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Not to pick on a specific play call but on the 2nd and 13 on the second to last drive, why in the world was a play action called? What team, let alone a smart one, is going to bite on a 2nd and 13 play action when a team is down 7 late in the 4th. Dude just ran past Folston and sacked Rees. That was a headscratcher.
 

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While I refrain from critiquing players too much, I have on occasion respectfully expressed my differences with some of the coaching decisions. Tonight I have to say that I am very proud of this team. It was definitely not an ideal year for them and I mean from the moment they got home from the National Championship Game there has been one setback or adversity after another. We all know that from a talent standpoint we are limited at a couple of positions, no one could have known we would be this banged up, but Coach Kelly and this team showed me that there is no quit at all in these guys. We are infinitely tougher than we were in years past and with the maturation and development of a few positions we are back to being able to play with anyone in the country. Stanford as solid as they are, is lucky we had all of the issues we've had because we were one play(er) away from beating them at home with a depleted roster and a bunch of next men in. Good job. Go Irish.
 
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On the bright side, at least we didn't lose our undefeated season last year because our coach gifted the opponent 7 points at the end of the game by attempting an impossible field goal!
 

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Would love to hear the coaches explanation for Fairley>Redfield tonight. About 90% of the time he lined up in the middle of the field 15+ yards away from the ball and there was little to no communication going on between him and the other d-backs. Not sure why Redfield couldn't do that.

He doesn't look 100% healthy or he just developed a Deion personality at Safety. He shies away from contact at all times and has no idea how to wrap up. I know he didn't play football until he was 17, but I just don't remember him being this bad last year.
 
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I think we are in extremely good shape at corner going into next season. With Russell/Luke/Butler. Very good.
 

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Disappointed. Defense made stops when they had to in the 2nd half but 2 turnovers in the 4th qtr sealed it.

I've always said Notre Dame plays as well as their opponent. The game vs Stanford I think holds true. The D had many injuries & some suspensions but they played very well against one of the most physical teams in college football. The 2 INTs were disappointing but for me the Farley non tackle hurt more.

8-4 isn't what we hoping for but it's not the end of the world either. Right now it's about getting a bowl win and move forward.
 

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Never a good thing to lose but we didn't let up. Now we must win the bowl. The bowl win will be the difference between good season and disappointment. Hopefully the break can give us time to heal up and scheme up a plan to beat whoever we play.
 

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A loss tends to piss you off knowing you could have won the game. Even with all the injuries/suspensions ND was hanging tough and could have won the game tonight.

Couple of points not mentioned:

1. Tommy and WRs seemed out of sync most of the night.
2. Stanford got away with a lot of receiver contact down field which led to atleast 1 of the INTs late in the 4Q.
 

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Don't really understand the "angry" crowd. Came into the game a 17 point underdog and played them to the wire... coming an underthrown ball away from a tie game.

Everyone said coming into this game that Tommy needed to play a clean game for us to win. He didn't. The defense was laughably undermanned but with the exception of Farley I thought they all really battled and they got some key stops. On O, the OL was total patchwork against a dominant and disruptive front 7 yet played really admirably. Even the play calling and scheme wasn't bad save for the super soft defense at times in the first half... that's not the best way to play Stanford's mediocre skill position players.

Disappointment is fine. Sadness is fine. Ambivalence is fine. Being ticked off seems quite silly to me.
 

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A loss tends to piss you off knowing you could have won the game. Even with all the injuries/suspensions ND was hanging tough and could have won the game tonight.

Couple of points not mentioned:

1. Tommy and WRs seemed out of sync most of the night.
2. Stanford got away with a lot of receiver contact down field which led to atleast 1 of the INTs late in the 4Q.

Yeah, the first INT was obviously illegal contact. 10 yards down field and their DB "jams" the WR.
 

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1. Tough loss tonight. You can really see how close ND is to being able to play with just about anyone. At times, ND clearly had the talent and execution to win this game. At other times, they looked like a middle of road ACC team.
Lived this script enough this year...start slow on O...tackle NO ONE on D for an extended period of time...hand momentum to the other team...and fight like hell to come back...just not something you fix with anything other than leadership and gut check
2. Turnovers.............. I'd prefer that everyone use a little class when discussing this point, but Tommy really hurt our chances with two late INTs. But he also hung in to deliver a completion, on many plays in the first 3 quarters, that kept us close.
He is who he is...I cannot think of a single game that better represents a career. Many really heady decisions, and gritty deliveries...combined with unbelievably ill-timed head scratchers. If you wanted to end the regular season with a game that reflected this QB, this offense, this team...you could not have scripted it better.
3. We obviously need to get better in the secondary. Tackling was poor, and coverage was spotty. But, just when you are about to scream about Farley or Jackson, they make an excellent play. Again.......... inconsistency.
They make me crazy...yes they had a couple plays...but still too many on the minus side...If you re-watch Stanford's first two scores...you can see this in spades. Can't afford to wait until you've handed over momentum to play well.
4. We played to a draw, I think, on both sides of the line tonight. Neither team really dominated the LOS all night. They dominated in spurts, but not consistently.
I disagree...Stanford ran the ball at will...D-line was catching most of the night until the last couple possessions...yes those were nice stands...but the D front 7 overall got trucked most of the time. Its not like Gafney was running outside...
5. This team played hard for 4 quarters. No one quit, and I bet that not a one of the starters has anything left in the tank right now. I think they truly left it all out there on the field.
Yea...they played pretty hard, particularly at the end.
6. Red Zone offense continues to baffle me. I get that we are missing a mobile QB who can make plays with his feet, but can we not find another way to keep the defense honest? Every pass play in the Red Zone goes into the End Zone. Why not run some crossing routes underneath, and try to get a WR running away from a LB or DB? Or how about a swing pass to the RB? Give me something other than a fade or a halfback dive.
I don't know...I still don't see clean execution enough to think the coaches are crazy...yet I do not see them recognize and adjust much and try to get someone or something going that changes this potency issue.

On to whatever Bowl Game...I hope something fun for the Seniors...
 

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I didnt think ND would win. It sucks to have been so close and to deal with the two ints, but it's nothing new. Its better than losing by 21. The team fought and you have to respect that. Bottom line is that their run defense and run blocking was better. 2nd and 2 is tough to scheme against. Tommy was who he has been since day one.

I think the depth of recruiting starts to show next year, and if Tuitt stays ND will be real good
 
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I agree with you that we could be real good on D next year if tuitt stays. But, I don't think that will happen at all. After seeing Nix go down with injury, that is too much money to pass up. And can you blame him. Watching, Spond/Councell/Nix/Martin all go down with season ending injuries. As well as KAP last year. He and Nix are gone IMO. I know it worked out for Manti for the great run.

It does scare me with our NT next year. A true run stuffing NT. And Jarron Jones looks real good, but it does scare me--the gashes up the middle. And Line backing is second biggest issue.

OUr DB's are just fine if not really good. But, we lose a ton on the line.

Would love to see Tuitt back, don't see it happening.

It looks like we will have to rely on our offense a ton next year. Our d will be good, but not elite. I think with the extended play of Jaylon/Butler/Jones/Rochell will pay dividends. And Elmer and the young guys on the Oline will also pay dividends.

Fun to look forward to next year, especially on the QB side. Because, no matter what we will have a QB that won't be a statue.
 
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QB: Golson
RB: Folston | Bryant/McDaniel |Atkinson
WR: Daniels | Robinson
WR: Fuller | Brent
WR: Brown | Onwualu
TE: Niklas | Koyack
LT: McGlinchey/Elmer
LG: Elmer/Hegarty/Hanratty
C: Hegarty/Martin
RG: Lombard
RT: Stanley

That offense is going to score a ton of points. The WR corp is athletic as hell, and the offense is basically loaded across the board.

SDE: Tuitt | Rochell | Hounshell/Hayes
NG: Jones/Springmann
WDE: Day | Hounshell/Trumbetti/Hayes
DOG: Smith | Councell
MIKE: Grace | Deeb
WILL: Moore | (Morgan)
CAT: Okwara/Williams | ??????
CB: Russell | Butler
CB: Luke | Watkins
FS: Redfield | Baratti | ANYONE ELSE | Farley
SS: Shumate | Collinsworth

This defense, if the injury gods favor the Irish, can certainly do some things...if Tuitt comes back. If Nix comes back, I have 99% fewer worries haha

The biggest issue is that, well, the 2014 schedule is absurd.

The current records of the teams on the schedule...

Florida State: 12-0
Stanford: 10-2
Arizona State: 10-2
Louisville: 10-1 (could be 11-1)
Southern Cal: 9-4
Rice: 9-3
Navy: 7-4 (will be 8-4)
Michigan: 7-5
North Carolina: 6-6
Northwestern: 5-7
Purdue: 1-11

...and let me tell you, Northwestern is by no means a bad team. Very similar to Michigan State/Wisconsin last year in how they lost a ton of really close games.
 

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Yeah, the first INT was obviously illegal contact. 10 yards down field and their DB "jams" the WR.

Yeah..not sure how they allowed that but whatever I guess.

In regards to next years team, they'll be better overall in terms of athleticism and speed. ND has good news in the next couple of weeks. Just a tough year. Injuries and a pocket passer trying to run a spread. Players did emerge and that's awesome to see.

First time since early '90's that ND wins 8 or more 4 straight years. On the right path. They were in every game too. I think a positive season given the circumstances.
 

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My Observations:

1. One more game with Rees. Leave it at that.
2. Jaylon seemed really out of position on the play action passes. Was really selling out to the run.
3. Funny what happens when Jackson actually looks for the ball in coverage.
4. The play where Farley fell right on his A$$ on the Stanford TD run pretty much summed up his pathetic season.
5. O line played well. QB had time most of the night.
6. Expecting big things out of Daniels next season.
7. Is it possible the reason some players are not getting better is because there is no threat of sitting? Obviously, there is no competition at the QB position, but several times throughout the year, we all thought players should be benched and were not. Do they players know this?
8. Like an umpire, sometimes you are doing a good job when no one mentions/notices you. I can say this for Russell. He had a solid season. Didn't completely stand out, but in a secondary that was complained about on a regular basis, his name did not come up much.
 

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Buster, I agree with your entire for next years 2 deep besides 1 of them.

I don't see how the staff can keep Corey Robinson off the field. I think he will be starting
 

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Regarding KVR: How many passes were completed on him last night?


The last couple of game BJ has come up with the INT's which is great, but they rarely target KVR's side in my non-expert seen-the-game-once opinion (besides the occasional bubble screen and easy passes). They never seem to challenge him long; maybe that is because he is receiving more help from the safeties, but still and impressive season by KVR. I think he could be drafted in the top 2 rounds. His progression has been ridiculous and if it continues...
 
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QB: Golson
RB: Folston | Bryant/McDaniel |Atkinson
WR: Daniels | Robinson
WR: Fuller | Brent
WR: Brown | Onwualu
TE: Niklas | Koyack
LT: McGlinchey/Elmer
LG: Elmer/Hegarty/Hanratty
C: Hegarty/Martin
RG: Lombard
RT: Stanley

That offense is going to score a ton of points. The WR corp is athletic as hell, and the offense is basically loaded across the board.

SDE: Tuitt | Rochell | Hounshell/Hayes
NG: Jones/Springmann
WDE: Day | Hounshell/Trumbetti/Hayes
DOG: Smith | Councell
MIKE: Grace | Deeb
WILL: Moore | (Morgan)
CAT: Okwara/Williams | ??????
CB: Russell | Butler
CB: Luke | Watkins
FS: Redfield | Baratti | ANYONE ELSE | Farley
SS: Shumate | Collinsworth

This defense, if the injury gods favor the Irish, can certainly do some things...if Tuitt comes back. If Nix comes back, I have 99% fewer worries haha

The biggest issue is that, well, the 2014 schedule is absurd.

The current records of the teams on the schedule...

Florida State: 12-0
Stanford: 10-2
Arizona State: 10-2
Louisville: 10-1 (could be 11-1)
Southern Cal: 9-4
Rice: 9-3
Navy: 7-4 (will be 8-4)
Michigan: 7-5
North Carolina: 6-6
Northwestern: 5-7
Purdue: 1-11

...and let me tell you, Northwestern is by no means a bad team. Very similar to Michigan State/Wisconsin last year in how they lost a ton of really close games.

I really like the anyone else at safety. What if Farley is injured?

Has anyone heard about Baratti? Think about it : they won't play Redfield in the last game of his freshman season; but, they played Baratti in the second game of his and he had an interception on the goal line to stop a Michigan scoring drive! I hope that means Baratti has that kind of talent, including that kind of mental ability to run the defense.

The LB corps of "Smith ~ Grace ~ Moore ~ Okwara" could well be lights out. If Grace's leg heals and Moore figures out coverage, that could be one for the ages.

Defensive line could coalesce into a very good unit. I think Williams will get more DE snaps. Last night he looked great there.

Corners look real good based upon their performance this year; when is the last time we could say that?
 

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Yeah, the first INT was obviously illegal contact. 10 yards down field and their DB "jams" the WR.

I don't think illegal contact exists in college football. At least I can't remember the last time I've seen it called.
 

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I really like the anyone else at safety. What if Farley is injured?

Has anyone heard about Baratti? Think about it : they won't play Redfield in the last game of his freshman season; but, they played Baratti in the second game of his and he had an interception on the goal line to stop a Michigan scoring drive! I hope that means Baratti has that kind of talent, including that kind of mental ability to run the defense.

The LB corps of "Smith ~ Grace ~ Moore ~ Okwara" could well be lights out. If Grace's leg heals and Moore figures out coverage, that could be one for the ages.

Defensive line could coalesce into a very good unit. I think Williams will get more DE snaps. Last night he looked great there.

Corners look real good based upon their performance this year; when is the last time we could say that?

Let's not get carried away with Baratti. He got beaten on that play against Michigan and was lucky the passer threw it behind his intended receiver.

I also don't share your optimism of the LBs.

But otherwise I agree
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> captain Bennett Jackson on winning 8+ games in each of his four seasons: "That’s not an accomplishment. It’s a disappointment."</p>— Dan Murphy (@BGI_DanMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_DanMurphy/statuses/407004916666757122">December 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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I have to agree with Bennett.
Those teams won at least 8 while playing one less game.

What this year could have been with Golson will haunt me all winter.
 
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We were closer to 5-7 than 10-2. We were on the better end of most "a few plays here and there".

Actually we were 3 wins greater than 5-7 and only 2 wins shy of 10-2. Being that 2 < 3, we were technically closer to 10-2

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> captain Bennett Jackson on winning 8+ games in each of his four seasons: "That’s not an accomplishment. It’s a disappointment."</p>— Dan Murphy (@BGI_DanMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_DanMurphy/statuses/407004916666757122">December 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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You mean even the players had high expectations. I thought those were to be adjusted season by season depending upon the changing circumstances of our program. I mean, thats what so many were trying to say has to happen not to far back. I'm glad the players aren't happy with mediocrity when some of the fans are.

2 crucial drives 2 interceptions. Could have been 4 if our wide receivers didn't have to turn into cornerbacks

I believe it was close to 5. Pretty sure DD broke up 2 himself, and didn't Jones wrestle at least one ball away for a catch of his own.
 

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You mean even the players had high expectations. I thought those were to be adjusted season by season depending upon the changing circumstances of our program. I mean, thats what so many were trying to say has to happen not to far back. I'm glad the players aren't happy with mediocrity when some of the fans are.

Dumb. But not surprised considering the author.
 

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Don't really understand the "angry" crowd. Came into the game a 17 point underdog and played them to the wire... coming an underthrown ball away from a tie game.

Everyone said coming into this game that Tommy needed to play a clean game for us to win. He didn't. The defense was laughably undermanned but with the exception of Farley I thought they all really battled and they got some key stops. On O, the OL was total patchwork against a dominant and disruptive front 7 yet played really admirably. Even the play calling and scheme wasn't bad save for the super soft defense at times in the first half... that's not the best way to play Stanford's mediocre skill position players.

Disappointment is fine. Sadness is fine. Ambivalence is fine. Being ticked off seems quite silly to me.

Agree. I defiantly don't understand all the anger I've read online. Not on here but on twitter, etc; Tommy isn't necessarily my fave player but c'mon he's human and a college student.
 

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Where insulting the content of a post isn't enough. Where personal attacks flow from nearly every post. Dillon Hall

This argument is between me and Insanity. He refuses to acknowledge how irrational he is, and his inability to distinguish an outside observer's expectations with those of the players and coaches is a joke. Not really sure what's left to say to him regarding this topic.
 

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Actually we were 3 wins greater than 5-7 and only 2 wins shy of 10-2. Being that 2 < 3, we were technically closer to 10-2



You mean even the players had high expectations. I thought those were to be adjusted season by season depending upon the changing circumstances of our program. I mean, thats what so many were trying to say has to happen not to far back. I'm glad the players aren't happy with mediocrity when some of the fans are.



I believe it was close to 5. Pretty sure DD broke up 2 himself, and didn't Jones wrestle at least one ball away for a catch of his own.

First, expectations by players and coaches are different than those by fans. When I temper my expectations, I very often have a better Saturday. If we win, I'm just as excited. If we lose, I can keep it in perspective.

Second, objectively, with injuries and our QB situation, Stanford was better. Me "expecting" us to win does nothing to affect the outcome of the game.

Third, I thought that one of the plays that DD broke up was partly due to him not coming back to the ball.
 
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