Rumored Violations

[Crazy Balki]

Same poster on DD is saying he's hearing Hegarty would be starting at LT if the depth chart were decided today. Could be a typo, but in all likelihood this just means he's completely full of shit.

Pretty sure he meant LG. If that's the case, then he's right as of now. The starting 5 was Stanley, Hegarty, Martin, Lombard and Elmer from left to right.

 

[domerfreak]

gotta admit im still in denial here....

 

[BGIF]

I can't seem to grasp why the players would be gone for the whole season and/or expelled if this is their first offense. Wasn't the case with Golson he got his second strike and then had to leave for a semester? Why is this case different?

Golson claimed he made an error in judgement on a test, one test.


In the current situation the gravity of infraction(s) as well as the frequency of incidents are significant.


IF it was one paper, or one assignment, that would be one offense.

IF was it repeated multiple times I would expect that to be multiple offenses.

IF it was done in multiple classes and/or multiple semesters demonstrating a pattern, I'd call that toast.

 

[NDBoiler]

At this point no one can grasp anything to do with this. It's all guesses, speculation, theory and a picture of a cute blond we all would do.

After watching BKs presser and interview with Nolan from yesterday,I get the feeling that he believes that at least some of the suspended players will be back fairly soon. Just the way he worded his comments when talking about them had a lot of implications of this to me. Hopefully that comes to fruition.

 

[Irishbounty28]

After watching BKs presser and interview with Nolan from yesterday,I get the feeling that he believes that at least some of the suspended players will be back fairly soon. Just the way he worded his comments when talking about them had a lot of implications of this to me. Hopefully that comes to fruition.

Kelly definitely knows more than he is letting out, and his attitude in these last few interviews/press conferences is pretty good. That would lead me to believe that he feels good about something. Otherwise he is taking it really, really well from the outside looking in. Obviously he isn't going to go full meltdown about the situation even if it was all bad news, but like you said I think he already has a feeling who will be back and who won't. Just my thoughts.

 

[Irish YJ]

 

[woolybug25]

I would do all of pink shirts homework if she let me bang.

That's fo shizzle.

 

[Irish#1]

You are all animals! Jesus! haha

This really surprises you?

 

[wizards8507]

Golsen claimed he made an error in judgement on a test, one test.


In the current situation the gravity of infraction(s) as well as the frequency of incidents are significant.


IF it was one paper, or one assignment, that would be one offense.

IF was it repeated multiple times I would expect that to be multiple offenses.

IF it was done in multiple classes and/or multiple semesters demonstrating a pattern, I'd call that toast.

It also makes a difference whether you admit it or not. I might be the only one here who's BEEN through a Notre Dame honor code investigation so I can speak from experience. If you admit everything, they give you an F and you get on with your life. If you deny everything and it goes to the Honor Committee, you're potentially in much hotter water.

That's how it is when it comes to being a student. I can't speak to how it impacts your ability to compete in a varsity sport.

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[IrishLion]

Butter face.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Kelly definitely knows more than he is letting out, and his attitude in these last few interviews/press conferences is pretty good. That would lead me to believe that he feels good about something. Otherwise he is taking it really, really well from the outside looking in. Obviously he isn't going to go full meltdown about the situation even if it was all bad news, but like you said I think he already has a feeling who will be back and who won't. Just my thoughts.

I wasn't going to bring this up, but there are some statements Kelly has made that don't quite fit in to the status quo narrative of this whole thing.

Some revolve around when the individuals knew they were being investigated. If this thing happened and they investigated these guys from July 29th to August 15th without giving these guys any indication that they were investigating them, including the girl who most accounts have as being the one that tied all of the incidents together, so it was sprung on everyone with no warning, that would be one thing.

Now I have never been involved in an incident like this at ND, it is true. But I sat on a oversight board at two other institutions of higher learning, and I cannot think of a case in the general area of academic dishonesty where the subject of the investigation didn't have an idea that they were being investigated. In fact, I always found it funny, the worse the case, it seemed, the more paranoid the party became. Just like clockwork. It was kid of humorous; but I digress . . .

Anyway. He didn't have any idea until Jack called him, yet he or his staff had no contact with any of the individuals, even in notifying them that they shouldn't practice. I understand why he would conduct himself the way he is, but there are just some things that are off.

Carried forward to yesterday, when Kelly had the ultimate gem. To paraphrase, Kelly wouldn't have a problem with any of the four attending a position meeting, but to the best of his knowledge, none had. After Anna Hickey reported a KVR citing . . .

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[NDRock]

I just always assume a football coach is lying when he's speaking to the media.

 

[BGIF]

...


After Anna Hickey reported a KVR citing . . .

A little Honor Code humor?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Not sure of anything. We don't know if this would be KVR, Moore or Williams' first offense. This would be at least Daniels' 2nd strike, though his wasn't for academic dishonesty, but just failing.

There was always a rumor that DD was involved with the EG incident. But since then most sources, including DD and his dad have indicated that his entire incident was a problem with a statistics class that rendered him ineligible from a low GPA. That is not the same as academic dishonesty.

In addition to people calling all of this scandals, salacious bastards! I don't get the erroneous urge to call DD a past cheater! I would like to believe this is all something more than stereotypes, but I have an acquaintance who is a ND grad and a big member of one of the Alum chapters, and this person is balls to the wall, "Fire Kelly," and get rid of all "the substandard student athletes." Of which the demon Golson would be first!

I don't get it. NDSean, I don't see you as anything like this person, but I just can't get over the inaccuracies in these stories that are working against Kelly and these kids!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

A little Honor Code humor?

Emphasis on little.

 

[connor_in]

Because

I have missed your analytical abilities!

 

[wizards8507]

But since then most sources, including DD and his dad have indicated that his entire incident was a problem with a statistics class that rendered him ineligible from a low GPA.

Low GPA might make you ineligible to compete in varsity athletics, but wasn't DD temporarily dismissed from the University itself? That indicates something more severe than low grades.

 

[connor_in]

I hope the investigation the administration at ND is doing will uncover how much money it will take to stop spamming up my Facebook page with videos of ice buckets.

Just for you Hog...Dave Grohl goes old school on his Ice Bucket...

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[IrishLax]

Low GPA might make you ineligible to compete in varsity athletics, but wasn't DD temporarily dismissed from the University itself? That indicates something more severe than low grades.

Not necessarily, if you have a low GPA you go on academic probation. If you don't bring your GPA up after that you can have a whole range of things happen to you.

 

[woolybug25]

I hope the investigation the administration at ND is doing will uncover how much money it will take to stop spamming up my Facebook page with videos of ice buckets.

The next person that send me an ice bucket challenge is getting a "Pot of Boiling Water Challenge" from me.

Your move, ND... your move.

 

[IrishLax]

It also makes a difference whether you admit it or not. I might be the only one here who's BEEN through a Notre Dame honor code investigation so I can speak from experience. If you admit everything, they give you an F and you get on with your life. If you deny everything and it goes to the Honor Committee, you're potentially in much hotter water.

That's how it is when it comes to being a student. I can't speak to how it impacts your ability to compete in a varsity sport.

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This is what makes me really pessimistic about everything. I've never been through an honor code investigation personally, but I had two friends who did.

One had a paper stolen from them. Without getting into too much detail, a friend didn't do his work and decided to hop on his laptop and ripoff a lab report verbatim. Then another friend ripped off a paragraph from the kid who stole the paper not knowing he'd taken it without permission from my one friend. The two kids who got in trouble were person A and person C because they had the same TA/grader... for person C having one paragraph that wasn't his. Person C completely fell on the sword and basically said "look, it's not Person's A's fault at all because..." while Person A rightfully said they did nothing wrong. Both kids got zeros on their assignments even though Person A literally did nothing wrong. Person B, who was the most at fault of anyone, got in zero trouble.

Next I had a friend who decided to copy code from another friend. Copying code is probably the most gray area of plagiarism, because there IS a most efficient way to write code, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that two sections of code would be virtually identical. They both fought it and were told by the professor "sign this and take a zero on the assignment or at the hearing I'm going to get both of you Fs in the class and kicked out of school."

Simply put... in general, the academics at ND from limited experience, pull zero punches with honor code stuff. There are no exceptions or "reasonable doubt"... there IS pre-trial diversion in most cases but it looks like we're past that at this point.

 

[connor_in]

Just FYI...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/ncaafootball/notre-dame-is-rocked-by-charges-of-academic-cheating.html?_r=0

Maybe its just me but the article doesn't sound as bad as what the title seems it will be

 

[Irish Insanity]

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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Just FYI...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/ncaafootball/notre-dame-is-rocked-by-charges-of-academic-cheating.html?_r=0

Maybe its just me but the article doesn't sound as bad as what the title seems it will be

I thought the article was an example of true journalism, not sensationalism. He pointed out what has happened and then concluded with the two possibilities. If it turns out to be a bigger ordeal, he'll have a great follow up piece. If it doesn't, he did the story justice for what little legs it had.

 

[OCIrish]

Golsen claimed he made an error in judgement on a test, one test.


In the current situation the gravity of infraction(s) as well as the frequency of incidents are significant.


IF it was one paper, or one assignment, that would be one offense.

IF was it repeated multiple times I would expect that to be multiple offenses.

IF it was done in multiple classes and/or multiple semesters demonstrating a pattern, I'd call that toast.

Not disputing Golson, because I don't know first hand, but I was told by a ND student something similar to what FWIrish was told, only I had heard Golson had been warned 2-3 different times about cheating on his tests, and I do mean plural. Golson wasn't caught cheating just once, but multiple times, and the professor couldn't look away from his last occurrence.

 

[TheChosen1]

Cowherd again sticking up for the Irish.

 

[#1rish]

Not disputing Golson, because I don't know first hand, but I was told by a ND student something similar to what FWIrish was told, only I had heard Golson had been warned 2-3 different times about cheating on his tests, and I do mean plural. Golson wasn't caught cheating just once, but multiple times, and the professor couldn't look away from his last occurrence.

I thought that he didn't cheat on the tests, but he let other cheat off of him a bunch of times?

 

[tko]

Cowherd again sticking up for the Irish.

You serious, Clark?

 

[woolybug25]

I thought that he didn't cheat on the tests, but he let other cheat off of him a bunch of times?

Haha... No.

 

[wizards8507]

You serious, Clark?

Cowherd has always praised ND student-athletes.