Rumored Violations

[Cali_domer]

Those entries will be randomly deemed impermissible. Except Joe Biden acting like a fool. That is allowable. Not because his is a fool, but the randomness of things he can make foolish knows no bounds.

Kind of like police shouldn't you identify yourself as a mod(Under screen name)? Otherwise entrapment may come into play.

 

[Grahambo]

Those entries will be randomly deemed impermissible. Except Joe Biden acting like a fool. That is allowable. Not because his is a fool, but the randomness of things he can make foolish knows no bounds.

If only you knew...


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[wizards8507]

If only you knew...

 

[Grahambo]

You thought this thread couldn't get any worse?



Day 53.

It has been scientifically proven that this thread cannot get worse. It's also somewhere in the Old Testament.


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[OCIrish]

Kind of like police shouldn't you identify yourself as a mod(Under screen name)? Otherwise entrapment may come into play.

I'd think that is allowable in court.......

 

[Grahambo]

Not just him either.


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[DogDaysIrish]

Time to recruit ringers

Looks like a pretty stout bunch. I like...

 

[Irish Jacky]

It has been scientifically proven that this thread cannot get worse. It's also somewhere in the Old Testament

I have returned to this thread and it has therefore become demonstrably worse.

NYAH! NYAH!

PS: They be back yet??????

 

[Cackalacky]

Kind of like police shouldn't you identify yourself as a mod(Under screen name)? Otherwise entrapment may come into play.

Think of me like IE's Hutch.

 

[ulukinatme]

You know, at first I thought this thing would be bad for recruiting...but I'm second guessing that now. Looking at the season thus far, between injuries and this academic investigation we've seen a handful of players see the field that probably wouldn't have this year. I think we can turn this into a recruiting hook. "Come to ND, you may be just an injury or academic investigation away from getting playing time." /noitalics

 

[Irish8248]

Isn't that or future kicker on the right

 

[CarrollVermin]

Good, so we are all in agreement, we can make it through the rest of the season without any of these guys.

 

[pkt77242]

RMFE...literal much...

Nope pointing out you were making an uninformed though commonly believed political statement in a football thread, where it doesn't even belong regardless of how incorrect it is because this thread shouldn't contain politics.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[kmoose]

I've gone through that but can't think of many. I don't buy the NCAA angle. The NCAA isn't in the "who cheated" business. My thought would be the university would need to determine if they were in eligible before the NCAA stepped in. There can't be an appeal on behalf of the student without a hearing. And the investigation was said to have wrapped up long ago. The Dean could be on sabbatical, but they would have probably found a replacement by now.

Still, even if there is a delay, tell the student that. It continues to appear as they are in the dark on all of this as well. That's where the failure on the part of the admin comes into play.

Have you considered that maybe Davaris Daniels' dad is just a helicopter parent who would cry "mistreatment", if his son had to run a few extra laps for being late to practice? Why is it that none of the other parents/families are complaining about not knowing anything? Are they getting more information than DD's dad? I doubt it. Yet they are not running twitter and the rest of the internet, screaming about being wronged.

 

[MNIrishman]

Have you considered that maybe Davaris Daniels' dad is just a helicopter parent who would cry "mistreatment", if his son had to run a few extra laps for being late to practice? Why is it that none of the other parents/families are complaining about not knowing anything? Are they getting more information than DD's dad? I doubt it. Yet they are not running twitter and the rest of the internet, screaming about being wronged.

He might be the only parent on Twitter.

 

[kmoose]

He might be the only parent on Twitter.

If your kid was getting jacked around by the University, how hard would it be to create a twitter account, especially in solidarity with another parent who is doing the same?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

To me it's obvious something bigger is going on. I just can't secede to the idea that those in charge are aimlessly orbiting this situation with no outlook.

On the surface it seems incredibly inefficient and unprofessional that no one, including the students/athletes have any idea what's going on..

But to me it just nods to the idea that something unexpected was uncovered and it's requiring extraordinary caution in its handling.

Again.. Just my opinion. Because if they're actually just Michigan-ing off with these kids I'd be seriously disappointed in the university.

 

[Bubbles]

 

[Emcee77]

To me it's obvious something bigger is going on. I just can't secede to the idea that those in charge are aimlessly orbiting this situation with no outlook.

On the surface it seems incredibly inefficient and unprofessional that no one, including the students/athletes have any idea what's going on..

But to me it just nods to the idea that something unexpected was uncovered and it's requiring extraordinary caution in its handling.

Again.. Just my opinion. Because if they're actually just Michigan-ing off with these kids I'd be seriously disappointed in the university.

Totally agree. There just has to be something the administration is wrestling with, either legal or factual, that hasn't come to light yet.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Totally agree. There just has to be something the administration is wrestling with, either legal or factual, that hasn't come to light yet.

So why close the investigation, tell everyone that it is closed and that the next step is the academic hearings? What scenario are you thinking of? It's academics. It's not rocket science. I've been a professor for years, and there isn't a scenario that crosses my mind where a kid either cheated or not. It's not a complicated issue. You suspect someone of cheating, and you move forward to prove it. I have the burden of proof, not them.

The "paid employee" situation should have been handled immediately by the NCAA and compliance (see Cam Newton for how quickly those can be resolved via phone call). Unless you've uncovered a cheating ring being run by the Russian Mob and need to get the FBI involved, I can't see a scenario where something had come up that takes five weeks to figure out. You aren't solving a murder.

 

[koonja]

BK was told the hearings will happen 'very quickly' 3 weeks ago. I hate that they gave him that and hung him out to dry in the media.

 

[IRISH in MT]

Are there any lawyers on here that can answer a defamation suit question?

At what point does an accused person, who is later found innocent, get to turn around and sue the accuser for defaming their name with a false accusation?

Point and case, we had a QB at Montana that was accused of rape by a girl. He had to sit the entire football season during the trial only to find out the girl was upset she gave it up and then he wouldn't date her afterwards. Kid lost an entire year of playing + had his name in newspaper headlines for rape for a year as well. IF I was one of these 5 players making ESPN headlines for "academic fraud" and I was innocent I would want some type of payback from the University for the games missed + the "cheater" label that was attached to my name.

That is the problem with certain accusations...even IF you are found not guilty people still look at you shady and wonder what happened.

 

[Emcee77]

So why close the investigation, tell everyone that it is closed and that the next step is the academic hearings? What scenario are you thinking of? It's academics. It's not rocket science. I've been a professor for years, and there isn't a scenario that crosses my mind where a kid either cheated or not. It's not a complicated issue. You suspect someone of cheating, and you move forward to prove it. I have the burden of proof, not them.

The "paid employee" situation should have been handled immediately by the NCAA and compliance (see Cam Newton for how quickly those can be resolved via phone call). Unless you've uncovered a cheating ring being run by the Russian Mob and need to get the FBI involved, I can't see a scenario where something had come up that takes five weeks to figure out. You aren't solving a murder.

Right, exactly. There has to be something we don't know, because if the situation is even close to what we think it is, this delay is inexcusable. And my thinking is, what's more likely: that ND is being grossly negligent and criminally slow in handling this matter? or that it is more complex than it appears? Considering that it is under a spotlight, I would say the latter.

 

[wizards8507]

Are there any lawyers on here that can answer a defamation suit question?

At what point does an accused person, who is later found innocent, get to turn around and sue the accuser for defaming their name with a false accusation?

Point and case, we had a QB at Montana that was accused of rape by a girl. He had to sit the entire football season during the trial only to find out the girl was upset she gave it up and then he wouldn't date her afterwards. Kid lost an entire year of playing + had his name in newspaper headlines for rape for a year as well. IF I was one of these 5 players making ESPN headlines for "academic fraud" and I was innocent I would want some type of payback from the University for the games missed + the "cheater" label that was attached to my name.

That is the problem with certain accusations...even IF you are found not guilty people still look at you shady and wonder what happened.

It's not defamation to say "DaVaris Daniels is being investigated for possible academic fraud." That's a factually true statement. In your example, the newspaper is free to report "so-and-so is being investigated on rape charges," but they cannot say "so-and-so is a rapist."

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Are there any lawyers on here that can answer a defamation suit question?

At what point does an accused person, who is later found innocent, get to turn around and sue the accuser for defaming their name with a false accusation?

The elements of defamation are:

1. A false or defamatory statement about plaintiff;
2. Published to a 3rd party;
3. That the defendant was at least negligent in making.

Regarding (1), the statement must be factual in nature. At no point has ND flatly stated that "X player cheated." They've stated that certain players are being investigated for academic fraud. That's not defamation, even if the investigation completely vindicates some of them (the chances of which seem very low at this point).

(2) isn't really at issue here.

(3) is a gray area. When a "private" plaintiff is defamed, he needs only prove that the defendant was negligent in making the defamatory remarks. But when the plaintiff is a public figure, he must prove that the defendant knew the defamatory remarks were untrue, and made them anyway. Regardless of how a court would classify the players at issue, I see no plausible way that ND acted negligently or maliciously here. The whole "under investigation" thing precludes it.

 

[Wild Bill]

Are there any lawyers on here that can answer a defamation suit question?

At what point does an accused person, who is later found innocent, get to turn around and sue the accuser for defaming their name with a false accusation?

Point and case, we had a QB at Montana that was accused of rape by a girl. He had to sit the entire football season during the trial only to find out the girl was upset she gave it up and then he wouldn't date her afterwards. Kid lost an entire year of playing + had his name in newspaper headlines for rape for a year as well. IF I was one of these 5 players making ESPN headlines for "academic fraud" and I was innocent I would want some type of payback from the University for the games missed + the "cheater" label that was attached to my name.

That is the problem with certain accusations...even IF you are found not guilty people still look at you shady and wonder what happened.

Bruin Steve.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Right, exactly. There has to be something we don't know, because if the situation is even close to what we think it is, this delay is inexcusable. And my thinking is, what's more likely: that ND is being grossly negligent and criminally slow in handling this matter? or that it is more complex than it appears? Considering that it is under a spotlight, I would say the latter.

Not saying it's not possible, but by now that would have leaked. There were people that saw this investigation days before it became public. There is no way that something like that would not have at least been an Internet rumor or already have gone public if it was true.

 

[wizards8507]

Not saying it's not possible, but by now that would have leaked. There were people that saw this investigation days before it became public. There is no way that something like that would not have at least been an Internet rumor or already have gone public if it was true.

I'd bet that the upper echelons of the Notre Dame faculty are a bit more tight-lipped than the athletes, student body, and sports media. Heck maybe that's why they're apparently keeping DaVaris in the dark. Kids talk, deans don't. If one of the other players is causing trouble, keeping certain details from DD might just a necessary component to ensure confidentiality.

 

[koonja]

DD obviously knows what he did and thinks he's innocent. If what he did is so aggregious that it is causing the delay, he's really, really dumb for acting like it's no big deal.

Part of the reason I don't think he's very guilty. But could obviously be wrong.