Rumored Violations

[dublinirish]

As long as they like football. There are a lot of students that don't care about athletics.

indeed, and don't forget it was a student who ratted on EG and wasn't afraid of the consequences

 

[Irish#1]

And that is most likely who the trust committee is made up of. I imagine individuals that are part of this would be pretty stringent on issues like this because they probably take their studies very seriously themselves.

That's my concern.

I can't relisten to the interview but that's what I thought I heard. Even if they don't they're going to lean towards leniency. You don't want to be known as the guy who held the players off of the team around ND.

Those that are there for academics and don't care about football probably won't care what others think.

 

[JughedJones]

And that is most likely who the trust committee is made up of. I imagine individuals that are part of this would be pretty stringent on issues like this because they probably take their studies very seriously themselves.

the horror!

 

[dublinirish]

That's my concern.



Those that are there for academics and don't care about football probably won't care what others think.

they still bitter they didn't get into an Ivy League school

 

[Irish Insanity]

Listening to my local sports radio show. Michigan and Michigan State fans as hosts. They just did a short bit on it. Commended ND for investigating themselves and putting academics first. Said more Universities should do it our way. Also wrapped it in with Clarret speaking to the team. Mention in speaking with the team he spoke of his schooling which most classes were made for him to show up weeks 8-10 only and do a project to pass the class. No need for the other weeks.

 

[koonja]

Can someone listen to that interview (3 mins). Like I said I would but I can't. I want to know if that's what he said, that they're likely to face a student body committee.

Anyone have knowledge of this?

 

[NDohio]

So, just catching up this AM. Is it true that Koon's dog got loose in C-Bus and tripped Braxton Miller while he was out jogging and now pOSU's season is on the brink?

 

[MNIrishman]

they still bitter they didn't get into an Ivy League school

Not usually that much overlap in applications. ND achieved greatness in part because of the fact that it embraced a blue collar mentality espousing Catholicism and hard work instead of a WASPy mentality embracing elitism and bigotry. I know you're joking but there are some schools, like Cornell and Dartmouth, that mostly exist to catch Harvard's leavings. ND just isn't one of them.

 

[Irish YJ]

Been getting a lot of feedback from my SEC surroundings...... Like the above, a good majority are commending the University for taking quick action of their own.

While I'm happy that they got out in front of it, not the biggest fan of the way they did it.
That said, being a fan may impact my judgment. Hearing all the praise, especially from SEC fans,,,,, maybe I shouldn't be as critical of their approach.

Still pretty torn, but I will say the general public so far (not the media, not ND fans, not crazies), has been pretty complimentary.

 

[johnnycando]

ND Football will always be a cash cow. It's synonymous with the university, and although some would hope it doesn't overshadow the university's academic prowess, the truth is when most of the populous sees anything Notre Dame, many think football. They think Rockne, Rocket, Lou Holtz, Ara Parseghian, and unfortunately as of late they also think Manti and catfish, the whoopin' we took against Alabama, and Golson. Now add one more major negative to the list.

Only the kids can reverse the tide, but the athletic program at Notre Dame will always be premier and important.

If the administration vacates wins, that definitely sucks. BUT, it also shows the world that though ND isn't immune from the bullshit related to college athletes, they at least try to handle things the right way, right away.

It may be a little "Opus Dei" self-inflicted to the point of "Wow!," but Notre Dame still leads. They don't follow.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Clemson, Auburn, Michigan, Southern Cal, etc.

 

[Irishbounty28]

Can someone listen to that interview (3 mins). Like I said I would but I can't. I want to know if that's what he said, that they're likely to face a student body committee.

Anyone have knowledge of this?

That is what he said Koon. I just listened to it for ya.

 

[koonja]

That is what he said Koon. I just listened to it for ya.

Thanks. Interesting. I knew they had to face a board, but I didn't know it was made up of students.

Well I'd imagine no decision will be made public on the 4 players until at least Tuesday of next week then.

 

[BobD]

I don't care what others think of us.

All I can do is wait and see on this situation.

11 days!

GO IRISH GO!

 

[woolybug25]

I've actually been quite surprised. Most of the dialogue on ESPN, talk radio, etc has been positive regarding the decision. Even if they find a way to spin it into an insult, the main point is that we made a tough decision that most of college football wouldn't make themselves.

 

[absoluteirish59]

Very disappointing all of this? I'm 37 and I can't ever remember these types of things happening here. 4 incidents in the last 15 months involving academics. Golson, Daniels 1st time, grant from the bball squad and now these four poor souls.

 

[IrishLion]

Wait wait wait.... Koon's dog gets out and has free roam of Columbus, and then it turns out that Braxton Miller may miss the upcoming season with an injury?

Coincidence? I think not.

Someone build a statue of that dog.*



*DISCLAIMER: This was a joke. I find it horrible for Miller that he may miss the season, but I do NOT find it horrible that Navy is going to whoop Ohio State's ass now. Keenan Reynolds is the truth.

 

[woolybug25]

Very disappointing all of this? I'm 37 and I can't ever remember these types of things happening here. 4 incidents in the last 15 months involving academics. Golson, Daniels 1st timew, grant from the bball squad and now these four poor souls.

Ha... what are you talking about? You don't ever remember a time where Notre Dame students failed classes? DD was simply academically ineligible for a semester. Give me a break.

 

[tussin]

The bar has been set. I think ND now has to have a national press conference any time it is looking at any student for academic dishonesty.

 

[Grahambo]

Completely irrelevant, athletes aren't employees. But thats a different thread.

Point remains they are adults and there are laws. Phil needs to chill. You want to be treated like an adult then act like one. ND isn't going to tell mommy and daddy.

Exactly. Notre Dame's PR in a nutshell.

Disagree. PR is fine to me. What I see is a power struggle. It's like a fight inside a bar being dragged outside for the public to see.

People want to get on the PR but are forgetting what the world was like after the news leaked. Then when the presser was over 8 hours later, people chilled out and have been getting praised for the way they are handling it.

ND isn't some run of the mill shit hole. They are a money making educational business with a reputation to uphold. Did it start with a silly, forwarded email or some little girl crying foul? Sounds like it but it was pushed by those in higher positions of authority.

You should only be so lucky to have Father Jenkins and Swarbrick fighting back.

Again, this is what happens when a power struggle turns public.


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[Bogtrotter07]

Point remains they are adults and there are laws. Phil needs to chill. You want to be treated like an adult then act like one. ND isn't going to tell mommy and daddy.




Disagree. PR is fine to me. What I see is a power struggle. It's like a fight inside a bar being dragged outside for the public to see.

People want to get on the PR but are forgetting what the world was like after the news leaked. Then when the presser was over 8 hours later, people chilled out and have been getting praised for the way they are handling it.

ND isn't some run of the mill shit hole. They are a money making educational business with a reputation to uphold. Did it start with a silly, forwarded email or some little girl crying foul? Sounds like it but it was pushed by those in higher positions of authority.

You should only be so lucky to have Father Jenkins and Swarbrick fighting back.

Again, this is what happens when a power struggle turns public.


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Thanks for your insight!

You know, off from a different angle, I watched the tape on Philip Daniels, and I was shocked. I have had absolutely no impression of the guy prior to watching the tape. Others have made derogatory comparisons to other monster parents, but I have generally let those opinions roll off. So I was shocked when I saw the interview. I could really emphasize with the guy. Is he used to the ND approach? No. Is he a genuinely concerned parent? Yes. He gave me all the signals that he was concerned but not overly involved. And he seemed to offer a between the lines explanation. He or his wife even proofed his son's papers. Some people who can master many things, just cannot write.

That got me thinking in a different direction. All this talk about problems with the program! What real problems? This program has had few if any problems compared to almost anyone else. The fact that we make Golson a big issue for the world to see, doesn't mean he isn't small potatoes compared to stuff that gets swept under the rug at many other places. And what is the commonality of the hysteric approach to the "problems" at ND and with Kelly? Classism.

From Pinkett's conversation to these four players, there has been a theme of elitism versus the working class image the football team promotes. God forbid there is a Caucasian, upper middle-class young lady that may have had a lascivious relationship with one or more of these young athletes. (What kind of example is that?)

My point isn't that everyone at ND is racist or classist. There are many people at ND that are clearly color blind, and have populist roots. The point is these old feelings and stereotypes are always present to color and influence a situation like this and distort what would otherwise be a pretty straight forward situation. I have no knowledge of anything relevant to this situation, but I have merely tried to present a scenario where, without a major conspiracy, thinks could get pretty keyed up over a less dramatic situation, one that gets carried away until it is blown out of proportion by media from coast to coast.

 

[absoluteirish59]

Ha... what are you talking about? You don't ever remember a time where Notre Dame students failed classes? DD was simply academically ineligible for a semester. Give me a break.

Of course kids fail classes. They're kids. I meant I've never seen it being released as a "scandal"

 

[NDdomer2]

KOON - I believe if you go back to the press conference with Jack and the Godfather, that he references that when it goes to a hearing that it is comprised of students and faculty. This is part of the process laid out in the student handbook. or something along those lines.

 

[woolybug25]

Of course kids fail classes. They're kids. I meant I've never seen it being released as a "scandal"

When was DaVaris' first academic issue ever referred to as a scandal? He simply didn't make grades.

The media already tries hard enough to lump unassociated things together to make us look worse than we are. We don't need to do it too.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

KOON - I believe if you go back to the press conference with Jack and the Godfather, that he references that when it goes to a hearing that it is comprised of students and faculty. This is part of the process laid out in the student handbook. or something along those lines.

One could go on for hours, or one could ask BGIF or another knowledgeable source. I thought there was a movement by Fr. Jenkins, to remove the old Major Frank Burns, and get some progressive, younger blood involved. And in that as a point of fact they widened student involvement, as it had been curtailed a bit in the previous era. (or Epoch., whatever.)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

When was DaVaris' first academic issue ever referred to as a scandal? He simply didn't make grades.

The media already tries hard enough to lump unassociated things together to make us look worse than we are. We don't need to do it too.

That is a perfect example of many disparate sources playing in concert to blow this thing up from a mole hill to a rather large mountain, like I alluded to in my recent post. People don't like a certain athlete because of his personality, or whatever, and they go gunning. As soon as something is leaked, you have the prurient causes promoted by those from the opposite side that want to arouse as much as possible, in both the fan base, and among haters!

Just think, what do members of the fan base, and the haters have in common? They both salivate to the same commands!

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

If this is an on-going investigation, the students who make up the panel would've likely already been involved and possibly asked to show up early. I highly doubt we are waiting for students to arrive, although I could be very wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to make student athletes wait on other students to find out if they will be attending school in the fall. These are the athletes that chose our university because they believe it would give them a chance to succeed. Being held out of practice and having your future undetermined a few days before the semester begins and a week before the season starts doesn't bode well for the university.

 

[JughedJones]

If this is an on-going investigation, the students who make up the panel would've likely already been involved and possibly asked to show up early. I highly doubt we are waiting for students to arrive, although I could be very wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to make student athletes wait on other students to find out if they will be attending school in the fall. These are the athletes that chose our university because they believe it would give them a chance to succeed. Being held out of practice and having your future undetermined a few days before the semester begins and a week before the season starts doesn't bode well for the university.

Well, the university has made it clear that cheating doesn't bode well for your future.

So...

 

[NDdomer2]

If this is an on-going investigation, the students who make up the panel would've likely already been involved and possibly asked to show up early. I highly doubt we are waiting for students to arrive, although I could be very wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to make student athletes wait on other students to find out if they will be attending school in the fall. These are the athletes that chose our university because they believe it would give them a chance to succeed. Being held out of practice and having your future undetermined a few days before the semester begins and a week before the season starts doesn't bode well for the university.

they ARE attending school in the fall. The PC made that very clear they are not suspended from school or from their scholarship privileges. They are simply being investigated and withheld from practice. I do think it would be wrong to think a select few students should have to drop their summer plans to show up a week early because of some bad choices.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Well, the university has made it clear that cheating doesn't bode well for your future.

So...

So you are saying they did cheat?

they ARE attending school in the fall. The PC made that very clear they are not suspended from school or from their scholarship privileges. They are simply being investigated and withheld from practice. I do think it would be wrong to think a select few students should have to drop their summer plans to show up a week early because of some bad choices.

Good point, I forgot they are still allowed to attend classes. I can understand this line of reasoning as well.

 

[Grahambo]

they ARE attending school in the fall. The PC made that very clear they are not suspended from school or from their scholarship privileges. They are simply being investigated and withheld from practice. I do think it would be wrong to think a select few students should have to drop their summer plans to show up a week early because of some bad choices.

I get this sentiment but if you took the position knowing what can possibly happen then you have no grounds. Welcome to the real world.

I get my days off cancelled; life happens. In fact, I am only entitled to 1 day off every pay period (2 weeks).