Redskins

[ACamp1900]

I will be bummed if they change the logo... I personally have long thought that was one of the best looking logos in sports...

Still on Washington Warriors though...

 

[Cackalacky]

The 81-Year-Old Newspaper Article That Destroys The Redskins' Justification For Their Name | ThinkProgress

 

[zelezo vlk]

That Twitter thing failed miserably.

 

[Cackalacky]

That Twitter thing failed miserably.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>OK. RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Redskins">@Redskins</a>: Tweet <a href="https://twitter.com/SenatorReid">@SenatorReid</a> to show your <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RedskinsPride&src=hash">#RedskinsPride</a> and tell him what the team means to you. <a href="http://t.co/L9DBy0KSVA">pic.twitter.com/L9DBy0KSVA</a></p>— Jeb Lund (@Mobute) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mobute/statuses/472092879998185472">May 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Have you gotten your bounty today? <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RedskinsPride&src=hash">#RedskinsPride</a> <a href="http://t.co/XKrW0VRL32">pic.twitter.com/XKrW0VRL32</a></p>— gindaanis (@gindaanis) <a href="https://twitter.com/gindaanis/statuses/472416228917903360">May 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>this 2002 political cartoon become reality <a href="http://t.co/HVLA4E8JES">pic.twitter.com/HVLA4E8JES</a></p>— Ann Boobus (@a_girl_irl) <a href="https://twitter.com/a_girl_irl/statuses/452519305796526080">April 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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A bit. A bit.

 

[Cackalacky]

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/esma/2014/05/30/documenting-the-redskinspride-disaster/

 

[Huntr]

USPTO cancelled Redskins trademark on the basis of it being disparaging. Bye bye Redskins.

 

[dublinirish]

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[IrishLax]

Just posted this on another forum...

It's always struck me as weird that there are large number of Native American high schools that call themselves the Redskins. And through lacrosse I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of "real" Native Americans (by "real" I mean grew up in reservations and are very much immersed in Native American culture to the point that they learn one of their languages as primary not English)... and basically none of them had a problem with the Redskins. Small sample size, but they all had VERY negative things to say about the Cleveland Indians and their caricature mascot. Go figure.

I think you've seen a surge in anti-Redskin recently because a whole bunch of "progressive" white people always need a social injustice cause to champion, and there is a very vocal minority of Native Americans that DO find it offensive. The problem with being "offended" is that it is entirely subjective emotional response that any of us can have to any stimulus. What happens when a group of Irish people decide they're offended by Notre Dame's mascot?

Anyways, on the surface I don't really care whether the Washington Redskins change their name or not, but it makes me wonder where we draw the line in catering to a small group of people's hurt feelings. For Native American high schools with the mascot, what happens if 10 students out of the 1000 enrolled take offense to the mascot bu the other 990 like it? Do you cater that that 1%?

 

[IrishGlory]

Just posted this on another forum...

It's always struck me as weird that there are large number of Native American high schools that call themselves the Redskins. And through lacrosse I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of "real" Native Americans (by "real" I mean grew up in reservations and are very much immersed in Native American culture to the point that they learn one of their languages as primary not English)... and basically none of them had a problem with the Redskins. Small sample size, but they all had VERY negative things to say about the Cleveland Indians and their caricature mascot. Go figure.

I think you've seen a surge in anti-Redskin recently because a whole bunch of "progressive" white people always need a social injustice cause to champion, and there is a very vocal minority of Native Americans that DO find it offensive. The problem with being "offended" is that it is entirely subjective emotional response that any of us can have to any stimulus. What happens when a group of Irish people decide they're offended by Notre Dame's mascot?

Anyways, on the surface I don't really care whether the Washington Redskins change their name or not, but it makes me wonder where we draw the line in catering to a small group of people's hurt feelings. For Native American high schools with the mascot, what happens if 10 students out of the 1000 enrolled take offense to the mascot bu the other 990 like it? Do you cater that that 1%?

EXACTLY!!

Do we need to change the name of the Giants as to not offend "tall" people?

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Liberal politically correct politicians such as Harry Reid have more important things to do and worry about than the changing of the Washington Redsksins name.

 

[Cackalacky]

I don't think Giants were systematically slaughtered. But otherwise I agree with you. I am sympathetic to it but I see what Lax is getting at. At what point is a moral issue worth pursuing and is it even a moral issue to begin with. How many offended people is enough or not enough? I think Snyder believes it to be an economic issue and more than likely amoral in nature.

Who's right? You decide.

 

[IrishGlory]

Liberal politically correct politicians such as Harry Reid have more important things to do and worry about than the changing of the Washington Redsksins name.

True dat!!

 

[connor_in]

I don't get how we have all these calls for tolerance, but then at the same time, we apparently have the right to not be offended.

 

[MPClinton22]

I'm really just curious who these offended peoples are. If it truly is that millions of Native Americans are outraged and upset whenever they hear the name and see the logo, then maybe there is the need to change it. At that point, I suppose a simple change in name is worth saving millions of people emotional torment. However, I get the distinct feeling that this whole issue is really being pushed by non-Native Americans who feel they need to solve some TERRIBLE injustice that is occurring in America. If that's the case, then I say get over it and worry about actually solving many of the REAL problems that millions of people in this country face every day.

 

[irishfan]

I've kind of always been of the opinion that if the term "Redskins" offends you then don't watch their games/buy their gear. That's it.

 

[IrishGlory]

Side note--- I often wondered why the Bullets changed their name a while back because there are a lot more bullets in DC than there are Wizards. Proof is in the daily opening story on the local news.

 

[Huntr]

ITT: white ppl tell minorities they shouldn't be offended by racist remarks.

 

[GATTACA!]

I've kind of always been of the opinion that if the term "Redskins" offends you then don't watch their games/buy their gear. That's it.

But wait Irishman that can't be that's how a capitalist society is supposed to work. Instead we need to wine and complain and go social media sites so that our voices can be heard!


If I was Native American I would be more offended by the dumbass liberals that think I'm so helpless that they have to go out and defend me.

 

[gkIrish]

If I'm Dan Snyder I change the name to something that blatantly makes fun of this nonsense. I don't know what that would be but he should.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Just posted this on another forum...

It's always struck me as weird that there are large number of Native American high schools that call themselves the Redskins. And through lacrosse I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of "real" Native Americans (by "real" I mean grew up in reservations and are very much immersed in Native American culture to the point that they learn one of their languages as primary not English)... and basically none of them had a problem with the Redskins. Small sample size, but they all had VERY negative things to say about the Cleveland Indians and their caricature mascot. Go figure.

I think you've seen a surge in anti-Redskin recently because a whole bunch of "progressive" white people always need a social injustice cause to champion, and there is a very vocal minority of Native Americans that DO find it offensive. The problem with being "offended" is that it is entirely subjective emotional response that any of us can have to any stimulus. What happens when a group of Irish people decide they're offended by Notre Dame's mascot?

Anyways, on the surface I don't really care whether the Washington Redskins change their name or not, but it makes me wonder where we draw the line in catering to a small group of people's hurt feelings. For Native American high schools with the mascot, what happens if 10 students out of the 1000 enrolled take offense to the mascot bu the other 990 like it? Do you cater that that 1%?

Is this mainly on the East Coast?

The people I've been around around connected to Northern CA tribes seemed to lean towards the opposite.

IME the closer they get to be "real" Indian the less fond of the name they are and other things too...

I've seen some intense exchanges between Native guys and liberal white guys over what is what.

 

[IrishGlory]

I don't think Giants were systematically slaughtered. But otherwise I agree with you. I am sympathetic to it but I see what Lax is getting at. At what point is a moral issue worth pursuing and is it even a moral issue to begin with. How many offended people is enough or not enough? I think Snyder believes it to be an economic issue and more than likely amoral in nature.

Who's right? You decide.

Are you not considering the Giants/Panthers game last fall?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

ITT: white ppl tell minorities they shouldn't be offended by racist remarks.

Same people who get offended when they're asked to dial 1 for English. SMH

 

[irishfan]

If I'm Dan Snyder I change the name to something that blatantly makes fun of this nonsense. I don't know what that would be but he should.

When this debate first got serious a year or two ago, the joke I remember best was keeping the name and changing the logo to a redskin potato. That idea still cracks me up.

 

[IrishLax]

Is this mainly on the East Coast?

Almost exclusively Iroquois from New York/Canada.

 

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[condoms SUCk]

This is the taking of private property without due process, it's that simple
Go ahead and cheer the decision and claim moral outrage at the Redskin name, just remember, someone’s private property has been taken away by the government for no other reason than pure politics. That should send chills to everyone, no matter which side of the isle you sit on.

 

[Cackalacky]

ITT: white ppl tell minorities they shouldn't be offended by racist remarks.

Right? Just don't buy their gear and all is well....

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

This is the taking of private property without due process, it's that simple
Go ahead and cheer the decision and claim moral outrage at the Redskin name, just remember, someone’s private property has been taken away by the government for no other reason than pure politics. That should send chills to everyone, no matter which side of the isle you sit on.

Kind of ironic that we are talking about taking of property and Native Americans.

 

[woolybug25]

Kind of ironic that we are talking about taking of property and Native Americans.

Zing

 

[irishfan]

Right? Just don't buy their gear and all is well....

I'm sure this was a reference to my post above....my point was:

I'm just saying if this is an issue that REALLY REALLY affects people, then they should have no problem boycotting the NFL and their products. After all, the NFL has supported the name all these years.

If you're really personally disgusted by the name "Redskins" then don't support the NFL. Plain and simple. Put your proverbial money where your mouth is and boycott the league.