Rumored Violations

[IrishLax]

I happen to agree with him so I guess I'll just stop.

It's called situation awareness. A normal ND football player has all the right in the world to go out and relax. If you've recently been suspended, might have cost your team wins in the future and in the past, and have nationally embarrassed your University, maybe you should stay in and do a little studying on the week nights.

Thanks, Mom.

 

[greyhammer90]

Thanks, Mom.

#sickburnbro

 

[ndftbl]

Not sure if I agree with this...


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Just basing on what I observed. Seemed to be a very solid tackler at the end of last year, but had difficulty staying with receivers down field.

Not saying I am right, but I suspect the latter is the reason you don't see him starting.

 

[IrishLax]

There are two groups of people right now:
1. People who realize that the players aren't in trouble for anything alcohol related, so going out to a bar with friends is irrelevant to cheating on papers. These people also realize that we live in America with general freedoms and its ridiculous to levy judgement on players for enjoying themselves with their peers in a totally normal activity.

2. Then there are the butthurt people who vindictively think that players should be banned from having fun and socializing because they are under investigation for academic misconduct. For some reason made an academic mistake and going to face those consequences => should be locked away in a nunnery 6 days a week where they perform penance for their sins, and only allowed out on Saturdays to play football for our enjoyment.

Choose your group wisely.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

#sickburnbro

Lol, quality response to the quality response.

 

[greyhammer90]

Lol, quality response to the quality response.

I can only respond to what I'm given. If LAX wants to post like a douche I'll do the same back.

 

[ndftbl]

I have zero to base this on, but I am hopeful Kelly pushed to have the actual "hearing" today. Why not, if the evidence is all in?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Seems around here lately opinions aren't welcome if they don't align with others.

Then again, that's just my opinion

 

[pkt77242]

 

[gkIrish]

In our modern world, what's the difference between going to a bar (if you are 21+) or going to the bowling alley where beer is sold. Would you guys be upset if the players went to the bowling alley and had a pitcher of beer there as opposed to going to the bar? Do you want them to sit in their apartment all day and play video games?

 

[Irishbounty28]

Breaking News! College kids with academic issues go out and have drinks with friends often. Sounds like an something that happens at colleges around the country.

 

[greyhammer90]

There are two groups of people right now:
1. People who realize that the players aren't in trouble for anything alcohol related, so going out to a bar with friends is irrelevant to cheating on papers.

No, it really really is relevant. What do you think the players were doing instead of writing papers? I'm not some old man either, I'm 24 and in Athens f*cking Georgia. I party a ton, but if I was suspended from school I don't think I'd be out.

These people also realize that we live in America with general freedoms and its ridiculous to levy judgement on players for enjoying themselves with their peers in a totally normal activity.

This sentence is just hilarious for a few different reasons. Really shows how confusing the Constitution can be to the average person I guess.

2. Then there are the butthurt people who vindictively think that players should be banned from having fun and socializing because they are under investigation for academic misconduct. For some reason made an academic mistake and going to face those consequences => should be locked away in a nunnery 6 days a week where they perform penance for their sins, and only allowed out on Saturdays to play football for our enjoyment.

I think you're associating this too much with punishment. It's not that I think we should all go up there with a rope and tie them to their desks. (Easy Koon.) It's that I wouldn't go out and party if I was in their situation. For that reason, I feel perfectly justified in comparing my view of what's appropriate in their situation with what they feel. They have every right to go out and do it, but that won't stop me from thinking that it's kind of a d*ckish move on their part.

 

[IrishLax]

I can only respond to what I'm given. If LAX wants to post like a douche I'll do the same back.

Not my fault you choose to act like a combination of Stalin and a helicopter mom.

You all are literally advocating that the players be "grounded" for unproven cheating accusations that may have happened years ago.

 

[woolybug25]

There are two groups of people right now:
1. People who realize that the players aren't in trouble for anything alcohol related, so going out to a bar with friends is irrelevant to cheating on papers. These people also realize that we live in America with general freedoms and its ridiculous to levy judgement on players for enjoying themselves with their peers in a totally normal activity.

Not one person has said anything about the subject of their actions are alcohol related. It's all about staying out of potentially embarrassing situations when you are in the spotlight for completely embarrassing the university. It's about keeping a low profile when you are in the spotlight for being completely irresponsible. Going out partying every night is not "totally normal activity" for student athletes who just caused the university possible NCAA violations. I have no idea why you believe that completely normal and acceptable response to betraying the trust of the school, coaches and team mates is to go party at Club Fever.

2. Then there are the butthurt people who vindictively think that players should be banned from having fun and socializing because they are under investigation for academic misconduct. For some reason made an academic mistake and going to face those consequences => should be locked away in a nunnery 6 days a week where they perform penance for their sins, and only allowed out on Saturdays to play football for our enjoyment.

Yeah... that's exactly what we said. Maybe this group just doesn't see how this situation is something that should lead to celebration. What in the hell are these guys supposed to be happy about right now? They got kicked off of the team, possibly lost their entire football career, embarrassed the university on a national scale, betrayed the trust of their coaches/teammates and possibly cost us games. If that is what you consider a totally acceptable time to go out and party with friends, then I guess that is your problem.

Choose your group wisely.

I know DD and KRuss have...

 

[IrishLax]

This sentence is just hilarious for a few different reasons. Really shows how confusing the Constitution can be to the average person I guess.

Freedom assembly, alcohol is legal for those 21 years of age and older.... please, show me where I'm wrong.

 

[ndftbl]

Seems around here lately opinions aren't welcome if they don't align with others.

Then again, that's just my opinion

I am kind of new to the board, but I agree that posters are probably smarter and more observant than other posters think.

I see very few comments on this board that are not arguably correct.

 

[Fbolt]

The way I see this is some posters are hating life because some players they never met are under investigation for an academic violation. Note the under investigation-meaning they may or may not be guilty.

Because the posters are hating life, the 20 year old kid should be hating life. I get that, however irrational it may be. Note the irrational part.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I haven't gone back and read everything in this thread, but I think the idea behind people expressing concern about those guys being at the bar is "have you no shame?" Personally, I don't have a huge issue with them being out, but the optics aren't great.

 

[IrishLax]

The way I see this is some posters are hating life because some players they never met are under investigation for an academic violation. Note the under investigation-meaning they may or may not be guilty.

Because the posters are hating life, the 20 year old kid should be hating life. I get that, however irrational it may be. Note the irrational part.

Well put and there isn't much else to say. A group of people that these players who are causing them displeasure are out trying to have fun themselves. Seems small... and quite irrational.

 

[greyhammer90]

Freedom assembly, alcohol is legal for those 21 years of age and older.... please, show me where I'm wrong.

It's hilarious because we're not Congress and we're not passing a law that says they can't do it. We're judging them as individuals based on their actions in private on a discussion board.

It's like if someone got drunk, hit on your girlfriend, and said "Notre Dame sucks" to you. Then you came over to me and said, "Man I wish that guy would go away and stop drinking so much because it's pretty immature." and I responded with "WELL THAT'S HIS RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN BRO."

That's not the point. I'm not suggesting they make a law saying suspended students can't drink. I'm saying that they're being immature *ssholes by doing it.

 

[greyhammer90]

I haven't gone back and read everything in this thread, but I think the idea behind people expressing concern about those guys being at the bar is "have you no shame?" Personally, I don't have a huge issue with them being out, but the optics aren't great.

Bingo. It's not "revenge", it's disappointing as a fan of those guys though.

 

[IrishLion]

I don't think there is a right answer to the debate that's going on. On one hand, maybe the guys should lay low for a bit while the storm passes, stay off the radar (because the perception might be that they don't care, whether it's true or not).

On the other hand, you can't expect these guys to sit inside and sulk. They've got nothing else going on, and they're in South Bend with their classmates; if everyone is gonna head to the club to hang out, why can't they do the same? They've got nothing else going on.

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle. They don't need to be on house arrest, but they don't need to be at the club every night either.

 

[greyhammer90]

I don't think there is a right answer to the debate that's going on. On one hand, maybe the guys should lay low for a bit while the storm passes, stay off the radar (because the perception might be that they don't care, whether it's true or not).

On the other hand, you can't expect these guys to sit inside and sulk. They've got nothing else going on, and they're in South Bend with their classmates; if everyone is gonna head to the club to hang out, why can't they do the same? They've got nothing else going on.

Maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle. They don't need to be on house arrest, but they don't need to be at the club every night either.

This is really the key point for me (also in response to gk's earlier post saying that these guys shouldn't have to stay home and play video games all day). I would say a large part of my opinion comes from that the fact that this is a continuing, ongoing thing. If Jimmy was like "Oh hey I saw some guys out tonight" I be more inclined to think "they just wanted to get out of their apartment, grab a beer, etc. etc." but that's not what's happening here. Jimmy has been telling us that he's been seeing them out almost every single night. That's a big distinction IMO.

 

[PANDFAN]

 

[greyhammer90]

 

[Woneone]

There are two groups of people right now:
1. People who realize that the players aren't in trouble for anything alcohol related, so going out to a bar with friends is irrelevant to cheating on papers. These people also realize that we live in America with general freedoms and its ridiculous to levy judgement on players for enjoying themselves with their peers in a totally normal activity.

2. Then there are the butthurt people who vindictively think that players should be banned from having fun and socializing because they are under investigation for academic misconduct. For some reason made an academic mistake and going to face those consequences => should be locked away in a nunnery 6 days a week where they perform penance for their sins, and only allowed out on Saturdays to play football for our enjoyment.

Choose your group wisely.

That's a really neat either-or fallacy.

The players should be allowed to go out, but that doesn't absolve them from public opinion based on those actions.

You can argue that those opinions shouldn't be rendered because the "outcome" of the investigation isn't final, or that you can't halt life, or whatever. However, here in reality, that doesn't happen, and to argue that it should is a battle that's already lost.

It's the notion of some personal accountability, or even shame (depending on if they did do something or not) and their part in something that, right or wrong, is a national story. Do they HAVE to stay low? No. But to argue that the only options are the extremes (hide in a corner or go out and party) isn't real fair. There is a middle ground, there always is, and that probably doesn't involve late nights at a bar.

As a hypothetical, if I was accused of something that would bring shame to my family/friends/ect, whether that be committing adultery, stealing from work, whatever, that got brought to the public forum, where everyone knew, the last thing I'd do would be to open myself up to further judgement, whether I was innocent or not, until the issue was resolved.

 

[RDU Irish]

First of all, maybe KRuss and DD are not 21 and Ishaq and Kendall are. Their absence may be a "choice" not to illegally enter a bar while under scrutiny. Guess what, live your damn life and if people have a problem with it maybe they need to mind their own damn business. Besides, YOU GUYS ARE ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW THEY ARE GUILTY. A) if I'm going to be sentenced, I would rather spend my last night with some buddies at a bar than holed up in my dorm room feeling sorry for myself. B) If innocent, I'd be pretty pissed about being run through the mud for no good reason and would want to vent about the BS with some buddies over a few drinks. So in either case, I would be doing what they were doing.

Have any of you ever responded to someone in a shit situation by saying "lets go get a drink" or is this wrong because these people should mope in private?

WTF do you want these guys to do? They can't practice and have more time on their hands than they EVER have while on campus. Why the hell wouldn't you go have a drink with some buddies and try to get your mind off the BS you are going through?

I don't understand why they WOULDN'T be out have a few given the circumstances.

 

[IrishLion]

Jimmy has been telling us that he's been seeing them out almost every single night. That's a big distinction IMO.

To play devil's advocate, that doesn't mean they're out getting stupid like some heathens, does it? I mean, if everyone in their social circle is like, "what do you all want to do tonight?" and the response is, "I don't know, let's go hang out at the club," why not? If they've got nothing going on, and their friends are all out at the club, why not go hang with them?

My group of friends went through a phase for a few years in college where we went to this bar downtown almost every night. Some nights we aimed to get wild, some nights we were just there because it was better than staying in.

I think the problem arises if these guys are getting blasted and trying to put out the intense vibe at the bar every night, which we don't know for sure.

 

[IrishLax]

It's hilarious because we're not Congress and we're not passing a law that says they can't do it. We're judging them as individuals based on their actions in private on a discussion board.

So to summarize... when I said they had the right to do what they're doing, I was 100% accurate. Thanks.

It's like if someone got drunk, hit on your girlfriend, and said "Notre Dame sucks" to you. Then you came over to me and said, "Man I wish that guy would go away and stop drinking so much because it's pretty immature." and I responded with "WELL THAT'S HIS RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN BRO."

Laughable false equivalency. What I've said, consistently, is that because this is a legal and normal activity, it is ridiculous to level judgement towards it. If it was either abnormal or illegal, then I'd find it reasonable to judge.

Your example is not a normal activity.

If your point is simply that they're being "immature a-holes", then I'd ask that you just expand on what exactly is immature or a-holish about going out to socialize with friends at a place frequented by the general Notre Dame populous. Especially if you consider they have tons of free time on their hands now that they're not practicing... even if you account for all classes/homework... so they have to do something with it. I won't fault them for choosing to socialize with that time and I'm surprised many of you do.

 

[RDU Irish]

So to summarize... when I said they had the right to do what they're doing, I was 100% accurate. Thanks.



Laughable false equivalency. What I've said, consistently, is that because this is a legal and normal activity, it is ridiculous to level judgement towards it. If it was either abnormal or illegal, then I'd find it reasonable to judge.

Your example is not a normal activity.

If your point is simply that they're being "immature a-holes", then I'd ask that you just expand on what exactly is immature or a-holish about going out to socialize with friends at a place frequented by the general Notre Dame populous.

Wait, I thought you were a lacrosse player? That isn't normal behavior for you?