Quarterback Controversy 2016

[GoldenToTheGrave]

without "a Fuller" in next years offense I think MZ is the way to go...I worry DK wont be as good without Fuller as DK throws a hell of a deep ball, but the rest of the throws im still not sold, think MZ was doing much better on the out routes/slants/timing routes and overall accuracy.

cant believe you guys think/feel/say DK has a "more powerful arm" than malik.

I remember MZ throwing lazers on a rope in his (limited) action. reminded me a little of vick at va tech back in the day the way malik just flicked the ball--and it zipped out of his hands with nice velocity and accuracy.

anyone else feel this way?

Kizer has NFL arm strength, but Zaire still has a stronger arm. Zaire can almost overthrow Will Fuller on the go route, which is insane. We don't have enough tape on Zaire throwing the deep ball to say who's more consistently accurate on the long ball but neither are slouches by any stretch. Kizer still has a major issue in throwing intermediate balls into the ground, although it's hard to knock him too bad on it and he did get better in that regard.

The scary thing is that Wimbush may have the strongest arm of the three.

 

[RECON Daddy]

He's played in three games and left the third behind on the scoreboard. Let's cool the jets on the "all he does is win win win" talk. lol

He left the game with ND up 19-14.. On the previous possession he hit Fuller for a 59yd TD. We were driving again when injury took place.

 

[TheChosen1]

Anna with a strong point on Kyle Allen transferring.


If you're gonna have multiple QBs that can play, you better have a plan. ND will have 3 in the spring.

 

[Booslum31]

Anna with a strong point on Kyle Allen transferring.


If you're gonna have multiple QBs that can play, you better have a plan. ND will have 3 in the spring.

I'm most worried about the possibility of Wimbush transferring. Before Zaire went down I think it was his assumption that he would move ahead of Kizer over time...maybe even before next year.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Do you guys remember when people were saying that Wimbush might be ahead of Kizer on this fall's depth chart?

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[Irish2155]

Haven't had a chance to read through all of this, but will give my opinion.

Kizer is the dude, no doubt. But don't make it clear coming out of camp until need be. Give Milik redzone time where he is better than Kizer.

 

[Irish2155]

This QB talk...

All I'm worried about at this point is Kizer playing a healthy career at ND. If he he has a full two years we will be in a title hunt...next year and the year after. Just one, please!!

He'll be a Heisman candidate...

To add, NFL potential is off the charts. He'll probably win a Super Bowl too.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Do you guys remember when people were saying that Wimbush might be ahead of Kizer on this fall's depth chart?

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I'm saying that Wimbush might be ahead of both come August.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm saying that Wimbush might be ahead of both come August.

What do you put the odds of that at? Not being a Grinch, just curious.

 

[Irish2155]

All three are studs and will succeed if/when called upon. This offensive line is one of the best in the country with play makers all over the field. Plus we can run the ball on anybody. So a good place I'd say we are in... It has been a while.

 

[Irish2155]

I'm saying that Wimbush might be ahead of both come August.

You might be right but I'm not sure why you think this. Kizer is pretty damn good at 6'5 tossing darts and running (hold on to the ball though). Wimbush from all accounts will be good too.

Kizer is like #1 overall pick in the draft type good if he develops like he should over the next two years. I mean he is that good and it is all setup around him with OL and playmakers...(just like the other stud QBs too)

 

[koonja]

Wimbush is the only one we should be worried about leaving. If either kizer or Zaire leaves, it means they were beat out and Wimbush is still the backup. All I kmow is Wimbush better get that rs next year.

 

[Irish2155]

Wimbush is the only one we should be worried about leaving. If either kizer or Zaire leaves, it means they were beat out and Wimbush is still the backup. All I kmow is Wimbush better get that rs next year.

He'll red-shirt next year. It'll be Kizer and Zaire in '16. Malik, although not the "guy", will still have a big role in this offense next year...inside the 15 especially.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm saying that Wimbush might be ahead of both come August.

I'll put you and your vBucks all-in that (BARRING INJURY TO DK OR MZ) Wimbush not only is QB3 next year, but that he doesn't see a single regular season snap. LMK...

He'll red-shirt next year. It'll be Kizer and Zaire in '16. Malik, although not the "guy", will still have a big role in this offense next year...inside the 15 especially.

^^^ some variation of all of this

 

[ulukinatme]

Kizer between the 20's.

Zaire in the red zone.

Problem solved.

I would never bet against Malik.

Both these. There will be a competition in the spring and fall, nothing is locked up yet. For as good as Kizer has been, he was still #3 in the Spring and #2 when the season started. It's not like Zaire was awful. He had one bad half against Virginia, in a game where the entire offense struggled often because of the exotic blitzes. Zaire is the same QB that benched an explosive (And turnover prone) Golson, upset a talented LSU team, and destroyed Texas unlike any other team this year. Zaire is very driven, he wants to be the best in the country, and I don't see him giving up here. Things will be interesting if he comes back healthy. I expect Kizer will be the better pocket passer, while Zaire will still have the edge running the ball. Both QBs can run the entire offense though.

People keep pointing to the fact that Kizer is still a redshirt freshman and will only get better. There's no guarantee there, he could have just as easily hit his peak early, or he could suffer a Sophomore slump before regaining his footing. Golson looked pretty good as a freshman too, running a simplified offense. He struggled and made mental mistakes once he learned the full offense though. I'm not saying Kizer won't improve, but he was already pretty good in 2015. It's more likely that he makes minor improvements than big strides.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

and destroyed Texas unlike any other team this year. .

Trevone Boykin's 385 yards and 5 TDS in a 50-7 rout would like to have a word with you.

 

[PLACforever]

Ian Book

 

[ThePiombino]

Ian Book

No. Unless the controversy is over who gets to hold the clipboard.

 

[ickythump1225]

Open up the competition. We want the best offensive threat on the field and I can't decisively say that's Kizer. Can anyone?

Yes. Kizer, by the time next season rolls around will be a RS Sophomore with 11 starts underneath him to include the Fiesta Bowl against OSU. It's not like MZ was a multiyear starter where we can say, "yeah he is truly elite." MZ had 3 starts. 3. He looked good in 2 of them and shaky against UVA.

Kizer is bigger and has more arm talent. The only thing MZ has the edge on is running and if this was a RB competition I would be swayed by that. Even then, DK is more than capable at running with the ball. He had a historically great season for a Freshman at ND and I just don't think BK is going to pass on the very first opportunity he has had for QB stability to plug in Zaire who at this point is less experienced than DK.

 

[ulukinatme]

Trevone Boykin's 385 yards and 5 TDS in a 50-7 rout would like to have a word with you.

True, but Boykin stayed in the game slightly longer than Zaire did, we pulled the foot off the gas a little sooner. Zaire was more efficient than Boykin at 19-22, and he averaged more yards per play. Both certainly shredded Texas though. We ran a lot of time off the clock, TOP was 2:1 over Texas.

 

[CIrishWin]

Zaire starts we can actually score in the Red Zone so we blow more teams out Kizer plays

Redshirt Wimbush to get this year back

 

[Irish#1]

We really don't have a large sample size from MZ, but evidently he did enough to win the starters role last year. Win or lose against OSU, DK did a great job in stating his case. Will he look better in the spring with a season under his belt? He should, which may make this a mute point. Having said that there is no doubt in my mind that there will be an open competition next year. BK will put the player that gives us the best chance to win on the field. It's like a race car. It might be fast, but you're always looking to improve it, even it it's just a little bit.

 

[GoldenDome]

One thing Kizer has a distinct advantage is his height. I noticed that many defenses squeezed the pocket to contain the QB run element and because Kizer has the adequate height and throwing angle, he was able to deliver the ball with his Olinemen in his face due. It is hard to say that Zaire has this ability because of the lack of actual playing time, but you have to figure that it is on Kizer's favor.

 

[koonja]

So not saying he was bad, but my stock was higher in Kizer before this bowl game. Run game didn't help him, that's for sure. But he didn't run away with the job if you're looking at the final game. I'm excited for Zaire's crazy self to be full go again.

 

[IrishLion]

So not saying he was bad, but my stock was higher in Kizer before this bowl game. Run game didn't help him, that's for sure. But he didn't run away with the job if you're looking at the final game. I'm excited for Zaire's crazy self to be full go again.

He looked like a young guy that struggled against a very good defensive secondary after some time off.

I think Kizer should head into camp as the number one, but Zaire should be given every chance to take the job back.

 

[Ndaccountant]

He looked like a young guy that struggled against a very good defensive secondary after some time off.

I think Kizer should head into camp as the number one, but Zaire should be given every chance to take the job back.

I think it will depend on the direction of the offense. Without Fuller, the lack of proven WR production will probably have this team be more run based. If that is in fact the case, I would expect Zaire to be the man.

I think both can excel next year.

 

[T Town Tommy]

So not saying he was bad, but my stock was higher in Kizer before this bowl game. Run game didn't help him, that's for sure. But he didn't run away with the job if you're looking at the final game. I'm excited for Zaire's crazy self to be full go again.

While Kizer made a few mistakes - he should as he is still relatively young at the position - his OL didn't help him out a whole lot against the OSU DL pressure.

As far as a QB controversy... it won't be settled before fall practice anyway so plenty of time to discuss both Kizer and MZ.

 

[koonja]

Anyone see BW's cryptic tweet yesterday? "Good time to start thinking about things". Oh it's going to be an interesting 2-3 years for this group!

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Said it before, I'll say it again.

Wimbush should be given a bunch of the first team reps. Easily the most talent on the team.

If not, he sure as hell better be redshirted this season.

 

[IrishLion]

I think it will depend on the direction of the offense. Without Fuller, the lack of proven WR production will probably have this team be more run based. If that is in fact the case, I would expect Zaire to be the man.

I think both can excel next year.

True that. If a guy like ESB steps up and can go get the long ball, I think you need to build on what you did this year and stick with Kizer.

But if you can't go for the homerun quite as often, then maybe Zaire needs to be the guy so he can run the option. And you can go to the option-oriented offense without hesitation, because you know you've got Kizer (and maybe Wimbush) waiting in the wings.