Russia Invades Ukraine

NorthDakota

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Why do you think the suffering would end if Russia wins?
Something tells me the bombs/missiles/artillery stop if one side concedes.

The country on the receiving end is the poorest country in the continent, I have doubts they'll get more poor if they give in.

They need to plant crops soon. Let's get this wrapped up and call it a day.
 

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Something tells me the bombs/missiles/artillery stop if one side concedes.

The country on the receiving end is the poorest country in the continent, I have doubts they'll get more poor if they give in.

They need to plant crops soon. Let's get this wrapped up and call it a day.
The bombing may stop, but that doesn't mean the suffering will. You'll see Putin and his puppets, hauling people away and civilians that continue to protest will probably suffer some deplorable fate. Putin isn't going to help rebuild what he destroyed. It won't get any prettier if Russia wins.
 

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PURPLE FACED PUTIN"S Sideline rant


Excerpt:

Putin’s wild rant to ‘scum’ West

Russian President Vladimir Putin has issued a furious warning to the West and oligarchs, telling all “traitors” he will “spit them out like a midge”.

In a wild televised address from the Kremlin, the Russian leader claimed Western nations would use “those who earn their money here, but live over there” to divide society.

“I do not judge those with villas in Miami or the French Riviera. Or who can’t get by without oysters or foie gras or so-called ‘gender freedoms’,” Mr Putin said.

“The problem is they mentally exist there, and not here, with our people, with Russia. The West will try to bet on the so-called fifth column, on traitors … to divide our society. to provoke civil confrontation … to strive to achieve its aim. And there is one aim – the destruction of Russia.”


Has any one here ever been "spit out like a midge?"

I stand corrected, I had pegged Vlad as a "swallower" rather than a "spitter."

In related news, the Mods have organized a stop order against VLad for using "SCUM" other than in reference to Ann Arbor.
 

NorthDakota

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The bombing may stop, but that doesn't mean the suffering will. You'll see Putin and his puppets, hauling people away and civilians that continue to protest will probably suffer some deplorable fate. Putin isn't going to help rebuild what he destroyed. It won't get any prettier if Russia wins.
Beats getting bombed.
 

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The Scots in 1320 (about 15 years after Braveheart was martyred)

"We do not fight for honour, riches, or glory, but solely for freedom which no true man gives up but with his life."

Give me Liberty or Give me death

Patrick Henry

Live Free or Die
New Hampshire license plate

"Ukraine will never surrender"

Vlodomyr Zelensky

This is a language
a code
a value system

which the weak, the infirm, the sheep never have understood and do not understand today.
 

NorthDakota

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The Scots in 1320 (about 15 years after Braveheart was martyred)

"We do not fight for honour, riches, or glory, but solely for freedom which no true man gives up but with his life."

Give me Liberty or Give me death

Patrick Henry

Live Free or Die
New Hampshire license plate

"Ukraine will never surrender"

Vlodomyr Zelensky

This is a language
a code
a value system

which the weak, the infirm, the sheep never have understood and do not understand today.
Look what Scotland accomplished... oh wait... they are ruled by the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family.

Ukraine will probably make a deal. I saw some Kiev newspaper said a deal was either struck or was soon to be. I hope that's true for their sake.
 

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Government spending and investment is core to any economic model lmao, so yes obviously it does impact price? You've read the course syllabus, gold star.

My entire point has been how you're able to pin a years worth of policy decisions on the market pricing for O&G markets. That is the entire point I am making. How are you so easily able to say "Yep it's because of one year of policies that prices are increasing" when you can look at a chart for prices during the GW era where prices increased at high rates, and we know he wasn't some sort of environmentalist. So, stay on topic here bud, what data do you have that shows any level of government is directly responsible for the market prices of O&G.

TLDR - O&G pricing is more nuanced than blaming it on a group of lawmakers because it's a convenient excuse. External shocks like wars/disasters have way more of an impact.
Ah, so ~20 posts in you will FINALLY admit government spending and investment are a part of gas prices. Conspicuously absent were any mention of laws, taxes, directives, appointments, executive orders, contracts, etc.

Funny that you want to stay on topic, yet you were the one who took, "We live in a true bizzaro world were people are doing a victory lap and straining their arms for the pats on the backs they're giving themselves for oil being $95 a barrel" into not only me somehow blaming biden (solely, mind you) for the rise of gas prices, but also ascribing other comments I made about nancy pelosi, media running cover for biden, barring the imports of russian oil, etc. somehow into MOAR of blaming biden. I mean, there was even direct evidence to the contrary in one of these posts you quoted.

And you posted a chart. A single chart...that is inconclusive.

And all along I've admitted, freely, not begrudgingly, that multiple factors (such as governmental regulation) play a role in the price of gas. I've always been in agreement with you that other factors play a role in what we pay for gas at the pump.

So, staying on topic, if you have info to to give as to why I'm not overly giddy about $95 oil, then please, continue on. Otherwise, take it to somebody else. Somebody that cares or is asking for that information?

But since you also seem intent on reading (particularly charts). Here are some. One is a book. Keep in mind, all the info isn't in chart form. Sometimes the author assumes the reader can extrapolate the data without a chart to look at. **Spoiler Alert** Yes, the government can have positive and negative impacts and affects on the price of gas...or virtually any commodity or good.

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Grants_and_Government_Expenditures_in_Jordan

https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/Chambers-How-Regs-Affect-Prices-v2.pdf

Removing the 1970s Crude Oil Price Controls: Lessons for Free-Market Reform

The Crazy Crude Oil Price Controls of the 1970s

https://www.cato.org/books/oil-gas-government-us-experience

How can gas prices come down? The federal government and states could help ease pain at the pump

https://www.cato.org/testimony/effect-federal-regulations-gasoline-prices-milwaukee/chicago-area

25 Biden policies raising gas prices and other energy costs - Americans for Prosperity
 

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Ah, so ~20 posts in you will FINALLY admit government spending and investment are a part of gas prices. Conspicuously absent were any mention of laws, taxes, directives, appointments, executive orders, contracts, etc.

Funny that you want to stay on topic, yet you were the one who took, "We live in a true bizzaro world were people are doing a victory lap and straining their arms for the pats on the backs they're giving themselves for oil being $95 a barrel" into not only me somehow blaming biden (solely, mind you) for the rise of gas prices, but also ascribing other comments I made about nancy pelosi, media running cover for biden, barring the imports of russian oil, etc. somehow into MOAR of blaming biden. I mean, there was even direct evidence to the contrary in one of these posts you quoted.

And you posted a chart. A single chart...that is inconclusive.

And all along I've admitted, freely, not begrudgingly, that multiple factors (such as governmental regulation) play a role in the price of gas. I've always been in agreement with you that other factors play a role in what we pay for gas at the pump.

So, staying on topic, if you have info to to give as to why I'm not overly giddy about $95 oil, then please, continue on. Otherwise, take it to somebody else. Somebody that cares or is asking for that information?

But since you also seem intent on reading (particularly charts). Here are some. One is a book. Keep in mind, all the info isn't in chart form. Sometimes the author assumes the reader can extrapolate the data without a chart to look at. **Spoiler Alert** Yes, the government can have positive and negative impacts and affects on the price of gas...or virtually any commodity or good.

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Grants_and_Government_Expenditures_in_Jordan

https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/Chambers-How-Regs-Affect-Prices-v2.pdf

Removing the 1970s Crude Oil Price Controls: Lessons for Free-Market Reform

The Crazy Crude Oil Price Controls of the 1970s

https://www.cato.org/books/oil-gas-government-us-experience

How can gas prices come down? The federal government and states could help ease pain at the pump

https://www.cato.org/testimony/effect-federal-regulations-gasoline-prices-milwaukee/chicago-area

25 Biden policies raising gas prices and other energy costs - Americans for Prosperity
Finally admit? What I'm looking for is where the relationship is between certain policy points that have directly impacted the price of gas, that's all I've asked. The chart I posted was not all encompassing as it showed "hmmm, maybe there is more to this then regurgitating platitudes".

lol "Somebody that cares or is asking for that information" Bud you got all bent out of shape for two posters discussing the price of oil, so you, quite literally care soooo much. Relax, this isn't the school ground, you're allowed to care about things tough guy.

"extrapolate the data without a chart to look at" - You're using words I'm not sure you understand. If I was to extrapolate the data I would be projecting out the expected results from the presented data in the presumed table. You need to re-read your thinly veiled insults before typing them out.

1. Oh, nice Jordan. Similar government structure to an NA economy. Did you read the extract at all? "the study proposes that the government of Jordan directly invests its oil tax revenues in economic sectors, such as agriculture and manufacturing, to broaden the sources of revenue, as well as exploit such revenues to establish alternative energy projects, whether from the sun, wind, or both" Guess your a big fan of re-investing oil tax revenues into alternatives? lmao

2. Study found a relationship of 10% increase in regulations to 0.6% increase in cost, no idea how they measure "regulations". Study does not include state level regulations into their calculation which would be interesting to see as it relates to the coefficient values and whether the R2 improves or not.

3. You'll notice in the study that they found economists universally agreed that government intervention on price controls to shield consumers an ineffective way of helping consumers. Which kind of runs counter to the "Lord Biden's magic lever" that seems to be pushed around.

4. See 3, but yes Nixon was complete moron.

5. This is a book, not a paper/study so unfortunately won't be able to give you a cliff notes on this.

6. "Pumping more oil to meet demand will be critical in easing prices, but it is not a quick fix according to Nick Loris, vice president of public policy at the Conservative Coalition for Climate Solutions (C3 Solutions)." - This is exactly the point that many have made that's been ignored by some here. In over a year, I'm not sure how much of the current situation can be blamed on the current admin. Oh, suspending gas taxes, yes because a company is just going to reduce prices when they are recording record profits. You should bring that point up next time at your performance review if you want an early retirement. My goodness lol "Sir, let's reduce our prices when we're performing so well!"

7. This article is from 2000 - but does make three points that are true today "That price increase is explained by three factors; OPEC production restraint, low domestic inventories of oil, and surging demand for oil products." So what exactly has been done that would be the cause of the current admin?

8. This list is....truly the "pièce de résistance" of your articles. " Keystone/Paris Agreement/Forcing states to restrict driving/fueling the fire for future regulation these are all just scrambled thoughts not based in empirical data lmao.

Anyways - that's it from me on this. You can @ me in the economics thread if you want a further lesson. TLDR - read your articles before posting.
 

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I don't know. Getting bombed and fighting back might be preferable for some of us to getting overrun and having a jackboot on our neck.
Everybody likes to think that. If South Dakota tried to secede from the Union, and the army was shelling you...and the Air Force was bombing you...would you prefer to fight back? Granted, I suspect that would never happen. The US goes about things differently. Total nightmare here to bomb a place you claim is yours. But Russia doesn't play by our rules.

If Russia is offering what is being reported.... thats a sweetheart deal. At worst, it lets Ukraine kick the can down the road awhile. NATO isn't going to save them. Thousands will die, which is horrible. Both sides. Probably more Ukrainians...and for what?
 

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Hot take of the day: NATO is building up troops on the Russian border because they believe this will be over soon, and in the event of a destabilized Russia they can throw power behind a group they see as most favorable
 

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7 traits of megalomaniacs*:

  • Presumptuousness. They believe they’re essential.
  • They feel indestructible and capable of solving any problem that comes their way. They’re manipulative, which is how they get to positions of power.
  • Feelings of omnipotence. They often put other people to the test to compare themselves and show that they’re better than everyone else.
  • They don’t admit to their mistakes, so they never learn from them.
  • Narcissistic and idealized self-image.
  • Hyperawareness of people’s reaction to what they do or say. If people reject them, they think those people are the problem and not them.
  • Vanity, supported by a strong ego that grows as a result of feeling superior.
VLAD has lost, he is nuts and a megalomaniac. He is no longer a rational actor.

Can he be stopped before he pushes the chemical or nuclear button?

*from "Exploring your mind"
 
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