for the group as a whole.

Quitting in the middle of something shows a self-centered, me first attitude, a lack of character, a lack of commitment, a lack of concern about what happens to your teammates. The player who quits on his team midseason is gonna run when the going gets tough or bail on his friends every time a greener pasture appears. You can't count on him. Think about any TV show you've ever seen where there are characters who always and only look out for #1 as opposed to never letting the team down (think Negan vs. Rick or Darryl on TWD). You respect the heck out of one of those and loathe the other as an unreliable weasel. You want people on your team who'll be there NO MATTER WHAT, not those who'll abandon you when it suits them. A guy who quits on his team midseason in high school is likely to quit on his college team during bowl season so he can focus on getting ready for the combine. He'll be the guy who quits on his NFL team when they're rebuilding or he isn't getting enough touches.

If I were a college head coach recruiting this kid, I'd drop him like a hot potato. Character and commitment are as important as physical talent. Quitting on his HS team midseason tells me he has character flaws and will never be reliable and put his team first. I hope Bama doesn't sign him. If they do, I'll wish him well, but hold my breath waiting for the drama and lack of maturity and character to show. I feel STRONGLY about this! Quitting midseason on your teammates is low. It's a bad habit to form. We don't respect a soldier who'd quit his platoon on the way to the front in order to take a safer, easier assignment. We don't respect a guy who quits on his family when times are tough so he can have an easier life. YOU DON'T QUIT ON YOUR TEAM MIDSEASON! EVER. I'm really surprised that you or anyone else is making excuses for him and trying to normalize it.

Im not defending him or supporting him but Iam supporting his (and every other HS Kid with an opportunity to play ball at the next level) RIGHT TO DECIDE (right or wrong) on how best to handle an opportunity to proceed to the next level. I know this is a shocking hot take by me and its quite different from the black and white mile wide brush you are painting with.

Also thats quite the high horse of judgement you are on but whatever. I'm wrong ok... You really dont know anything about his or any other kids situation soooooo....This kid and any other kid with the opportunity to play at the next level can make this decision for himself. Maybe he is worried about getting injured? Maybe his school trainer is shit. Maybe his facilities are shit. Maybe his season is effectively over? Maybe he is worried about getting hurt for real jeopordizing his future in college....Who knows. Who cares. I hope it works out and Im not going go blast him for it. Lol at TWD

 

[irishtrain]

College football would be awesome if this conference were not allowed to do what they do by their administrations

 

[greyhammer90]

What if this whole thing was a big false argument because the kid just got suspended for drugs and is trying to save face by claiming he's moving on to the next level...

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[NDRock]

Cack, I have to respectfully disagree with you in the strongest way. Taking a better job or heading to the NFL after three years is not remotely comparable to quitting on your team mid-season. If a player quits on his team/teammates midseason because of health or family issues, we all understand that and it's likely the right call. This, though, is just quitting on your teammates in the middle of a season because you've put your needs and wants above your obligation and duty to others. We value and stress commitment and loyalty to a team, whether it's a sports team, a project team at work, our family, our community, a combat platoon, etc., etc., because putting the team first and being there no matter what brings about a larger success for the group as a whole.

Quitting in the middle of something shows a self-centered, me first attitude, a lack of character, a lack of commitment, a lack of concern about what happens to your teammates. The player who quits on his team midseason is gonna run when the going gets tough or bail on his friends every time a greener pasture appears. You can't count on him. Think about any TV show you've ever seen where there are characters who always and only look out for #1 as opposed to never letting the team down (think Negan vs. Rick or Darryl on TWD). You respect the heck out of one of those and loathe the other as an unreliable weasel. You want people on your team who'll be there NO MATTER WHAT, not those who'll abandon you when it suits them. A guy who quits on his team midseason in high school is likely to quit on his college team during bowl season so he can focus on getting ready for the combine. He'll be the guy who quits on his NFL team when they're rebuilding or he isn't getting enough touches.

If I were a college head coach recruiting this kid, I'd drop him like a hot potato. Character and commitment are as important as physical talent. Quitting on his HS team midseason tells me he has character flaws and will never be reliable and put his team first. I hope Bama doesn't sign him. If they do, I'll wish him well, but hold my breath waiting for the drama and lack of maturity and character to show. I feel STRONGLY about this! Quitting midseason on your teammates is low. It's a bad habit to form. We don't respect a soldier who'd quit his platoon on the way to the front in order to take a safer, easier assignment. We don't respect a guy who quits on his family when times are tough so he can have an easier life. YOU DON'T QUIT ON YOUR TEAM MIDSEASON! EVER. I'm really surprised that you or anyone else is making excuses for him and trying to normalize it.

I agree with this sentiment for 99% of the kids out there. Both my kids have played sports their whole lives and we've lived by the "finish what you started" mantra. My daughter is currently on scholarship in college playing soccer and my son plays sports all year long. We would never have let them quit halfway through a season (unless there was a safety concern).

That being said, this kid falls into that 1%. I won't even get into the NIL stuff, though that is a component of this. He is a top 5 player in the country. He can/should legitimately be looking at football as a career path. One that can make him millions of dollars. I don't know his background but for most Americans this is life changing/family tree changing money.

Looking at 247 rankings from 2010 - 2015, top 5 ranked high school recruits had an extraordinarily high hit rate. Of those 30 kids:

11 - 1st round picks
8 - 2nd round picks
6 - 4th thru 7th round picks
5 - Undrafted free agents

Chances are this kid is headed for the NFL and I can't fault him for making decisions that will help him get there.

 

[Dale]

Out for the year since the Auburn loss tally for LSU:

Stud WR Boutte
Stud CB Stingley
Stud CB Ricks

This joins basically half the defense already OFY or week to week type injuries. Either LSU is the unluckiest team of all time or some of these season ending procedures feel a bit stinky. Ricks reportedly has a nagging injury he’s been dealing with, though he hasn’t missed any games and hasn’t been questionable even.