Russia Invades Ukraine

[NorthDakota]

I had a crazy admin years ago that made us all dress professionally,… except her idea of such was men need to be fully suited up 24/7, in the middle of the desert,… girls? As look as you look cute you’re professional. So all the women would come in in spaghetti straps and short skirts complaining about how cold the office was so the men would have to walk around in 100 degree heat, then sit in an office set to 85 bc the women in the office, all without ever taking off our jacket because that would be unprofessional. She later got fired for discrimination,… TL/DR: ACamp hates suits and avoids them at all costs now.

I could rant for hours about how stupid "professional" dress codes are. But you put it succinctly in a paragraph.

Like I said, I like suits. But women's idea of "professional" is both cheap and a joke. Glad the bish got canned.

 

[NorthDakota]

No NATO defense, less Ukraine defense.

Sounds like dogshit.

Seems fair. They are probably strongly considering that if that's actually the offer. Lets Russia save face for a poorly executed invasion. Lets Ukraine start picking up the pieces of their country and maintain independence.

 

[ACamp1900]

What's the issue here?

These women should never,….

 

[calvegas04]

No NATO defense, less Ukraine defense.

Sounds like dogshit.

Remember last time Ukraine agreed to disarm and how well that worked out for them?

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Tweet of the year

Does an adidas track suit count?

 

[irishog77]

When you post about O&G you should expect posts pointing out differences of opinion. I simply posted my thoughts on O&G as it relates to the price shock from Russia as part of another posters posts for a discussion...on a board...for discussion. I'm still curious on the quantifiable data that you have that shows how any of your first paragraph is true. I'd love to trade barbs about how you think I'm an idiot and what not, but I'd prefer data.


Boy, I have ex girlfriends who stalk me less. Grow up lmao.

Here are 2 great starting points for some reading to help ascertain some data:

The Wealth of Nations, Books 1-3

Manifesto of the Communist Party

After these, I'd go with this below. I believe this is the 9th edition, but really, any of the editions will work. The cool thing about this book, is that it takes most of the philosophy and thought about the above 2 works, and places many of them in these neato graphs and charts. You may need a calculator to grasp some of the charts and graphs, but a rudimentary understanding of mathematics should suffice.



If you actually read all 3 of these, then have more questions how government regulation can, in fact, affect price, then I can provide further reading for explanation. But this should be a great starting point.

 

[NorthDakota]

Remember last time Ukraine agreed to disarm and how well that worked out for them?

Beats getting pounded by missiles and artillery while the world eats popcorn.

 

[Rogue219]

Remember last time Ukraine agreed to disarm and how well that worked out for them?

To your point, if I were the Ukraine...it would be a no from me, dawg.

 

[NorthDakota]

To your point, if I were the Ukraine...it would be a no from me, dawg.

Idk what I'd do.

Easy to say no when your country isn't the one getting prison fucked.

On the other hand, Russia could fall apart.

 

[Rack Em]

What's the issue here?

The fatties were

 

[TorontoGold]

Here are 2 great starting points for some reading to help ascertain some data:

The Wealth of Nations, Books 1-3

Manifesto of the Communist Party

After these, I'd go with this below. I believe this is the 9th edition, but really, any of the editions will work. The cool thing about this book, is that it takes most of the philosophy and thought about the above 2 works, and places many of them in these neato graphs and charts. You may need a calculator to grasp some of the charts and graphs, but a rudimentary understanding of mathematics should suffice.



If you actually read all 3 of these, then have more questions how government regulation can, in fact, affect price, then I can provide further reading for explanation. But this should be a great starting point.

Here's one of my favorite studies I read when completing my degree in economics, specifically focused on macroeconomics - Shocks and Frictions in US Business Cycles: A Bayesian DSGE Approach - American Economic Association

I'd be encouraged if you could point out, any, macroeconomic concepts seeing as you are presenting yourself as having a cursory understanding of some. How would you explain the effect of the current economic situation and it's impacts on the O&G markets using a DGSE model of your choosing.

Haven't thought of any macroeconomic concepts in quite some time, but hopefully a scholar such as yourself could pull together some data that shows at least some sort of relationship between the factors you described in your previous posts and the O&G markets.

 

[Irish#1]

Tweet of the year

Mr. President, they are shelling just a couple of miles from here. Hold on, need to find my blue pinstripe suit.

 

[irishog77]

Here's one of my favorite studies I read when completing my degree in economics, specifically focused on macroeconomics - Shocks and Frictions in US Business Cycles: A Bayesian DSGE Approach - American Economic Association

I'd be encouraged if you could point out, any, macroeconomic concepts seeing as you are presenting yourself as having a cursory understanding of some. How would you explain the effect of the current economic situation and it's impacts on the O&G markets using a DGSE model of your choosing.

Haven't thought of any macroeconomic concepts in quite some time, but hopefully a scholar such as yourself could pull together some data that shows at least some sort of relationship between the factors you described in your previous posts and the O&G markets.

Great! So you should have a full understanding that governmental regulation can affect price!

 

[TorontoGold]

Great! So you should have a full understanding that governmental regulation can affect price!

Exactly why I'm wondering how you're able to quantify it and if you can show how you're quantifying it. Just looking at the past price history it's not instantly evident on the relationship, as I posted the a chart showing prices since 2000 and it ran counter to your beliefs.

If you just are rehashing talking points - you can own it like some have as they don't want to engage on numbers, but if you want to tout some better knowledge then show your work. I'm open to data!

 

[PerthDomer]

Here are 2 great starting points for some reading to help ascertain some data:

The Wealth of Nations, Books 1-3

Manifesto of the Communist Party

After these, I'd go with this below. I believe this is the 9th edition, but really, any of the editions will work. The cool thing about this book, is that it takes most of the philosophy and thought about the above 2 works, and places many of them in these neato graphs and charts. You may need a calculator to grasp some of the charts and graphs, but a rudimentary understanding of mathematics should suffice.



If you actually read all 3 of these, then have more questions how government regulation can, in fact, affect price, then I can provide further reading for explanation. But this should be a great starting point.

You do realize that people are capable of having different opinions despite being well informed?

 

[BrownerandFry]

Tweet of the year

Well. Peter, we forgive you your background:

(from Wikipedia)

Schiff was born to a middle-class Jewish family[6] in New Haven, Connecticut. His father, Irwin, the son of Jewish immigrants from Poland, served in the US Army during World War II. Irwin was a prominent figure in the US tax protester movement. He died in federal prison in October 2015 while he was serving a sentence of at least 13 years for tax evasion.[7][8]

His parents divorced when he was young, and he moved around the country with his mother and his brother, Andrew, from Connecticut to Manhattan to Florida and finally Southern California.[6] He credits his father for introducing him to the Austrian School of economic thought.[9]

On October 20, 2015, four days after the death of his father, Schiff accused the Federal Bureau of Prisons of inhumanely treating his father and not allowing the usual human

Peter (and I know you are the breathy guru of the ultrarights at my health club)

YOUR DADDY SERVED 13 years in a federal prison and died there.

Plus Peter, you can't understand Vlodomyr because you are a REMF

Vlod is a warrior.

You live in Westport, you were born in New Haven.

What did your daddy wear in federal prison?

 

[notredomer23]

I still don't understand how 100s of drones is cool and 20 something Migs isn't but here we are.

 

[NEIIrish]

I still don't understand how 100s of drones is cool and 20 something Migs isn't but here we are.

Thats easy, the money and supplies have to come directly from the United States so it can then be laundered back to crooked politicians.

 

[irishog77]

You do realize that people are capable of having different opinions despite being well informed?

Yes

 

[IrishLax]

I still don't understand how 100s of drones is cool and 20 something Migs isn't but here we are.

Right?!?!

 

[IrishLax]

No NATO defense, less Ukraine defense.

Sounds like dogshit.

I think it's reasonable if and only if you have some surety that they won't try this shit again. Which I'm not sure how you get.

But with less defense, the odds are strong that they come in again more prepared next time against a less prepared Ukraine.

 

[PerthDomer]

Right?!?!

Someone has to fly the MiG's in. Additionally if we're pouring in Switchblades the Russians are in for a world of hurt.

We also announced we moved a bunch of anti aircraft weapons earlier this week.

The old MiG's the Ukranians want would look nice symbolically, but anti aircraft and large volumes of drones are honestly more useful.

 

[IrishLax]

That would make Alaska a foreign country. We could get oil from it.

POTY nominee. Rasputin level funny.

 

[drayer54]

No NATO defense, less Ukraine defense.

Sounds like dogshit.

This is Putin playing appearances to get the pansies at EU/NATO to relax sanctions as a gesture. It would give Putin a chance to re-assess and re-invade more effectively with lessons learned from this. His end game hasn't changed. NATO wasn't the problem; Ukraine's existence is the problem.

Any peace would be temporary and allow Putin to rebuild. This is not the first invasion of Ukraine and not the last if they did end it with a ridiculous agreement.

 

[Rogue219]

This is Putin playing appearances to get the pansies at EU/NATO to relax sanctions as a gesture. It would give Putin a chance to re-assess and re-invade more effectively with lessons learned from this. His end game hasn't changed. NATO wasn't the problem; Ukraine's existence is the problem.

Any peace would be temporary and allow Putin to rebuild. This is not the first invasion of Ukraine and not the last if they did end it with a ridiculous agreement.

Exactly. Cease fire to Putin means reload.

 

[irishog77]

Exactly why I'm wondering how you're able to quantify it and if you can show how you're quantifying it. Just looking at the past price history it's not instantly evident on the relationship, as I posted the a chart showing prices since 2000 and it ran counter to your beliefs.

If you just are rehashing talking points - you can own it like some have as they don't want to engage on numbers, but if you want to tout some better knowledge then show your work. I'm open to data!

Since biden has only been in office a year, you well know there aren't a lot of charts and graphs yet that display correlations, as the best economic data encompasses more information than less. And to be honest, I haven't even looked. But let's be honest, the onus is really on you to "prove" governmental regulation does NOT affect price. You posting one chart doesn't prove it, but you know that.

As stated before, my premise is that the biden administration AND puting have contributed to higher prices at the pump. Throw covid in there too if you'd like (although biden has been telling us for some time that it's merely "transitory"). I genuinely don't know what to say if you feel like you can only know this by a chart I do or do not post.

At any rate, if you really want to look at data, here are some publications I've recently come across that touch on all of what I've said (regulation affecting outcomes).

Demand–supply imbalance during the Covid-19 pandemic | VOX, CEPR Policy Portal

Oil prices and inflation | Econbrowser

On infinite ethics

Do Higher-Priced Hospitals Deliver Higher-Quality Care?

https://bibliothek.wzb.eu/pdf/2022/ii22-301.pdf





The opioid crisis is an objectively very difficult problem

Regulatory Diffusion

Has the Willingness to Work Fallen during the Covid Pandemic?


As to the bolded, instantly evident does not mean not evident. Again, it's chart. One.

Your reluctance to admit that governmental regulation can, and often does, lead to higher prices for end consumers is mind-boggling. It's also intellectually dishonest. Go ahead and continue to believe that biden has no affect on gas prices. Operate under the premise that laws, appointments, regulations, executive orders, and governmental funding and budgets somehow don't impact our gas...and I guess our economy as well. Assume that one man, the president of the United States, is completely blameless and incapable of affecting our gas prices, but yet somehow, one man, the president of russia, can singularly raise and be full of blame for rising gas prices. I'd love to see your chart that explains that. I suppose if you don't have a chart to share with us on that, then it can't possibly be true.

 

[drayer54]

Didn't dawn on me that the Russians could have been using occupied power plants to run at capacity into Russia for "free" electricity during their "military operation." That doesn't benefit Russia, but Ukraine likely had enough power from their nuclear baseload and fossil resources to hold their own anyways. Diminished load (sadly) and normal power could provide an opportunity for them to sell west once the mess ends.

 

[irishog77]

I think it's reasonable if and only if you have some surety that they won't try this shit again. Which I'm not sure how you get.

But with less defense, the odds are strong that they come in again more prepared next time against a less prepared Ukraine.

Yep. Tough to get overly excited about it. Even if a "victory" in the sort term, there will be a laundry list a mile long to be worried about in the future (6 months- 10,20 years).

 

[TorontoGold]

Since biden has only been in office a year, you well know there aren't a lot of charts and graphs yet that display correlations, as the best economic data encompasses more information than less. And to be honest, I haven't even looked. But let's be honest, the onus is really on you to "prove" governmental regulation does NOT affect price. You posting one chart doesn't prove it, but you know that.

As stated before, my premise is that the biden administration AND puting have contributed to higher prices at the pump. Throw covid in there too if you'd like (although biden has been telling us for some time that it's merely "transitory"). I genuinely don't know what to say if you feel like you can only know this by a chart I do or do not post.

At any rate, if you really want to look at data, here are some publications I've recently come across that touch on all of what I've said (regulation affecting outcomes).

Demand–supply imbalance during the Covid-19 pandemic | VOX, CEPR Policy Portal

Oil prices and inflation | Econbrowser

On infinite ethics

Do Higher-Priced Hospitals Deliver Higher-Quality Care?

https://bibliothek.wzb.eu/pdf/2022/ii22-301.pdf





The opioid crisis is an objectively very difficult problem

Regulatory Diffusion

Has the Willingness to Work Fallen during the Covid Pandemic?


As to the bolded, instantly evident does not mean not evident. Again, it's chart. One.

Your reluctance to admit that governmental regulation can, and often does, lead to higher prices for end consumers is mind-boggling. It's also intellectually dishonest. Go ahead and continue to believe that biden has no affect on gas prices. Operate under the premise that laws, appointments, regulations, executive orders, and governmental funding and budgets somehow don't impact our gas...and I guess our economy as well. Assume that one man, the president of the United States, is completely blameless and incapable of affecting our gas prices, but yet somehow, one man, the president of russia, can singularly raise and be full of blame for rising gas prices. I'd love to see your chart that explains that. I suppose if you don't have a chart to share with us on that, then it can't possibly be true.

Government spending and investment is core to any economic model lmao, so yes obviously it does impact price? You've read the course syllabus, gold star.

My entire point has been how you're able to pin a years worth of policy decisions on the market pricing for O&G markets. That is the entire point I am making. How are you so easily able to say "Yep it's because of one year of policies that prices are increasing" when you can look at a chart for prices during the GW era where prices increased at high rates, and we know he wasn't some sort of environmentalist. So, stay on topic here bud, what data do you have that shows any level of government is directly responsible for the market prices of O&G.

TLDR - O&G pricing is more nuanced than blaming it on a group of lawmakers because it's a convenient excuse. External shocks like wars/disasters have way more of an impact.

 

[Irish#1]

Lol. Why don't you go join the foreign legion then? Oh... you are gonna stay here? Ok pussy.

If Russia winning ends the suffering, then I hope they roll Ukraine today. I doubt that will be happening though.

And the number of Americans who actually give a shit about whether Donbas or even the whole of Ukraine is ran by Russia is probably like 1-2%. But people watch the news, share tweets of videos of people dying. This is absolutely a sport or some hit new Netflix series to many people.

Last I read Ukraine was giving teenage boys a whopping three days of training before sending them off to fight. Sorry I'm not enthused by the prospect of that when I don't think they are going to win.

I guess I'm just a pussy though according to some guy from Philly.

Why do you think the suffering would end if Russia wins?