Post-Game Thoughts: Georgia

[GDomer09]

Last year, the Spring, Fall camp, reporters who follow the team, the fans that I know...

So, in the Spring & fall reporters said their Oline wasn't holding up very well against their elite Dline. Weird? Guess that makes them patsies.

 

[snoopdog]

Sorta disagree. Adams is a one-cut plodder who needs 4 steps to get up to speed and really only excels when he has a crease to get to the second level. Dexter Williams probably wasn't going to do shit, but he surely would've attacked the line of scrimmage more explosively and probably wouldn't have been stuffed on 90% of his runs.

A one-cut plodder???

Really????

 

[koonja]

Dexter may have not been ripping off 30 yard jimmies because that D was so good, but getting 3 yards consistently is a hell of a lot better than getting 0-1.

2 yards when moving the chains is huge.

 

[BobbyMac]

A one-cut plodder???

Really????

In a good way, like Matt Forte in his prime.

 

[ACamp1900]

Adams is becoming one of my fav ND backs ever... just me... but he is slower getting out the backfield... why they didn't at least TRY Dex is frustrating.

 

[dublinirish]

A one-cut plodder???

Really????

it's pretty accurate. he looked really bad on saturday in the backfield. Perhaps there were too many read option plays but the running game just looked terrible slow.

 

[zelezo vlk]

In a good way, like Matt Forte in his prime.

Or Arian Foster.

 

[ulukinatme]

The comments on playing Dexter are puzzling.

I watched the game and rarely saw a lane open up which Adams missed.

Unless Dex is really Harry Potter and can apparate past the Line of Scrimmage, he had very little chance of being any more successful than Josh. maybe Barry Sanders...but that's about it.

Sorta disagree. Adams is a one-cut plodder who needs 4 steps to get up to speed and really only excels when he has a crease to get to the second level. Dexter Williams probably wasn't going to do shit, but he surely would've attacked the line of scrimmage more explosively and probably wouldn't have been stuffed on 90% of his runs.

The comments from Allen Pinkett and some of the others during the post game radio show seemed to think giving Dexter some carries may have been beneficial, for the reasons that LAX mentioned. Adams can be fast, but he's not explosive from the start. He's the kind of back that accepts a challenge and will try to run through you, whereas Dexter is shifty and has a quick first step. Does Dexter make a difference? Maybe not, but the nice thing about Dexter is he's a change of pace. Adams allows a defense to be aggressive because he's a one cut and go guy. Dexter is more elusive like Sony Michel, and we saw how a player like that can be hard to bring down.

 

[snoopdog]

B Wimbush looked bad running the ball and he is a 10.8 100 meter guy.

I am ok saying....sure give Dex a try...no probs....but when some infer that ND's problem was playing the wrong back....I have to call bullshit.

Unless of course the other back is Barry Sanders (senior year at OSU)

 

[ulukinatme]

it's pretty accurate. he looked really bad on saturday in the backfield. Perhaps there were too many read option plays but the running game just looked terrible slow.

Part of that can be blamed on the struggles of the OL for sure, and Georgia's very good front 7. Mustipher, for one, was getting blown up and pushed into the backfield on plays. It's hard for a RB to make good ground when your first cut has to be in your own backfield. Reminds me a lot of what Armando Allen had to go through.

 

[dublinirish]

ISD Power Hour Georgia game review podcast is up on itunes FYI

https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/3719/post-georgia-power-hour-9-11-17

 

[dublinirish]

Part of that can be blamed on the struggles of the OL for sure, and Georgia's very good front 7. Mustipher, for one, was getting blown up and pushed into the backfield on plays. It's hard for a RB to make good ground when your first cut has to be in your own backfield. Reminds me a lot of what Armando Allen had to go through.

so in that case is it not better to bring in another back who can cut and is shifty to deal with that adversity?

 

[NDRock]

So, in the Spring & fall reporters said their Oline wasn't holding up very well against their elite Dline. Weird? Guess that makes them patsies.

Phil Steele ranked their OL as the 13th best in the SEC.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/s...il-steeles-2017-sec-positional-unit-rankings/

Please explain how they are the best OL on our schedule? I've given you my reasons.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

I know the debate is Adams vs Williams, but I like Tony Jones Jr. He has had a couple plays now that should have been losses that he fought to get back to the line like it was the goalline. He can block and he catch catch, so he seems like he can do everything Adams can do, but would allow Adams some rest. By the end of the game he looked kinda slow behind the line and there were a few plays he probably could have gotten two or three more yards and that could make a difference in a low scoring game like that.

 

[NDohio]

it's pretty accurate. he looked really bad on saturday in the backfield. Perhaps there were too many read option plays but the running game just looked terrible slow.

I hate the way the run game is used in college football right now. It's not just a ND thing, but the slow forming plays and QB's always having the option to pull the ball out and keep it are annoying. Just decide you're gonna hand the ball off and let the line make a quick hole for the RB to run through.

 

[dublinirish]

ISD Power Hour Georgia game review podcast is up on itunes FYI

https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/3719/post-georgia-power-hour-9-11-17

they are ragging on Mustipher, Bars and Hainsey.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don't have much to add other than I'm totally dumbfounded how poorly the offense played. Scheme, adjustments, every single position group, etc. It was horrific. Obviously give some credit to Georgia's defense, but it felt like UG had 20 players on the field at times. ND couldn't do anything consistently. They were completely and totally out coached on that side of the ball.

Defensively, wow. I was completely impressed with our guys and Elko. Bravo. Keep it up guys! They weren't perfect, but compared to last year, what a refreshing thing to watch. I thoroughly enjoyed myself when the D was on the field.

 

[ACamp1900]

I hate the way the run game is used in college football right now. It's not just a ND thing, but the slow forming plays and QB's always having the option to pull the ball out and keep it are annoying. Just decide you're gonna hand the ball off and let the line make a quick hole for the RB to run through.

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[ulukinatme]

so in that case is it not better to bring in another back who can cut and is shifty to deal with that adversity?

I'm an advocate for Dexter getting SOME carries against Georgia at least. I like Adams and he's our #1 back, but Dexter earned the opportunity to get carries and should have at least gotten a shot I think. At the very least I don't think he would have gotten less yards than Adams did against Georgia's front.

 

[ulukinatme]

Phil Steele ranked their OL as the 13th best in the SEC.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/s...il-steeles-2017-sec-positional-unit-rankings/

Please explain how they are the best OL on our schedule? I've given you my reasons.

Cause S-E-C! S-E-C!

 

[wizards8507]

I hate the way the run game is used in college football right now. It's not just a ND thing, but the slow forming plays and QB's always having the option to pull the ball out and keep it are annoying. Just decide you're gonna hand the ball off and let the line make a quick hole for the RB to run through.

Breakdown Sports: Inside the Playbook - Jim Harbaugh's Rushing Attack

 

[NDRock]

Breakdown Sports: Inside the Playbook - Jim Harbaugh's Rushing Attack

Who is the guy in front of the running back? It says FB, is that the football?

 

[NDRock]

Cause S-E-C! S-E-C!

Ahh, good point.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Something I realized, this was only Chip Long's third game against a P5 team as an OC, and one of the prvious two was Kansas. This seemed to show up in some of his playcalling. Hopefully we'll see him improve from this game just as his players will too.

 

[ACamp1900]

Who is the guy in front of the running back? It says FB, is that the football?

No, it's short for 'fourth string TE.'

 

[snoopdog]

I would love to see a FB "blow up" Trenton Thompson when he is lined up wide

 

[dublinirish]

ND's tight end blocking is fundamentally unsound according to folks on ISD. Really bagging on Mack and Smythe. Said they gave up on so many plays. They reckon Weishar is the best blocker but of course, does not play. Also MF thinks Wright and Kmet should start and play now.

 

[wizards8507]

No, it's short for 'fourth string TE.'

But alas, it doesn't have to be. We could recruit the shit out of fullbacks. Everyone knows the "fullback kid" from high school. Big chip on his shoulder because he's not fast enough to play tailback or tall enough to play tight end. Weight room hero. Wears no sleeves even when it's 10 degrees and snowing. Tremendously high football IQ. We'd land that kid every single year.

My high school fullback kid was an albino with a genetic disorder where he had no sense of smell. He had to load all of his food up with vast quantities of hot sauce to taste anything. Dude looked like Silas from The Da Vinci Code.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Breakdown Sports: Inside the Playbook - Jim Harbaugh's Rushing Attack

4-3 over isn't something that is new in CFB and the advent of the zone blitz on one side and man on the other can eliminate the effectiveness of this running play. In the end, what makes this play a success or failure isn't something genius... nor invented by the Khaki Kook in Ann Arbor.... it's whether or not the OL and FB get their blocks and the opposing DC doesn't call for a zone blitz to that side. Otherwise.... yawn.... and **** Michigan.

 

[ulukinatme]

But alas, it doesn't have to be. We could recruit the shit out of fullbacks. Everyone knows the "fullback kid" from high school. Big chip on his shoulder because he's not fast enough to play tailback or tall enough to play tight end. Weight room hero. Wears no sleeves even when it's 10 degrees and snowing. Tremendously high football IQ. We'd land that kid every single year.

You make an interesting point. Right now we're using TEs to fill in for an actual FB. FBs tend to be shorter, while TEs are taller. Low man usually wins when it comes to blocking, and pound for pound FBs are often one of the strongest players on the team. I just wonder how effective a FB will be in this offense until we recruit an actual FB.