loomis41973
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Guy got a bit crazy the last few years.
RIP Stephen Hawking
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irish o'phile
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I didn't realize he was 76. That seems like an old age to live to given his Dx.
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Odd that an atheist that led many away from Jesus is being praised here.
NorthDakota
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I applaud his contributions to science. Nothing more.
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RIP? Really???
This dude is definitely not resting in peace right now.
This dude is definitely not resting in peace right now.
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To be fair, that describes a lot of people haha.
On a serious note, I will say a prayer for him at Mass this weekend. I have a feeling his soul needs all the help it can get...and then some.
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Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord
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This site has become a lessor place. What a fucking thread.
Even with ALS this dude did more to advance our understanding of the cosmos and our place in it than any of us put together.
I was personally changed by "A Brief History in Time." I read that book many, many times.
RIP Steven. You expanded my horizons like few before.
Even with ALS this dude did more to advance our understanding of the cosmos and our place in it than any of us put together.
I was personally changed by "A Brief History in Time." I read that book many, many times.
RIP Steven. You expanded my horizons like few before.
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Wingman Ray
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Sorry to get you bent Cackalacky. But the fact is the guy was Anti-God and did everything he could to turn people from God. Your praise of his advancement of our understanding is another persons condemnation for grieving the Holy Spirit. It comes down to where a persons heart and mind is. The Word clearly says if you arent for God, you are against Him.
If you have ANY faith and/or knowledge of God's Word then you will know this guy is NOT resting anywhere near peace.
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I don't know that, and YOU don't know that. Only God does. Who's to say that when judgement came, he didn't see the error in trying to do so? At any rate, he was a brilliant man who advanced our understandings of the universe. His abilities will be missed wherever he may be.
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Something, something science. Something, something new horizon, and advancements and brilliance.
RIP S Hawking
RIP S Hawking
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I hear what you're saying wingman, but as a person of faith, it isn't my responsibility to judge someone. Each individual must work out their own salvation and stand before God and give their own account. My prayer is that he did just that.
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Another perspective........
I imagine a guy who had no spirituality in his upbringing and, as a young unguided fellow, fell into the well-known "no thought about religion" syndrome during his college days (which, if some here are honest with themselves, probably hit several IE'ers --- probably me too if I wasn't guided by being at Notre Dame.) I find him difficult to rail upon at this stage in his story.
Then he joins the uber-elite physics fraternity, composed of mainly reductionist materialists with a scattering of mainly-silent spiritual scientists who have been regularly told that religion has no place in scientific talks or publications, and they accept that as true in science-only activities. So his early reductionist thoughtlessness persists with no good reason, that he can see, to change. Misguided and Unguided? Yes. Highly blamable? Probably not.
Then, as he is making his breakthrough mathematics, his ALS disease sets in. He is being smashed by his reductionist Universe and its inexorable laws, but it's awfully hard for him to see a Loving God as an alternative. He's angry and is not about to suddenly "Find Jesus." It would be nice to get an angelic cure or even a visitation then, but no. One useless psychological response to such a situation is to strike out at those who believe differently than you have done your whole life. Where's this god? he asks. We Catholics cringe at this, and cannot "educate" him on "why bad things happen to good people" or the requirement of such to allow Free Will (which he at base doesn't believe in anyway, so he goes on occasionally saying harmful atheistical things (all the time warrioring out his life and pushing theoretical physics.)
How do we sit on our own high chairs and judge this fellow? Do we hate the Sins but love the Sinner? Did the flow of this life offer him few if any opportunities to try to know God and break from atheism? I didn't follow him around. I don't know. God tells me not to judge. Though the self-oriented animal in me shouts "Justice!" The Holy Spirit taps that misplaced judgementalist on the spiritual shoulder and says "Shut Up!"
Hawking seems to me to have tried hard to live a productive life playing a hand which was dealt with some pretty extreme cards in it. His "breakthroughs" may, by the way, all turn out to be wrong or dead ends. Does that matter as far as God is concerned? I've (lately) viewed people like Hawking, Sagan, deGrasse Tyson as misguided intelligent micro-minds --- powerfully operating in very small realities. Their main roles may be as "tests of Faith." Do we think God can handle them or not? Sometimes I believe that the violence of one's disapproval is proportional to one's need for more Faith.
Stephen Hawking --- go to your "reward" whatever that is. In my spirituality, we'll both end up in some Purgatorial condition with a lot of "spiritual housecleaning" to do. Maybe we'll be working alongside one another trying to fully join the Mystical Body.
I imagine a guy who had no spirituality in his upbringing and, as a young unguided fellow, fell into the well-known "no thought about religion" syndrome during his college days (which, if some here are honest with themselves, probably hit several IE'ers --- probably me too if I wasn't guided by being at Notre Dame.) I find him difficult to rail upon at this stage in his story.
Then he joins the uber-elite physics fraternity, composed of mainly reductionist materialists with a scattering of mainly-silent spiritual scientists who have been regularly told that religion has no place in scientific talks or publications, and they accept that as true in science-only activities. So his early reductionist thoughtlessness persists with no good reason, that he can see, to change. Misguided and Unguided? Yes. Highly blamable? Probably not.
Then, as he is making his breakthrough mathematics, his ALS disease sets in. He is being smashed by his reductionist Universe and its inexorable laws, but it's awfully hard for him to see a Loving God as an alternative. He's angry and is not about to suddenly "Find Jesus." It would be nice to get an angelic cure or even a visitation then, but no. One useless psychological response to such a situation is to strike out at those who believe differently than you have done your whole life. Where's this god? he asks. We Catholics cringe at this, and cannot "educate" him on "why bad things happen to good people" or the requirement of such to allow Free Will (which he at base doesn't believe in anyway, so he goes on occasionally saying harmful atheistical things (all the time warrioring out his life and pushing theoretical physics.)
How do we sit on our own high chairs and judge this fellow? Do we hate the Sins but love the Sinner? Did the flow of this life offer him few if any opportunities to try to know God and break from atheism? I didn't follow him around. I don't know. God tells me not to judge. Though the self-oriented animal in me shouts "Justice!" The Holy Spirit taps that misplaced judgementalist on the spiritual shoulder and says "Shut Up!"
Hawking seems to me to have tried hard to live a productive life playing a hand which was dealt with some pretty extreme cards in it. His "breakthroughs" may, by the way, all turn out to be wrong or dead ends. Does that matter as far as God is concerned? I've (lately) viewed people like Hawking, Sagan, deGrasse Tyson as misguided intelligent micro-minds --- powerfully operating in very small realities. Their main roles may be as "tests of Faith." Do we think God can handle them or not? Sometimes I believe that the violence of one's disapproval is proportional to one's need for more Faith.
Stephen Hawking --- go to your "reward" whatever that is. In my spirituality, we'll both end up in some Purgatorial condition with a lot of "spiritual housecleaning" to do. Maybe we'll be working alongside one another trying to fully join the Mystical Body.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RIP <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StephenHawking?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StephenHawking</a>: A triumphant life lived in the shadow of great suffering. The great thinker did not believe in God, but it seemed to me that his whole life was a revelation of God's love. May he rest in peace, and may the mysteries of the universe be fully revealed to him. <a href="https://t.co/h7DF5Wg5xy">pic.twitter.com/h7DF5Wg5xy</a></p>— James Martin, SJ (@JamesMartinSJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/973854738038042624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This.
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Either you believe in God according to man, as something undefined by man, or you just don't believe.
Regardless of the truth, i just hope that good actions translate into peace. If that is the afterlife or nothingness I just hope it's beautiful goodness or the absence of evil.
Regardless of the truth, i just hope that good actions translate into peace. If that is the afterlife or nothingness I just hope it's beautiful goodness or the absence of evil.
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