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Several times yesterday the TE was wide open in the seam or just off in the flat. An easy pitch and catch 8-12 yards before he would have taken any contact. And DK never saw him. I know there isn't a Tyler E. type TE on the roster... by that I mean a really good pass catching TE, but dang it... throw the easy one to the TE and see what happens.

I here you man. I made the same observation. Smythe and Weishar are no Tyler Eifert BUT they can get open and catch. Kizer has really regressed in accuracy, setting his feet, decision-making but most of all his READS.
 

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The previous excuse was that we were so bad under Weis and the guys before Weis that the program has improved so much that he deserves another year.

We are officially in Weis territory. About to have our worst or 2nd worst record in our modern history this year off the top of my head.

That is just sad.

To put that into perspective, GERRY FAUST never had a season this putrid. I think the worst season in modern ND history is Kucharich, when they were 2-8 but Hornung won the Heisman.
 

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1. Brian Kelly might be doing the worst coaching job in the country. Obviously has a bad staff in place around him, too. He continuously plays not to lose... like kicking a FG for absolutely no reason instead of going for the TD at the end. You're expected value on those two decisions knowing there were at max 2 total drives left in the game is outrageous. He's an idiot who continually mismanages late game situations year after year or doesn't know math.

2. Another 7 point special teams mistake. Instead of having the ball driving to ice the game we got the ball back with many minutes off the clock and losing. All because a play ran on the field for no reason, because they're coached poorly.

3. DeShone Kizer continues to prove he is not a good QB. That was the 121st ranked passing defense. He was inaccurate with many throws, and was bailed out by WRs multiple times. Inaccurate passing was directly responsible for 14 points (really, 11) less points missing wide open guys for TDs. He is just not very good. He is worse than Tommy Rees as a total passer because despite being able to "make all the throws" he routinely misses many of them. We need to move on to Wimbush starting next year.

4. In general, the defense was very bad. Navy has a very good offense, but you have to get more than one (really, two without Booker Bullshit) stop the entire game. Navy got away with murder... so much holding, so many blocks in the back. None of it called. But the big plays were mostly because of alignment problems. So many times you could tell pre-snap that we were outnumbered to one side of the field with no prayer of making a play if they ran the option that direction... and multiple times they did exactly that and it went for a big play. If we're going to continue to play service academies every year, then we need an analyst who is 100% dedicate to stopping option offense and can instill the same plan year after year. What we ran this year was very different than whatwe ran the past two years.

5. Army is better. Let that sink in.

3-9 here we come!!!
 

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3-9 here we come!!!

ND very well should be Navy.

But will get ROLLED vs VT and USC will beat them as well.

4-8.

and welcome to another year of BK football at which they will go 6-6. Progress right Jack???

Reasonable suspicion as to why BK is still employed isn't so much that "BK still has the locker room" crap that Jack spewed but that it would be Jacks ass in a sling if ND has to pay a coach for the next umpteen years for breach of contract like what they just finished with Weis and Jack knows it.
 

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ND very well should be Navy.

But will get ROLLED vs VT and USC will beat them as well.

4-8.

and welcome to another year of BK football at which they will go 6-6. Progress right Jack???

Reasonable suspicion as to why BK is still employed isn't so much that "BK still has the locker room" crap that Jack spewed but that it would be Jacks ass in a sling if ND has to pay a coach for the next umpteen years for breach of contract like what they just finished with Weis and Jack knows it.

Yup. ADs don't fire coaches they hired very easily for this exact reason. It's an indictment on them.

If I'm Jack I wouldn't be worried about that though because literally every other team at ND has excelled under his watch. He just needs to pull the trigger.
 

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Several times yesterday the TE was wide open in the seam or just off in the flat. An easy pitch and catch 8-12 yards before he would have taken any contact. And DK never saw him. I know there isn't a Tyler E. type TE on the roster... by that I mean a really good pass catching TE, but dang it... throw the easy one to the TE and see what happens.

Kizer has missed the tight end numerous times this year. I agree with you throw the easy one to the TE, isn't the TE supposed to be a QB's security blanket? I'd rather have a third and short rather than a third and long.

I love all the talks of how Kizer would be a first round pick if he declares this year. Of course he would be, this year's QB class is weak.

It would be nice to see Luatua get some PT, I remember watching recruiting videos of him and he was a pretty good pass catcher in high school.
 

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You guys see that The booth wasn't allowed to review that 12 men on the field penalty? But did anyways, even though no flag thrown, and it gave them 7 points?

Inventing new ways to lose every week.

I was surprised that they could review this, but looked at my NCAA rulebook at the next break and the video replay official does have the right to review for too many men on the field.

Reviewable Fouls
ARTICLE 8.
The following plays are reviewable and the replay official may create a foul
when there is no call by the on-field officials:

d. The number of players on the field for either team during a live ball
(Rule 12-3-6-a).
 

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Have we officially become Kentucky or Kansas - "Hallelujah, basketball season if finally starting!"?
 

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Have we officially become Kentucky or Kansas - "Hallelujah, basketball season if finally starting!"?

I'm all-in on ND as a basketball school.

LET'S GET ANOTHER ELITE 8 BANNER BABY, WOOOOOO!
 

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Have we officially become Kentucky or Kansas - "Hallelujah, basketball season if finally starting!"?

I know it's frustrating, but this season doesn't come close to a KU season. I was there when Kansas won the Orange Bowl. Those were some good teams. But that's over now.

Unless Bill Self can coach defense in football, too...
 

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Kizer has missed the tight end numerous times this year. I agree with you throw the easy one to the TE, isn't the TE supposed to be a QB's security blanket? I'd rather have a third and short rather than a third and long.

I love all the talks of how Kizer would be a first round pick if he declares this year. Of course he would be, this year's QB class is weak.

It would be nice to see Luatua get some PT, I remember watching recruiting videos of him and he was a pretty good pass catcher in high school.

It has been said that he was out of shape from when he was going to transfer. I have seen him a few times though.

JMO Kizer is a all or nothing guy where the TE's aren't normally that.
 

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ND very well should be Navy.

But will get ROLLED vs VT and USC will beat them as well.

4-8.

and welcome to another year of BK football at which they will go 6-6. Progress right Jack???

Reasonable suspicion as to why BK is still employed isn't so much that "BK still has the locker room" crap that Jack spewed but that it would be Jacks ass in a sling if ND has to pay a coach for the next umpteen years for breach of contract like what they just finished with Weis and Jack knows it.

That is white noise.

He could cut BK at any time.
 

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On the third down before our last field goal TE was wide open underneath annd he throws a high and overthrown ball to CJ Saunders. Not even close!
 

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On the third down before our last field goal TE was wide open underneath annd he throws a high and overthrown ball to CJ Saunders. Not even close!

But... Kizer's a first round pick!
 

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Have they been watching the same QB that we have the last few weeks? Now, the first half of the season he looked like a high first round pick. Thus far in the second half, he's looking more like a third round pick if he chooses to opt for the draft.

He's gone from being a solid passer that can make you pay with his legs in a pinch to an inconsistent passer who tries to use his legs to make something happen when things aren't clicking.

If he struggles with consistency against frigging Army, he needs to take a seat. I don't care if they throw Zaire, Wimbush, Book or even MVG into the fire. It's like Kelly doesn't want to sit DK because he thinks it will make it look like he picked the wrong starter or something. Dunno.
 

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Have they been watching the same QB that we have the last few weeks? Now, the first half of the season he looked like a high first round pick. Thus far in the second half, he's looking more like a third round pick if he chooses to opt for the draft.

He's gone from being a solid passer that can make you pay with his legs in a pinch to an inconsistent passer who tries to use his legs to make something happen when things aren't clicking.

If he struggles with consistency against frigging Army, he needs to take a seat. I don't care if they throw Zaire, Wimbush, Book or even MVG into the fire. It's like Kelly doesn't want to sit DK because he thinks it will make it look like he picked the wrong starter or something. Dunno.

Yeah, let's burn BW's redshirt 10 games into a meaningless season. Brilliant :thumbsup:

Take a Midol
 

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Have they been watching the same QB that we have the last few weeks? Now, the first half of the season he looked like a high first round pick. Thus far in the second half, he's looking more like a third round pick if he chooses to opt for the draft.

He's gone from being a solid passer that can make you pay with his legs in a pinch to an inconsistent passer who tries to use his legs to make something happen when things aren't clicking.

If he struggles with consistency against frigging Army, he needs to take a seat. I don't care if they throw Zaire, Wimbush, Book or even MVG into the fire. It's like Kelly doesn't want to sit DK because he thinks it will make it look like he picked the wrong starter or something. Dunno.

I'm confused...did the Article talk about DK...
 

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1. Kizer is really struggling. The stats don't tell the whole story in this one. He left a tremendous amount of production on the field. Even completed passes were wildly inaccurate, on easy/remedial throws. Not sure what is going on there but he is straight choking. Opposite of what he did last year, major regression.
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Go back and watch the game. He's throwing over everyone's heads because he's throwing off his back foot instead of stepping into his throws. I'm surprised BK hasn't mentioned it.

I don't think I have been so pissed off after a game than this one. I honestly think BK doesn't know what to do with this team.
 

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That is just sad.

To put that into perspective, GERRY FAUST never had a season this putrid. I think the worst season in modern ND history is Kucharich, when they were 2-8 but Hornung won the Heisman.

LOL.........Right after the game, I got up to go do some yard work. As I'm walking out I look at my wife and said "Gerry Faust never lost to Navy!"
 

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Go back and watch the game. He's throwing over everyone's heads because he's throwing off his back foot instead of stepping into his throws. I'm surprised BK hasn't mentioned it.

I don't think I have been so pissed off after a game than this one. I honestly think BK doesn't know what to do with this team.

Your exactly right on BK not knowing what to do with team. Not one player on this team has been consistently good all season. Kizer is no exception, but most on here are trying to make him shoulder the blame. He is one of the most competitive players I have seen at ND in a long time. His problem is bad mechanics that suddenly showed up in his game. THATS COACHING. Just like not getting lined up right. Missed assignments. Penalties as soon as they see the red zone. Special teams. Soft in the run game. Missed tackles. Not fixing simple fundamentals. So let's rip on one guy and say he isn't good. Let's rip on one guy that does need more coaching and can't get it. The guy has proven he can lead a team, he is just on a team that is begging for guidance and no one to give it right now.
 

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LOL.........Right after the game, I got up to go do some yard work. As I'm walking out I look at my wife and said "Gerry Faust never lost to Navy!"

Oh and for bonus points, he beat Flutie in a bowl game ;)
 

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See what gets me is that I know all teams have ups and downs. Bama before Saban came was middle of the pack SEC. USC has been middle of the pack Pac 10 since Carroll left.

Yet no major football program goes 3-9 or 4-8. That is beyond pathetic. That is shameful.

I get it that ND fans are a bit irrational. Tough to win NCs with academics and moral guidelines that ND has. But ND has a great name, tremendous resources and has zero excuses for ever barely beating teams like Navy or having 4-8 seasons.

I cannot for the life of me understand why ND hasnt lost every since recruit. All of those guys have offers to programs that arent falling apart around them.

BK may still have the team like Jack says but he has lost the fan base.
 

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See what gets me is that I know all teams have ups and downs. Bama before Saban came was middle of the pack SEC. USC has been middle of the pack Pac 10 since Carroll left.

Yet no major football program goes 3-9 or 4-8. That is beyond pathetic. That is shameful.

I get it that ND fans are a bit irrational. Tough to win NCs with academics and moral guidelines that ND has. But ND has a great name, tremendous resources and has zero excuses for ever barely beating teams like Navy or having 4-8 seasons.

I cannot for the life of me understand why ND hasnt lost every since recruit. All of those guys have offers to programs that arent falling apart around them.

BK may still have the team like Jack says but he has lost the fan base.

There are still a lot of fans willing to see what he can do next year. We are 3-6 (which sucks) but MSU is 2-7 and I haven't heard anyone calling for Dantonio's head and they would be foolish if they did. This is Kelly's 2nd losing season in 27 years. His worst year here was 8-5 until this year, not sure what other ND coaches can say that. Our OL is not even close to what it was last year. DK has regressed, possibly due to the lack of OL play. We fired our DC in the early part of the season. Lost a lot of quality players to the draft. Getting a lot of young players experience. If BK can lead us to the playoffs next year, this season was a fluke. If he can't, a change should be made.
 

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There are still a lot of fans willing to see what he can do next year. We are 3-6 (which sucks) but MSU is 2-7 and I haven't heard anyone calling for Dantonio's head and they would be foolish if they did. This is Kelly's 2nd losing season in 27 years. His worst year here was 8-5 until this year, not sure what other ND coaches can say that. Our OL is not even close to what it was last year. DK has regressed, possibly due to the lack of OL play. We fired our DC in the early part of the season. Lost a lot of quality players to the draft. Getting a lot of young players experience. If BK can lead us to the playoffs next year, this season was a fluke. If he can't, a change should be made.

Dantonio took his team to the CFP last year, and won four-straight bowl games before that, including a Rose Bowl and a NY6 bowl.

I would argue that Dantonio has earned a rebuilding year with the past success that he's delivered; BK hasn't delivered anything except a natty birth in '12 in which we were stomped.
 
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