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I would buy all the Washington Drone gear on the planet if they changed the name to that.

 

[connor_in]

 

[Fbolt]

I cannot imagine this will hold up. Hilarious though. Hate the Washington Redskins!


U.S. Patent Office cancels Washington Redskins trademark - ESPN

 

[BobD]

Washington should stop worrying about the name and figure out how Marion Barry wins more than they do.

 

[GATTACA!]

I cannot imagine this will hold up. Hilarious though. Hate the Washington Redskins!


U.S. Patent Office cancels Washington Redskins trademark - ESPN

Yea Snider will just produce thousands of other racist or offensive patented items.

 

[Fbolt]

Hmmmm.... I'm not a native American and do not have their perspective.

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm sure this was a reference to my post above....my point was:

I'm just saying if this is an issue that REALLY REALLY affects people, then they should have no problem boycotting the NFL and their products. After all, the NFL has supported the name all these years.

If you're really personally disgusted by the name "Redskins" then don't support the NFL. Plain and simple. Put your proverbial money where your mouth is and boycott the league.

Chill brother. Money is one thing. Treating people in a respectful manner is another. I see both sides to this. The biggest question is at what point is something racist/offensive morally wrong to support?

 

[irishfan]

Chill brother. Money is one thing. Treating people in a respectful manner is another. I see both sides to this. The biggest question is at what point is something racist/offensive morally wrong to support?

My bad if I can across as hostile. I agree in the fact that I can see both sides to it as well. Clearly the term isn't really an "endearing" one. I'm more looking at it from Snyder's point of view in terms of it being his name/his property. The way this issue has been politicized has just annoyed me.

I'd prefer to see Snyder change the name due to a serious boycott as opposed to a government intervention was my point.

 

[Fbolt]

fighting irish

 

[Emcee77]

Redskins

Just posted this on another forum...

It's always struck me as weird that there are large number of Native American high schools that call themselves the Redskins. And through lacrosse I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of "real" Native Americans (by "real" I mean grew up in reservations and are very much immersed in Native American culture to the point that they learn one of their languages as primary not English)... and basically none of them had a problem with the Redskins. Small sample size, but they all had VERY negative things to say about the Cleveland Indians and their caricature mascot. Go figure.

I think you've seen a surge in anti-Redskin recently because a whole bunch of "progressive" white people always need a social injustice cause to champion, and there is a very vocal minority of Native Americans that DO find it offensive. The problem with being "offended" is that it is entirely subjective emotional response that any of us can have to any stimulus. What happens when a group of Irish people decide they're offended by Notre Dame's mascot?[p

Anyways, on the surface I don't really care whether the Washington Redskins change their name or not, but it makes me wonder where we draw the line in catering to a small group of people's hurt feelings. For Native American high schools with the mascot, what happens if 10 students out of the 1000 enrolled take offense to the mascot bu the other 990 like it? Do you cater that that 1%?

Some really good points, and a great question at the end. If I were the principal, I guess I just try to put myself in the shoes of the offended students. Ask myself, If I were them, would I be offended, honestly? If yes, change the name because I can't look myself in the mirror if I know I am hurting people for no good reason. If no, then I respectfully decline to alter the traditional name. The best you can do is follow the dictates of your own conscience.

But I think that's a hard one. That's way harder than the situation where an entire ethnic group or the vast majority of an ethnic group is offended by a name. In that case, you don't have to ask yourself whether you'd be offended or not. You can just assume that, even if you don't think you'd be offended, that's only because of your own biases as a person of a different ethnic group. But where some people in the ethnic group are offended, but a significant number of others aren't, it gets tough.

 

[Norcal Irish]

Whats next....Atheists claim Los Angeles Angels is offensive? When will this end? What a joke.

 

[connor_in]

If a gay couple open-carries a firearm into a bakery and demands a Redskins wedding cake, can they be refused?

 

[connor_in]

Chill brother. Money is one thing. Treating people in a respectful manner is another. I see both sides to this. The biggest question is at what point is something racist/offensive morally wrong to support?

The govt is in charge of making everyone treat each other in a respectful manor?

 

[irishff1014]

The topic picture is a very true statement these days.

 

[irishff1014]

This a joke. DC Can't fix the problems we have now. It would show he buckled but i almost wish he would pull a Colts deal.

 

[Cackalacky]

The govt is in charge of making everyone treat each other in a respectful manor?

No.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I'm more offended by the Red Wings. Anyone who has earned those is a sick son of a bitch IMO.

 

[philipm31]

Why not just rename half of the United States in deference to the Native Indians? Not that the US government gave it crap ever before, but now, yeah, totally more important than every single thing we have wrong with this country.

Just a little FYI to the USPTO, there are 26 states with Native American names. Should we rename all of them?

 

[irishff1014]

Why not just rename half of the United States in deference to the Native Indians? Not that the US government gave it crap ever before, but now, yeah, totally more important than every single thing we have wrong with this country.

Just a little FYI to the USPTO, there are 26 states with Native American names. Should we rename all of them?

Harry Reid is part of the problem.

 

[Bluto]

I find all this outrage over a football team having to ditch the name "redskins" somewhat bemusing considering Will Mahone was roundly condemned on this board for calling a cop a "white boy".

 

[Cackalacky]

Why not just rename half of the United States in deference to the Native Indians? Not that the US government gave it crap ever before, but now, yeah, totally more important than every single thing we have wrong with this country.

Just a little FYI to the USPTO, there are 26 states with Native American names. Should we rename all of them?

C'mon man. The anglicization of Native American words is hardly close to the adoption of a racial epithet.

I don't necessarily agree with what that USPTO did FTR.

 

[philipm31]

C'mon man. The anglicization of Native American words is hardly close to the adoption of a racial epithet.

I don't necessarily agree with what that USPTO did FTR.

None of those states were Anglicized. They are the actual Native American names. Perhaps the pronunciation is Anglicized, but the names are Native American.

And a reminder of the Trail of Tears to Native Americans. Not to mention the fact that "real" Americans now trample all over Native American lands, essentially spitting in Native Americans faces for generations now.

But you do not hear any outcry over that. Which is worse, the name of one NFL team or a constant reminder of how your entire race and culture has been excised from American history, all in the name of "progress"?

Oh, and the fact that "real" Americans are actually descendants of the American "heroes" that raped, murdered and destroyed your people?

Obviously not an apples to apples comparison but still nobody in the American government of public has given a crap about Native American rights, etc., maybe EVER, until now.

Do we make the Braves, Indians, Illini, Seminoles et al all change their names now too?

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[IrishLax]

None of those states were Anglicized. They are the actual Native American names. Perhaps the pronunciation is Anglicized, but the names are Native American.

And a reminder of the Trail of Tears to Native Americans. Not to mention the fact that "real" Americans now trample all over Native American lands, essentially spitting in Native Americans faces for generations now.

But you do not hear any outcry over that. Which is worse, the name of one NFL team or a constant reminder of how your entire race and culture has been excised from American history, all in the name of "progress"?

Oh, and the fact that "real" Americans are actually descendants of the American "heroes" that raped, murdered and destroyed your people?

Obviously not an apples to apples comparison but still nobody in the American government of public has given a crap about Native American rights, etc., maybe EVER, until now.

Do we make the Braves, Indians, Illini, Seminoles et al all change their names now too?

Absolutely ridiculous.

The premise by which the trademarks were cancelled by a 2-1 vote is that "Redskins" is a disparaging, offensive slur. It would be a HUGE stretch to equate any of the terms you've referred to as "slurs."

 

[NCND]

Sooo, are they going to have to change the name or not? Thanks.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I find all this outrage over a football team having to ditch the name "redskins" somewhat bemusing considering Will Mahone was roundly condemned on this board for calling a cop a "white boy".

There is a distinct difference in basically telling a cop you are going to kill his white ass versus a team named Redskins.

 

[dublinirish]

also a big difference between a team called the Redskins and a university team called the Seminoles with the approval and backing of the Seminole tribe..

 

[connor_in]

12 Trademarks Declared Less Offensive Than Redskins | The Daily Caller

 

[Huntr]

Minor, nit-picking, huge freakin point:

The gov't hasn't said they can't be named the Redskins or that they have to change their name. Only that disparaging remarks can't be trademarked. Blame that on Harry Truman...

 

[connor_in]

Sooo, are they going to have to change the name or not? Thanks.

Saw this article and others like it yesterday as a current answer for your question:

Redskins Expect to Win Appeal: 'We've Seen This Story Before'

Also, I think I heard that while the appeal is progressing, they still have trademark protection.

 

[Cackalacky]

None of those states were Anglicized. They are the actual Native American names. Perhaps the pronunciation is Anglicized, but the names are Native American.

And a reminder of the Trail of Tears to Native Americans. Not to mention the fact that "real" Americans now trample all over Native American lands, essentially spitting in Native Americans faces for generations now.

But you do not hear any outcry over that. Which is worse, the name of one NFL team or a constant reminder of how your entire race and culture has been excised from American history, all in the name of "progress"?

Oh, and the fact that "real" Americans are actually descendants of the American "heroes" that raped, murdered and destroyed your people?

Obviously not an apples to apples comparison but still nobody in the American government of public has given a crap about Native American rights, etc., maybe EVER, until now.

Do we make the Braves, Indians, Illini, Seminoles et al all change their names now too?

Absolutely ridiculous.

Your above post?. Summed up in the bold.