Post Game: Texas

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Because then they just audible into a pass. How are people not realizing this? You can't just put 11 DL and LBs in the box, simply because the guy hasn't thrown a pass yet. (For the record, Swoopes did attempt one pass)

I agree with this. There were times when ND DL was getting under the offensive line of Texas and driving them back. When they did that they blew Swoopes up. There was NO TIME in that game where you could count on dbacks covering a kid in a wheelchair.
 

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I've stewed on it.

My postgame thoughts, aside from wishing harm upon the Big XII video reviewers and the ACC refs on the field for (1) failing to protect our player and (2) costing us points:

1. If our defense plays to even one less degree of terrible football, we win by two scores. So, if we played like "Burning Couch in West Virginia" rather than "Runaway Train With Cars Full of Dumpsters on Fire," we win by 10.

2. If Kizer plays the whole game, from the start, we win by one score, maybe two. The guy is unbelievable, and an early-game rhythm might have resulted in a bit more success on a couple of our early drives that stalled.

(^Put both of the above together, and we win by three scores, and I'm sticking to it.)

3. BK learned, the hard way, that he can't trust the defense or BVG. He put his faith in them by going conservative on 3rd and 12, and I can even kind of understand why he did it, as the defense had played marginally better in the second half. But I'd be shocked if we don't see BK upping the ante in terms of attempting fourth down conversions, and generally calling for a more aggressive game late in first halves and at the end of games.

4. We're gonna be in All Of The Shootouts. I hope I'm wrong. But our corners and safeties knew Texas wanted to go deep consistently, and still couldn't do anything about it. That type of play is going to allow the better teams on the schedule to easily adjust their gameplan for us each week to maximize the stress they put on our defense vertically, even if they don't normally attack in such a way. I hope Studstill and [Any Other Safety] grow up quickly.

5. Thank god we've got a QB that is going to make things easier on the young receivers, because those guys need to grow up fast, too. Asking Folston and Adams to continue breaking off big, unbelievable runs isn't a sustainable strategy against a crowded box. It looks like ESB and CJ will be fine as the classic "Possession" and "Slot" guys, and if Torii gets healthy we are in a great position at the top of the depth chart overall. But Stepherson, Boykin, and perhaps one other guy need to figure out how to be more than just niche guys... they need to take a big step in practices, and prevent their presences on the field from signalling a one-dimensional attack.

6. Despite giving up 50 points, and despite the fact that Swoopes was made to look like the Incredible Hulk on the same simple power plays over and over, I have hope for the front 7 simply because of two guys. The DL looked awful at times, and wasn't offering nearly enough help to the LB's... But Nyles showed some of the big-time flashes at MLB that we've been waiting for since Manti left, and Onwualu played out of his mind. It's nice to see a guy in the middle that can legitimately shoot through a gap and pop somebody in the backfield, and I think that Onwualu should retain that #1 jersey and keep wrecking shit off the edge.
 

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I needed time to calm down after that game.

-From a purely entertainment perspective, that was one of the best games I've ever seen. I just wish ND would've came out on the winning side.

-The defense showed flashes, but were wildly inconsistent, and unfortunately at the worst possible times is when they seemed to just roll over. I'm beyond sick of BVG. Teams with less talent, less depth, and less seniority still find ways to play sound/fundamental football and not give up 50 points a game.

-Sorry, Malik, this is Kizer's team and it's not even close. I honestly don't even want to see a Malik-package.

-We need an answer at WR. ESB needs to be targeted early and often. But we need others to step up. (Did anyone else see ESB punch/push Stepherson because he wasn't lining up correctly late in the game? Grow up fast, guys....we need you.

That said, ND didn't look that bad. I just think TX looked much better than I gave them credit for. I predicted a ND blowout as long as they took care of the ball (0 turnovers - check) and controlled the LOS (meh....they were both so-so). But Texas was having none of it. They came ready to play and I think Strong and his guys thoroughly out-coached BK and his for much of the game.
 

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I needed time to calm down after that game.

-From a purely entertainment perspective, that was one of the best games I've ever seen. I just wish ND would've came out on the winning side.

-The defense showed flashes, but were wildly inconsistent, and unfortunately at the worst possible times is when they seemed to just roll over. I'm beyond sick of BVG. Teams with less talent, less depth, and less seniority still find ways to play sound/fundamental football and not give up 50 points a game.

-Sorry, Malik, this is Kizer's team and it's not even close. I honestly don't even want to see a Malik-package.

-We need an answer at WR. ESB needs to be targeted early and often. But we need others to step up. (Did anyone else see ESB punch/push Stepherson because he wasn't lining up correctly late in the game? Grow up fast, guys....we need you.

That said, ND didn't look that bad. I just think TX looked much better than I gave them credit for. I predicted a ND blowout as long as they took care of the ball (0 turnovers - check) and controlled the LOS (meh....they were both so-so). But Texas was having none of it. They came ready to play and I think Strong and his guys thoroughly out-coached BK and his for much of the game.

So am I the only person that thinks both teams are bad teams? Like 7-8 wins bad...
 

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In retrospect, the Texas veer and shoot is the worst possible match-up for this defense.

We still should have won that game, but let's not completely give up on the season. There is still hope since the remaining good teams (MSU and Stanford) play into our "strengths" defensively.
 

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Wow - what a game. I doubt there are any better, more entertaining games this season. The cool thing about that was the entire college football world was watching that game. People were extremely impressed with Texas and it was because they beat a very good team. Even though ND lost, I think both teams benefited from that game.

Kizer is amazing. I was team Kizer before Sunday night, but I didn't expect that. His poise under pressure is uncanny. And that throw to the end zone when THJ was targeted was absolutely beautiful.

The lack of a targeting call was so frustrating. I don't know how the officials didn't review that.

ND will not be the only team that Texas scores 50 points on this year. The speed with which they ran that offense was insane. We have played teams with tempo in the past, but Texas played super fast AND they have waaaay more talent than teams like UNC, ASU, etc.

Texas' WR were flat out fast. It was frustrating to see them run by our games, but I don't think that will happen every week. ND will only play so many track stars this season.

Our young WR's are going to have to grow up very quickly. ESB is gonna have a great year and Sanders is lightening, but the 2 deep is very young and the young guys are going to have to put it together quickly.

I am still high on this season. This was a tough loss, but Texas is going to have a good to great season. We have good familiarity with the better teams we have on our schedule and that should help.

Go Irish!
 

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So am I the only person that thinks both teams are bad teams? Like 7-8 wins bad...

7 wins seems pretty bad.

I think the floor for both teams is 8 wins. I think ND wins 9 games this year (hopefully a 10th win comes in the bowl game). I think TX can do the same.
 

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7 wins seems pretty bad.

I think the floor for both teams is 8 wins. I think ND wins 9 games this year (hopefully a 10th win comes in the bowl game). I think TX can do the same.
Which of Stanford, USC, and Michigan State do you think we win?
 

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Which of Stanford, USC, and Michigan State do you think we win?

MSU and Stanford.

Both are at home and I think ND has a better shot winning one or both of these games. USC on the road will be tough unless we get some significant answers on defense and WR.
 
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Which of Stanford, USC, and Michigan State do you think we win?

I think we pound MSU and its not even close... Texas has a good defense and we shredded it. MSU's offense is suspect that runs a type of offense that fits to our strengths... I think we win that game somewhere in the 31-13 range
 

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I think we can beat MSU but I don't think we will.

I think Stanford beats us by 20.

Did you watch MSU against Furman or Stanford against Kansas State? Just curious what your takeaway was from those games and why you think Stanford would beat us by 3 scores.
 

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MSU and Stanford.

Both are at home and I think ND has a better shot winning one or both of these games. USC on the road will be tough unless we get some significant answers on defense and WR.

USC is the one I worry about the most. Their talent is through the roof, but how good is the coaching? I don't think we know that yet.

I'm very confident against MSU and fairly confident against Stanford. We bottled McCaffrey up pretty well last year and the O-line is not nearly as good this year and they don't have an experienced QB that can hurt us like last season either.
 

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my take aways:

Kizer is a 1st round NFL QB. Dude is legit af.

ND has the offense to hang with anybody. That's a playoff caliber offense.

The defense on the other hand.....Brian Van Gorder has got to go. I wouldn't wait until the end of the season either if I was Kelly.
 

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USC is the one I worry about the most. Their talent is through the roof, but how good is the coaching? I don't think we know that yet.

I'm very confident against MSU and fairly confident against Stanford. We bottled McCaffrey up pretty well last year and the O-line is not nearly as good this year and they don't have an experienced QB that can hurt us like last season either.

USC is a disaster. Clay Helton? C'mon. That's not a legit coaching staff. This is a Brady Hoke type hire all over again. Promote the unqualified "USC guy" and hope it'll all work out. Reminds me of Hoke all over again. He got the job because he was a "Michigan Man". Helton got the job because he's a "USC guy".

MSU's offense looks pretty bad. ND will put up some points on just about anyone. I don't think MSU can keep up.

As for Stanford, McCaffrey is the ultimate X factor. ND bottled him up pretty well last year but the kid is a big play waiting to happen in the run game, pass game, and return game. All it takes is that one touch and he can make something happen and take it to the house. Can't ever go into a game against a player like him and think you'll just bottle him up. Anything can happen when he has the ball.
 

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USC is a disaster. Clay Helton? C'mon. That's not a legit coaching staff. This is a Brady Hoke type hire all over again. Promote the unqualified "USC guy" and hope it'll all work out. Reminds me of Hoke all over again. He got the job because he was a "Michigan Man". Helton got the job because he's a "USC guy".

MSU's offense looks pretty bad. ND will put up some points on just about anyone. I don't think MSU can keep up.

As for Stanford, McCaffrey is the ultimate X factor. ND bottled him up pretty well last year but the kid is a big play waiting to happen in the run game, pass game, and return game. All it takes is that one touch and he can make something happen and take it to the house. Can't ever go into a game against a player like him and think you'll just bottle him up. Anything can happen when he has the ball.


I keep telling myself this same thing about USC and hope that is the case. We just don't know yet.

Agree on your other points as well.
 

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Did you watch MSU against Furman or Stanford against Kansas State? Just curious what your takeaway was from those games and why you think Stanford would beat us by 3 scores.
We can't tackle and Stanford has the best back in the country. I think they control 60%+ TOP and keep our offense off the field.
 

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We can't tackle and Stanford has the best back in the country. I think they control 60%+ TOP and keep our offense off the field.
I disagree. There's no way, with what we put on the field Sunday, our D holds their O on the field so long.
 

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USC is a disaster. Clay Helton? C'mon. That's not a legit coaching staff. This is a Brady Hoke type hire all over again. Promote the unqualified "USC guy" and hope it'll all work out. Reminds me of Hoke all over again. He got the job because he was a "Michigan Man". Helton got the job because he's a "USC guy".

MSU's offense looks pretty bad. ND will put up some points on just about anyone. I don't think MSU can keep up.

As for Stanford, McCaffrey is the ultimate X factor. ND bottled him up pretty well last year but the kid is a big play waiting to happen in the run game, pass game, and return game. All it takes is that one touch and he can make something happen and take it to the house. Can't ever go into a game against a player like him and think you'll just bottle him up. Anything can happen when he has the ball.

USC look locked in for the first 1.75 quarters, then things didn't go their way and they fell apart. If they had a little luck or went against a worse defense and scored points, I think they would've stayed locked in. They have an incredible amount of talent and they will put up big points.

Their WRs are going to feast on our secondary. I just hope we can repay the favor.

MSU wil be a tough game. Every game could be tough for ND with the way we played defense. Unless something changes, our floor could fall to 8 wins.
 

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I was at the game and have a few thoughts::

The crowd and atmosphere was fantastic. The UT fans are extremely nice and welcoming. And it was an amazing game, with an amazing finish (disappointing, but amazing)

The facilities suck. Getting a beer was impossible and it took us about an hour to get out of our seats and to the car.


Now, the game:

Our D is god awful. Even the run D, that some of you were claiming was our strength, was putrid. The secondary, not surprising, wasn't even competitive and if it wasn't for a few UT drops or missed passes, would've looked even worse. The UT line, their weakness, dominated our D line.

Combine that with almost zero pass rush, and horrible tackling. Even Nyles was bad in the 2nd half.

My 3 year olds are better tacklers. They were launching themselves at the runners, not wrapping up. Pathetic. Warren and the other cat ran all over us. This is one area we actually can improve with some hard work.

BVG needs to go.

The offense was much more explosive than I thought it would be. Adams is better than Folston in my mind. I know Folston had more yards, but 54 was on one play. Adams is also better outta the backfield on passing downs. But we have two, very capable RB"s and I'm happy with both.

Kizer is the man. Kelly wasted too many series on Zaire after it was obvious that Kizer was the lead dog. The 2 QB system didn't work. Kizer should've stayed in the game after the first drive. Absurd move by Kelly.

CJ Sanders is a bonafied playmaker. Great game.

St Brown is a stud. Good things to come.

Hunter was little to no impact. Had the TD catch, but wasn't really a big part of the game. I'm sure that will increase.

Sabastian is as bad as we thought.



8-4.
 
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I was at the game and have a few thoughts::

The crowd and atmosphere was fantastic. The UT fans are extremely nice and welcoming. And it was an amazing game, with an amazing finish (disappointing, but amazing)

The facilities suck. Getting a beer was impossible and it took us about an hour to get out of our seats and to the car.


Now, the game:

Our D is god awful. Even the run D, that some of you were claiming was our strength, was putrid. The secondary, not surprising, wasn't even competitive and if it wasn't for a few UT drops or missed passes, would've looked even worse. The UT line, their weakness, dominated our D line.

Combine that with almost zero pass rush, and horrible tackling. Even Nyles was bad in the 2nd half.

My 3 year olds are better tacklers. They were launching themselves at the runners, not wrapping up. Pathetic. Warren and the other cat ran all over us. This is one area we actually can improve with some hard work.

BVG needs to go.

The offense was much more explosive than I thought it would be. Adams is better than Folston in my mind. I know Folston had more yards, but 54 was on one play. Adams is also better outta the backfield on passing downs. But we have two, very capable RB"s and I'm happy with both.

Kizer is the man. Kelly wasted too many series on Zaire after it was obvious that Kizer was the lead dog. The 2 QB system didn't work. Kizer should've stayed in the game after the first drive. Absurd move by Kelly.

CJ Sanders is a bonafied playmaker. Great game.

St Brown is a stud. Good things to come.

Hunter was little to no impact. Had the TD catch, but wasn't really a big part of the game. I'm sure that will increase.

Sabastian is as bad as we thought.



8-4.

Good stuff. Where are we even 'good' at defense? Run defense on inside/outside, equally soft. Corners and safeties have MAC level speed at best, LBs didn't show me anything. Our pass rush is non-existent. Trumbetti specifically looks like a lesser player than he was as a freshman. And this was all against a bad, by all accounts, OL.

Where are we above average?
 
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Good stuff. Where are we even 'good' at defense? Run defense on inside/outside, equally soft. Corners and safeties have MAC level speed at best, LBs didn't show me anything. Our pass rush is non-existent. Trumbetti specifically looks like a lesser player than he was as a freshman. And this was all against a bad, by all accounts, OL.

Where are we above average?

Exactly. And watching it in person was that much worse. UT missed about 3 TD passes.

Also, if it wasn't for UT's boneheaded penalties (and bad snap) with a min left, they would've won in regular time.

But to give some credit, that Freshman QB is going to be incredible. Kid can drop it on a dime. He and Kizer are going to be great ones.
 

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Michigan State. Maybe USC - who knows what kind of shape they'll be in by the end of the season.

MSU will run for over 250 on us. And then play action us to death.

We better find a pass rush, or I can see a boring offense like MSU dropping 30 on us.
 

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MSU will run for over 250 on us. And then play action us to death.

We better find a pass rush, or I can see a boring offense like MSU dropping 30 on us.


So MSU had 171 rushing yards against Furman and they will get 250 against ND?


EDIT: Oh, and Texas had 237 rushing yards.
 
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So MSU had 171 rushing yards against Furman and they will get 250 against ND?


So because they didn't run for more than I predicted against someone else, they can't do it against us?

I'm not following your logic. Sure, 250 is being a bit overdramatic, but I can see us giving up a TON of yardage this year. MSU's line is better than UT"s and they pushed us all over the place.

I would say MSU didn't take Furman seriously and almost got caught with their pants down.
 
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