Post Game Observations (ASU '14)...

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No one on our schedule compares to either Jacksonville State, or Wyoming!! Those are pathetic games for a Top Ten caliber team!!

That's true. But (a) it's not unusual to schedule those types of teams and (b) they beat the 11th ranked team in the country. We haven't beaten any teams that are anywhere near the rankings.

Stanford, by the way, scheduled UC Davis, which is winless in the Big Sky.
 

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Regardless of his bias, or non-bias, I happen to think that he has a point. Michigan State's schedule is EMBARRASSING!! There is no way that they should be ranked in front of us. I'm not saying that it is an anti-ND bias, but I do think that the voters have it wrong.
It will be an absolute joke if Georgia's ranked ahead of us. The teams they've lost to have combined for 8 losses already this season. You shouldn't get to lose to USCe and get absolutely embarrassed by a pedestrian Florida team (that ran for over 400 yards on UGA while throwing only 6 passes) in a game that wasn't nearly as close as the final score suggests and be ranked ahead of a team whose only 2 losses are to teams with a combined 1 loss.
 

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That's true. But (a) it's not unusual to schedule those types of teams and (b) they beat the 11th ranked team in the country. We haven't beaten any teams that are anywhere near the rankings.

Stanford, by the way, scheduled UC Davis, which is winless in the Big Sky.

Stanford is better than Nebraska, by A LOT. Nebraska may be 8-1, but it doesn't take an expert to see how overrated they are. The only legitimate team they've played so far is Michigan State, which they lost. They'll probably be exposed by Minnesota or Wisconson...or both.
 

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Post Game Observations (ASU '14)...

Rewatched the game. Dug to deep of a hole. Thought Prosise, Carlisle and Cam had really good games. J Smith and Max didn't play well, they are the most gifted athletes on defense and need to play better. Three of Golson's interceptions were on tipped balls, not sure you can blame those on him especially the last one. Saying that he can't fumble on the first two series like he did. Tough break that every single tipped ball went into their hands. Also f*ck Grahm for that last TD they scored.

One last thing. Hunter Smith has to be removed as holder.


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I like when Speilman does games. He offers the best perspective as a former player IMO
 

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Just remember I lost a twelve pack on this one. Stupid Golson.
 

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Ok the playoff deal is out, now win out and get a great bowl game, maybe a shot at an sec team that everyone around the country thinks is so much better than Notre Dame. I had these guys at 8-4 this year, they now have a chance to make a statement for next year. Honestly, yesterday I was gutted but now what these guys have down this year and what should happen next year - lets tee it up and win out. You cant expect to win a game with that much turnover and defensive personnel beat up. ASU should give a game ball to Navy.
 

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It really was a solid broadcast. I'd rather listen to them than anyone at CBS.

All I could think of was how about having him more often for Notre Dame games, the part he said about how BVG was impressed with his guys and the school was big time recruit good for anybody listening. Speilman is a stud
 

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Miss St played Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama, and UTM
FSU played Citadel
Oregon played South Dakota and Wyoming
TCU played Samford and SMU
Alabama played Florida Atlantic, Southern Miss and WILL PLAY Western Carolina...




like I said upthread...bottom 25% of schedule clearly does not matter at all to anyone with a vote.

Outside of this, I like how Kelly in his weekly presser called these opponents nothing but glorified bye weeks. Also, he related this cupcake games in terms of snaps played. Koyak has played in over 600 snaps where the average starter at these programs may have played in about 400-450. Big difference over the course of a season.
 

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Is Jaylon really playing that badly or is he actually drawing more attention from the opposition?

I've watched that (non)play by Max a number of times. I don't get it. He has never shied away from hitting people before. He seems to like contact and making the big hit. I am sure we will never know why he pulled up there, but it sure was odd.

Spielman was awesome. By far the best broadcast I have seen this year for a ND game.
 

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My perspective from watching the game in person from one of the endzones:

1. It was extremely sunny in the first quarter right in Golson's eyes. I was facing the same direction as him with sunglasses on and it was difficult for me to see. I really think he would have thrown one less interception if sun wasn't a factor.

2. The crowd was really loud and actually quite nice to me. I was nowhere near the students and I couldn't hear myself at critical downs. At the end of the game a lot of people shook my hand as I walked out. Respect to ASU.

3. The play calling at the goal lines was atrocious. Ran like three times when time was a factor and threw earlier in the game when you had to run.

4. I don't understand why we didn't a) go for 2 when we were down 24 & b) why we didn't onside kick at some point. The onside kick coverage was absolutely not there for ASU. They had 2 bodies at the line on either side. Why? Because they knew we are the most vanilla special teams unit in the country.

5. Defense played well but gave up that critical drive at the end. Really disappointing.

6. I'm almost to the point where I wouldn't attempt a field goal in a critical situation no matter what. It's scary how bad that unit has been.

7. Farley continues to be a nice surprise. Dline played well from my perspective.

8. We need to throw the ball up the middle to Koyack more. It's always open. I'm guessing EGs height might be the problem there.
 

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...it's not unusual to schedule those types of teams ...

It will become unusual, if you quit rewarding teams that schedule them with high rankings. Scheduling a DI-AA team should automatically disqualify you from being ranked in the Top Ten. Top 25? Sure, you can even be #11, but that's as high as you get, if you schedule an FCS team.
 

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Is Jaylon really playing that badly or is he actually drawing more attention from the opposition?

I've watched that (non)play by Max a number of times. I don't get it. He has never shied away from hitting people before. He seems to like contact and making the big hit. I am sure we will never know why he pulled up there, but it sure was odd.

Spielman was awesome. By far the best broadcast I have seen this year for a ND game.

I have a feeling we're going to be hearing about a lingering injury with Jaylon after the season. He just seems a step slower lately than we're used to from him.
 
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Outside of this, I like how Kelly in his weekly presser called these opponents nothing but glorified bye weeks. Also, he related this cupcake games in terms of snaps played. Koyak has played in over 600 snaps where the average starter at these programs may have played in about 400-450. Big difference over the course of a season.
For all his time on the field at tight end, what significant part as Ben Koyack played in the Notre Dame offense? We all remember the sensational TD catch against Stanford, but this year statistically Ben is 25 receptions for 267 yards and 2 TD (10 receptions 171 yards 3 TD in 2013). I bring this up because when Golson puts the ball on the ground, and their is an Arizona State scrum for the ball, number 18 is sheepishly trying to walk off the field. There had been a complete collapse of the Notre Dame right side(Koyack, Lombard, Elmer). Can Ben Koyack sustain a block? Does his presence on the field create pressure on the defensive secondary? Can he disengage, and create space from a defender on pass routes? Golson spends an awful long time looking for open receivers. For all that time on the field, where is Ben? For a second year in a row, Ben's name has been placed on the Mackey Award watch list. His name also appears on the pre-season All American lists. Mel Kifer has Ben as the number three tight end in the 2015 draft. Coming out of high school, Ben's name was on all the top 100 prospect lists. Scout had him as the number one tight end in the country. Six hundred snaps Ben, and Notre Dame opponents hardly know you!
 

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Everett Golson is responsible for 17 turnovers in the last five games. There was only one turnover on Saturday that wasn't his fault, and that was the bobbled pass to Robinson. The tipped balls? EG didn't suddenly shrink to 5'11" overnight. Throwing a ball within reach of a defensive lineman is no different than throwing into double coverage. Bad things happen and it's a practice to be avoided.

We need better protection out of our offensive line, but the ASU defense was keying on Golson. Once a defense is aware that they can rattle the QB, they pin their ears back and go after him, and that's a very difficult thing to stop for an offensive lineman. Momentum was on ASU's side for the entire first half, but if Golson had given the defense any reason whatsoever to respect him, things would have gone differently.

Golson absolutely does not protect the ball, and it's not just when he is running with it. He doesn't protect the ball on the throws either, failing to respect the defensive scheme/position more often than not. I cannot fathom a reason why has hasn't learned his lesson yet, and it must be maddening for the coaching staff.

Golson can sometimes look brilliant when he scrambles, but let's be honest - we'd probably all like to have a guy to moves up in the pocket and throws it away or gets a couple of positive yards on the ground rather than the guy who occasionally breaks for longer runs but often finds himself with a disastrous fumble or sack at pivotal points in the game.

It bears repeating - Golson is responsible for 17 turnovers in the past 5 games. I'm not suggesting that we bench him at this point in the season, but with Zaire's eligibility now ticking away, I would hope that there is a genuine QB competition in the spring and fall camps next year. If Golson wins the job back, so be it. But Golson should not be the heir apparent for the job simply by virtue of his experience or seniority.
 

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2. The crowd was really loud and actually quite nice to me. I was nowhere near the students and I couldn't hear myself at critical downs. At the end of the game a lot of people shook my hand as I walked out. Respect to ASU.

This is always good to see, and it's what I'm concerned about when I'm deciding about going to an away game, "What are the opposing fans like?" I'm not sure I'll even return to a Miami or FSU game for that reason, but I would go to a Nebraska or Oklahoma game if the opportunity presented itself as numerous Irish fans had good things to say about the other fans they encountered. I can only imagine how bad the Seminole fans would have been had the Irish won.

gkIrish said:
8. We need to throw the ball up the middle to Koyack more. It's always open. I'm guessing EGs height might be the problem there.

I was wondering about this myself. What's the deal with Koyack? We haven't really utilized him that much this season it seems, and considering the way teams have been putting pressure and blitzing lately (Especially ASU) the middle of the field has been open for a TE attack.
 
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I agree to on the 2 pt conversion comment as well as onside kicks.

If I were a coach, I would onside kick half to one third of the time if my offense was superior. It would add up to a lot of possessions over the course of a season and put so much more pressure on the other team's defense.

Golson's fumbles are dumb. He thinks he is Harry Houdini back there and refuses to go down while having the ball cocked and ready to fire the whole time, no matter if six guys have him surrounded. The ground fumble was particularly stupid. WTF!

I accepted defeat by the end of the first quarter and have quickly come to terms with this team being much better than expected this year. No team has beaten us, we have only beaten ourselves. We deserve a mid teens ranking, IMO, our body of work shows we are a legit top 25 and would beat anyone ranked 10 or lower on a neutral field. I think we win out, including a top tier bowl game. Pressure is off, I think we progress nicely over the next three games.

Go back to 2012. Turnover margin was plus 8 for the year (Gave up 15, picked up 23). This year we are -2 (gave up 19, picked up 17).

from CFBSTATS.com

2014(ytd) - 17 forced, 19 lost
2013 - 17 forced, 17 lost
2012 - 23 forced, 15 lost
2011 - 14 forced, 29 lost
2010 - 25 forced, 24 lost
2009 - 19 forced, 14 lost
2008 - 25 forced, 29 lost
 

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Golson's arm can make any throw on the field (if he can see it). Any talk of QB controversy is wasted breath. Our offense puts up tons of points with an O-line that is sub-par. The o-line gets anywhere close to their star ranking on the field and we will be able to impose our will on people. Until then, we need a dynamic QB that can create. By the time Zaire takes the ball, he will have significantly different job than Golson has today.

I am amazed by how dismissive people are to Golson's experience. Yes he has melted under bright lights frequently but he always bounces back. I am frustrated the game has not slowed down more for him at this point but to think a RS Freshman is going to have balls of steel where a 17-3 RS Junior who played in a Championship game is faltering borders on lunacy.
 

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I have a feeling we're going to be hearing about a lingering injury with Jaylon after the season. He just seems a step slower lately than we're used to from him.

You could be right. He looked sluggish even in the pregame. I thought it was the heat.

Heat may have been an issue for the entire team. They were a completely different team in the second half once their sideline and most of field was covered in shade. Not making excuses, asu played on the same field.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Arizona State had a net turnover margin of 24.6 points against ND, the 5th highest single game total of the year <a href="http://t.co/I9KZefFn4N">http://t.co/I9KZefFn4N</a></p>— Brian Fremeau (@bcfremeau) <a href="https://twitter.com/bcfremeau/status/531804101123014656">November 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Here's Murtaugh's review of the ASU game:

Notre Dame got off to one of the worst starts in recent memory, battled back with courage, but saw the whole house of cards topple late in the loss to Arizona State.

Play-Call of the Game: Golson 25-yard Touchdown Pass to Carlisle

The last Irish touchdown of the game closed the gap to 34-31 and was a beautiful play-call. Arizona State was playing aggressive in the secondary all day and Notre Dame finally got them to bite on a fake screen pass. Carlisle sold the play really well and burst past the defensive backs to score the most wide open touchdown of the year.

Armchair Quarterback

I believe most people are more concerned with the fumbles than the interceptions and I have to concur. Golson had 4 more interceptions on Saturday to take him to 11 on the season. On the surface this seems terrible but I'm still not too concerned about the picks being a long-term problem. They mentioned it during the broadcast but Golson was the school leader in interception ratio and he's never had a big problem throwing 'bad' picks. Even on Saturday he had 2 balls tipped off defenders, a third off his own receiver, and the fourth while being hit. You can't be happy with that many turnovers but there is some comfort in knowing that these aren't bad decision interceptions. Golson isn't making poor reads, delivering the ball with bad accuracy, or throwing the ball right at a defender.

Here are my primary concerns. The Arizona State gameplan (props to them) worked really well. They sent blitzers to fluster Golson and sat their ends to disrupt passing lanes. It was kind of like Golson Kryptonite. It unnerved him early in the game and he's not tall enough to be more effective passing over defenders or finding different passing lanes like shorter quarterbacks Drew Brees and Doug Flutie made a living out of throughout their careers.

Speaking of his height, it's a problem for Golson insofar as it's preventing him from taking that step from very good to great. Mentally I have no doubt that Golson has improved a lot compared to 2012 but he's still not stepping up into the pocket when pressured (IMO his single biggest problem), still floats to the sidelines while making dangerous spins away from chasing defenders, and isn't comfortable when blitzers are coming at him. Now, some of this is the line not playing too well but that's another story but Golson doesn't make life easy in this regard. Take those three criticisms above and I believe it's a virtual guarantee that he'll get poor draft grades from the NFL. Golson is full of immense talent but he's not at all ready to face NFL defenses at this point.

Now, Golson did mostly carry the offense with a career high 446 passing yards. So it's difficult to throw him under the bus completely. It wasn't like this was a major group effort to rally back into the game in the second half. He had no run game helping him out and a line unable to provide consistent protection. Golson started the game 5 for 5 but then went into a huge funk (0 for 6, 1 interception, 1 pick six, 1 lost fumble) that lasted most of the first half. From there on out I thought Golson showed a lot of poise in bringing the team to within 3 point of the home team. He was 16 of 24 for 387 yards from the beginning of the first touchdown drive right up to the last interception off Corey Robinson's hands. That's a really impressive amount of playmaking in about 26 minutes of football.

Turning Point: Demario Richards' 4-yard Touchdown Reception

Once the Irish scored to make it 34-31 it felt like the game had officially turned in Notre Dame's favor. The Sun Devils hadn't scored since late in the second quarter and hadn't put the ball in the end zone since 11:12 left in the second quarter.* They were on the verge of coughing up what would have been the second biggest comeback in FBS history when they took over on their own 25-yard line.

This drive was a complete dagger in Notre Dame's heart. D.J. Foster carried the ball quickly 3 times in a row for 31 yards before Taylor Kelly hit Richards for a 40-yard reception. Being able to hold ASU to a field goal would have been heroic but it wasn't meant to be as the Sun Devils scored on the very next play. That put the home team up by 10 with just over 4 minutes left and looking back felt like the beginning of the end.

*Upon review even I had forgotten that Arizona State was sitting at 31 points just under 19 minutes into the game. It's a small consolation but the Irish were lucky ASU didn't score 70 points and instead gave up the most points since the 1985 Miami game and not the most ever in school history. Things were downright scary early in the second quarter and the team deserves credit for stopping the bleeding until the fourth quarter.

Surprising Stat: 11 Pass Plays of 20+ Yards

One of the issues with the offense this year was the lack of big plays from scrimmage, especially out of the run game. That ground game didn't help again on Saturday with a 13-yard walk in the park early scramble by Golson being the longest for the Irish. That leaves Notre Dame still stuck at only 9 running plays of 20+ yards this season.

However, Golson was able to carve up Arizona State (hello, 20.2 YPC) and finished with 11 passes completed for at least 20 yards. Notre Dame now sits at 4th nationally with 47 passes of 20+ yards.

Unheralded Star: Amir Carlisle

With a career high 92 receiving yards Carlisle finally came back to life and found his groove again. He did that on only 3 receptions but displayed more speed, balance, and vision than I've ever seen out of him on the one catch where he carved his way through traffic down the sideline. He's never looked like a running back to me but he definitely did on that play.

Missed Opportunity: The Final Interception

I talked above about the turning point being the Arizona State touchdown to make it 41-31. It would have been tough but there was still some hope left when Robinson couldn't corral a pass at the ASU 42-yard line and it was taken back for the second pick six of the game. The Irish could have conceivably scored another touchdown on that drive to make it 41-38 with 3 minutes left and all 3 timeouts still in pocket.

Flag of the Game: Ineligible Receiver Downfield

What's that? This wasn't called at all on Arizona State's packaged play where Kelly kept the ball, acted like he was taking off, only to throw the ball down field?

Red Zone TD Success: 50%

This wasn't the game to regress in the red zone and that's exactly what happened. The first drive got down to the ASU 17-yard line before Golson lost 11 yards fumbling the ball. That drive stalled and the Irish settled for a field goal.

The next failed red zone opportunity came on the opening drive of the second half where on the 6th play of a 68-yard drive Golson was intercepted at the goal line. The final mistake came at the start of the fourth quarter when a drive got down to the 14-yard line but ended in a fumbled hold on a field goal attempt.

Schemes n Such

There were a lot of complaints in the first half that Kelly was getting out-coached. From a play-calling standpoint I don't know if I really agree with that sentiment. I thought this game was mostly was a lack of execution mixed with a very nice gameplan from Arizona State. Still, the offense did adjust well and finished with a healthy 6.2 yards per play and another 30+ point performance. With sack yardage removed, the offense went for 7.6 yards per play.

I was pleasantly surprised to see Kelly stay patient with the run game in the first half, although one could argue that was a mistake as Folston just could not get going on the ground. Up until the game was 31-3 the Irish had run 29 offensive snaps including 11 runs by Folston, 12 passes by Golson, 3 runs by Golson, and 3 sacks. Additionally, 4 out of those first 6 drives began with running plays by Folston.

However, when Folston could only gain 30 yards on those 11 carries and couldn't protect Golson that well he ended up on the bench. McDaniel was barely more effective with 24 yards on 9 carries, although 6 of those carries were all goal line carries on which he eventually scored 2 touchdowns. Once the game got to 31-3 the Irish running backs (well, just McDaniel) only got 3 non-goal line carries the rest of the game.

Some may have wanted more dedication to the run game at that point but if those who wanted such things were head coach they'd probably be dealing with a 48-13 loss.

Trench Analysis

You couldn't imagine a more dismal performance from the offensive line. Arizona State owned the line of scrimmage limited the Irish backs to just 54 yards on 20 carries. If that wasn't bad enough the line gave up an absurd 7 sacks. Some of those inevitably are on Golson's sketchiness in the pocket but the ND line did not hold up well at all to Arizona State's pressure, especially in the first half.

The play of the offensive line has been some of the most frustrating aspects to this team in 2014 and it gives me pause when looking toward 2015. The talent and recruiting are there--and nearly 600 rushing yards in the 3 games from North Carolina to Navy appeared to turn the season around--but this past weekend was a huge step backwards.

Coach Kelly assigned most of the loss to the offense (because turnovers, of course) and he is right in the sense that this was a game in which the Irish were going to have to out-score the Sun Devils. However, the run defense had some major break downs and couldn't control the game both early and late.

If I told you Taylor Kelly would only complete 17 passes for 224 yards I bet most would have believed Notre Dame would win this game. Yet, the Sun Devils out-rushed the Irish by 4.5 times and finished with 188 yards. When the game was closed to 34-31 it was really disheartening to see Arizona State rip off a couple long runs to get their mojo back.

Freshmen Update

Nyles Morgan, Daniel Cage, Justin Brent, Tyler Luatua, Nick Watkins, Drue Tranquill, Greer Martini, Grant Blankenship, and Andrew Trumbetti were the true freshmen to see the field on Saturday.

Morgan picked up his first career start and finished with 4 tackles. Trumbetti picked up his 3rd tackle for loss on the season.

Final Thoughts

  • The defense can't be held accountable for a pair of pick sixes and short fields against Arizona State but nevertheless the graduations, injuries, and suspensions have taken a toll on the unit. They've given up at least 5.5 yards per play in each of the last 4 games and have surrendered 42 points per game over that time span. It's not going to be easy to win out the rest of the regular season unless there is some improvement play by the defense.
  • Matthias Farely has somewhat quietly put up some impressive numbers this year. He's sixth on the team in tackles with 32 and also has 6.5 TFL, 3.5 sacks, and 3 interceptions.
  • I've got plenty of pride for the way that the team fought back in this game and came close, briefly, to almost turning the tables and winning one of the biggest comebacks in college football history. I still think on the whole that Arizona State played better and deserved to win, though.
  • With the personnel losses duly noted, the shine appears completely off of Brian VanGorder's system. On Saturday the Irish only mustered 6 tackles for loss and 1 sack. We knew one of the defenses biggest weaknesses would be generating a pass rush and against ASU the 4-man front was rendered completely useless generating pressure on their own. Even the blitzes aren't as effective as they once were earlier in the season. The 1.62 sacks per game is only marginally better than the Diaco defense last year.
  • We've been talking about Notre Dame's improved red zone offense this year and while this weekend wasn't their best effort, that Irish defense hasn't been able to keep opponents out of the end zone much. Through week 11 the Irish are giving up 70.9% touchdowns when the opponent enters the red zone. That is tied for 114th in the country. The Sun Devils scored touchdowns on 4 out of their 5 red zone attempts.
  • Both Cole Luke and Devin Butler played shaky early but settled in and made some nice plays after that finishing with 5 combined broken up passes.
  • Jaylon Smith has officially entered sophomore slump territory. Since the start of the North Carolina game he has totaled just 22 tackles with 1 quarterback hurry and no tackles for loss or sacks.
  • Max Redfield had the quietest game-high 10 tackles I've ever seen.
  • The depth for pass catchers continues to be impressive. Six different players totaled at least 30 yards against ASU.
  • Notre Dame's scoring average dipped slightly after Saturday afternoon, however, the 34.9 points per game are currently 9th best for an Irish offense since 1960 and the second best since 1997.
  • No loss is easy to take. The team's ability to fight back and make it a game in the second half made this easier to swallow. Even though it was a 24-point loss on a big stage I don't think it would land on the Top 100 Worst Losses list from the summer, especially with a pair of pick sixes making that score look worse. Like Golson, this team is beautifully flawed. There is talent and ability to play very well but the cards just aren't lining up for a run to the playoffs. That's okay, the team is young and suffered too much attrition on defense. Moreover, we don't have to start looking to next year already and feel comfortable that we'll be awesome in 2015. This team still has a lot to prove in 2014 before we can start thinking about a big run next season. That run next year is not set in stone. Some more proof is needed in areas like the offensive line, limiting turnovers, and seeing if any young defenders like Nyles Morgan can turn some of their potential into reality.

And here are Eric Hansen's impressions:

Knee-jerk optimism in the aftermath of what Brian Kelly on Sunday called “The Debacle in the Desert” pushes the mind toward 2015 and all the tantalizing possibilities that could unfold for the Notre Dame football team then and there.

A recent recruiting surge and the fact the Irish are tied with Temple for the fewest number of players with expiring eligibility on its two-deeps (5) among the 125 fully fledged FBS college football teams, reinforce the notion that the magic that percolated through the first eight games of this season will actually start manifesting when the Irish open Sept. 5 with Texas.

But true evolution never happens without asking and answering the tough questions in the present.

And whenever there’s a Gerry Faust Era parallel involved, no matter how convoluted, it’s time to look inside.

The 55 points Arizona State posted on the Sun Devil Stadium scoreboard Saturday in Tempe, Ariz., in a 55-31 statistically-twisted throttling of then AP eighth-ranked Notre Dame were the most since the 58 Miami torched Faust with in the final game before the Lou Holtz renaissance.

Also Saturday, ND dropped to 2-6 since 2007 in games immediately following a matchup with Navy. The only two wins in that stretch (Wake Forest in 2011, Purdue in 2012) were close calls against big underdogs. For the record, the Irish play USC next season the week after facing the Midshipmen.

What looked from the outside to be a defensive implosion had enough shock value to cause the Irish (7-2) to tumble to 15th in the AP poll and 16th in the Amway coaches poll and certainly out of playoff contention when the newest College Football Playoff rankings get unveiled Tuesday night.

The two most troubling numbers, though, for the present and the future are these:
• In senior quarterback Everett Golson’s last six games, he has committed more turnovers (17) than 74 FBS teams have coughed up in their entire 2014 seasons. That includes Saturday’s home opponent Northwestern (3-6), a 16½-point underdog, and seven other teams on the Irish schedule.

• With 21 sacks given up through nine games, the Irish already have hit a Kelly Era high for the most in a season and have 13 more than in 2013 with a non-mobile Tommy Rees at QB.

The two backward trends, and the ones that need the most immediate attention, share the connection of the Irish offensive line — reshuffled after game 3, decidedly disheveled Saturday in yielding seven sacks, and perhaps ripe for more tinkering.

The regression there is baffling, given offensive line coach Harry Hiestand’s track record, the talent both among the starting five and bubbling behind them in reserve, and flashes of competence/dominance.

Northwestern is a tepid 99th in sacks by its defense nationally, but Louisville, coming to Notre Dame Stadium on Nov. 22, is 11th, and the Cardinals can generate a pass rush without much gambling or blitzing.

Why wouldn’t all three remaining regular-season opponents use Arizona State’s blueprint until Notre Dame shows it has a competent counter-punch for it?

That’s not to dismiss Golson’s contributions to ND’s newest soft spot.

My email box and Twitter feed were teeming with suggestions of a demotion for the senior, who packaged the fifth-highest passing yardage total (446) in school history and a four-spot climb in the national pass-efficiency rankings to 23rd with four interceptions, a lost fumble and a 22-yard flailing sack on fourth down that was almost as destructive to the bottom line as his two Pick-6s.

Could a player, in sophomore Malik Zaire, who has yet to attempt a single collegiate pass and who’s had one cameo since Sept. 6, really be an upgrade?

Kelly, ND’s fifth-year head football coach, justifiably dismissed the notion quickly Saturday in Tempe, and here’s part of the reason why:

At No. 16 nationally in passing offense, 29th in total offense, 28th in scoring offense and 23rd in team passing efficiency, ND is at Kelly Era highs in all four of those categories and dramatically so in some.

Quarterbacks tend to evolve in judgment and ball security over time with a strong commitment to do so. And just because Golson is a senior academically, he’s closer to a sophomore in terms of experience and learning curve.

“I think (in) the first 35 plays we had most or all of our mistakes,” Kelly said of Saturday’s ASU loss. “And they were all correctable mistakes.

“Then our next 47 plays, other than the last play of the game (for Golson), the last sack there where we were trying to make a play, he's doing really good things.

“So we know what he's capable of doing. It's striving for consistency, because we get really great batches of work. It's really gaining that consistency for four quarters. So my eyes tell me the body of work just needs to be more consistent.”

The challenge for Kelly and quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur is how to bring on that consistency in calendar year 2014.

First-year defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder has his own challenges after starting the year as the face of one of college football’s most pleasantly surprising story lines.

One involves the physical condition of grad cornerback Cody Riggs, whose sprained foot was later diagnosed as a stress reaction and caused him to miss Saturday’s game entirely.
Sophomore Devin Butler stepped in against ASU.

“It's a hot spot,” Kelly said of Riggs’ foot. “There is no fracture, but … he's got inflammation and sensitivity on that foot. So rest is going to help. I think it helps him get back in the lineup.

“But it's something we're going to have to monitor the rest of the year. I think we'll probably have to cut back a little bit in his practice and really kind of make sure that we can get him through the rest of the season.”

Pass defense (60th) continues to be an eroding statistic for VanGorder, though the Irish remain in the top 50 in total defense at 44th and face a severely offensively challenged Northwestern team on Saturday.

The Wildcats’ No. 92 ranking in passing offense represents their best foot forward in the major offensive categories. They're below 110th in rushing offense, total offense, scoring offense and team passing-efficiency.

All of which may give VanGorder a little more leeway in helping freshman Nyles Morgan settle in as the new voice and heart of ND’s defense, his own most immediate and urgent issue.

Morgan had four tackles in his first collegiate start, filling in for senior Joe Schmidt, out for the year following leg surgery.

“It was what we kind of expected for a first-time start from Nyles,” Kelly said. “The communication was just OK. We were hoping for some help from others that we didn't get. He played a little tentative for his first game out there.”

The coaching challenge is to microwave the process, whether that means slimming down Morgan’s responsibilities or living with the mistakes he makes while trying to navigate a full plate.

The non-negotiable part of the equation are the pieces around Morgan and the ND defense as a whole becoming more vanilla.

ND’s defensive strength, at this stage of the players’ careers, is not the individual pieces but how they fit together and the creative and unpredictable ways to move them around and generate pressure/confusion for opposing offenses.

Even the place-kicking operation needs a boost after Kyle Brindza missed two field goals against Navy on Nov. 1 and didn’t get a 32-yarder off early in the fourth quarter Saturday because of a botched hold. Kelly also took issue with snapper Scott Daly on the play.

The ND depth chart doesn’t list a backup holder to walk-on Hunter Smith, but it’s redshirting freshman punter Tyler Newsome.

Despite some earlier holding problems this season, specifically against Stanford on Oct. 4, Kelly said that’s one area where there won’t be a shuffling of personnel.

“Those are the only two guys (Smith and Daly),” he said. “These guys like live with each other all summer. It's just absolutely crazy that we can't get a snap and catch in that situation. These two kids have been working together for a year and a half, Smith and Daly. These guys have got to get the job done.”

The little picture, attempting to fix the immediate and glaring flaws, will be Kelly’s mantra this week, but young minds tend to drift toward the larger context — what’s left to play for?
The best thing that can happen for both the 2014 Irish and the 2015 aspirations as well is for ND to play on the biggest postseason stage possible, to test whether the fixes can hold up to elite opposition and circumstances.

A possible berth in one of the top-tier Dec. 31/Jan. 1 bowls (Peach, Cotton, Fiesta) is still in play for a 10-2 Irish team. Notre Dame realistically would have to climb back into the Top 10 of the CFP rankings for the final set on Dec. 7 for that to happen. Less plausible, given the SEC/Big Ten contingencies, is a date with an ACC team in the Orange Bowl.

Remember, the committee picks the teams for the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta so ND’s normal high ticket sales/big TV audience appeal is neutralized.

Not so for either the Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus Bowl (Jan. 1 vs. SEC) or the Russell Athletic Bowl (Dec. 29 vs. Big 12), the most likely landing spots for a 9-3 ND team at this moment.
But the Irish would have to be within one win of a competing ACC team to take their spot. So another regular-season loss for Clemson and/or Duke would open that door.

“We're going to focus on cleaning up what we need to clean up internally, offensively, defensively,” Kelly said. “So there won't be any big-picture conversations. We've got a lot of work to do to be better as a football team. That's going to be the focus this week.”

Both Murtaugh and Hansen emphasized my biggest concern going forward: our OL struggles. They're absolutely baffling since we've arguably recruited the position better than anyone else in the nation over the last several years. All of the other issues that plagued us against ASU will likely work themselves out heading into 2015, but if there's an underlying weakness in our OL development or scheme, that would place a low ceiling on what ND can expect to achieve in the foreseeable future.
 

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You could be right. He looked sluggish even in the pregame. I thought it was the heat.

Heat may have been an issue for the entire team. They were a completely different team in the second half once their sideline and most of field was covered in shade. Not making excuses, asu played on the same field.

Interesting bit of info, ASU had only started 2 games during daylight. Both were on the road at 4:30 so the heat, light, shadows were all completely foreign to them.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Arizona State had a net turnover margin of 24.6 points against ND, the 5th highest single game total of the year <a href="http://t.co/I9KZefFn4N">http://t.co/I9KZefFn4N</a></p>— Brian Fremeau (@bcfremeau) <a href="https://twitter.com/bcfremeau/status/531804101123014656">November 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Here's Murtaugh's review of the ASU game:



And here are Eric Hansen's impressions:



Both Murtaugh and Hansen emphasized my biggest concern going forward: our OL struggles. They're absolutely baffling since we've arguably recruited the position better than anyone else in the nation over the last several years. All of the other issues that plagued us against ASU will likely work themselves out heading into 2015, but if there's an underlying weakness in our OL development or scheme, that would place a low ceiling on what ND can expect to achieve in the foreseeable future.

I agree that our O-line has really struggled this year (pretty much everyone besides Stanley on it has struggled at some point, and a few have struggled in most of the games) but I think that the stat about sacks last year vs this year is slightly misleading. Rees knew that he wasn't a threat to get away from the rush so he threw the ball quickly while Golson seems to hold on to the ball a bit longer and then attempt to get away from the rush. Also I think we are doing a worse job at picking up the blitz this year but I don't know if that is all on the o-line. So while I think that our O-line has been significantly worse than last year, I think that Golson also needs to know to get rid of the ball faster (or make the decision to tuck and run faster). Also ND seemed to handle the pressure better when Cam was in, he did a great job of picking up the blitzers that were getting through in the first half.
 
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My perspective from watching the game in person from one of the endzones:

1. It was extremely sunny in the first quarter right in Golson's eyes. I was facing the same direction as him with sunglasses on and it was difficult for me to see. I really think he would have thrown one less interception if sun wasn't a factor.

2. The crowd was really loud and actually quite nice to me. I was nowhere near the students and I couldn't hear myself at critical downs. At the end of the game a lot of people shook my hand as I walked out. Respect to ASU.

3. The play calling at the goal lines was atrocious. Ran like three times when time was a factor and threw earlier in the game when you had to run.

4. I don't understand why we didn't a) go for 2 when we were down 24 & b) why we didn't onside kick at some point. The onside kick coverage was absolutely not there for ASU. They had 2 bodies at the line on either side. Why? Because they knew we are the most vanilla special teams unit in the country.

5. Defense played well but gave up that critical drive at the end. Really disappointing.

6. I'm almost to the point where I wouldn't attempt a field goal in a critical situation no matter what. It's scary how bad that unit has been.

7. Farley continues to be a nice surprise. Dline played well from my perspective.

8. We need to throw the ball up the middle to Koyack more. It's always open. I'm guessing EGs height might be the problem there.


Truth. It was killing me watching it during the game. Throw Koyak the damn ball on the seem route.
 

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Golson's arm can make any throw on the field (if he can see it). Any talk of QB controversy is wasted breath. Our offense puts up tons of points with an O-line that is sub-par. The o-line gets anywhere close to their star ranking on the field and we will be able to impose our will on people. Until then, we need a dynamic QB that can create. By the time Zaire takes the ball, he will have significantly different job than Golson has today.

I am amazed by how dismissive people are to Golson's experience. Yes he has melted under bright lights frequently but he always bounces back. I am frustrated the game has not slowed down more for him at this point but to think a RS Freshman is going to have balls of steel where a 17-3 RS Junior who played in a Championship game is faltering borders on lunacy.

Yesterday I posted my thoughts on Golson, the INT's, fumbles and batted balls. Today I'm wondering if were not expecting too much from him as he is in the midst of his second year?
 

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Yesterday I posted my thoughts on Golson, the INT's, fumbles and batted balls. Today I'm wondering if were not expecting too much from him as he is in the midst of his second year?

That's where I'm at. He's much closer to a sophomore in experience than a junior, which is partly why I'm not terribly worried about the TOs. Those are mostly coachable mistakes that can be corrected going forward.
 
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Yesterday I posted my thoughts on Golson, the INT's, fumbles and batted balls. Today I'm wondering if were not expecting too much from him as he is in the midst of his second year?[/QUOTE]

I don't think we're asking too much of him because of his youth. The last two heisman winners were RS freshman. Look at how good JT Barrett looked at MSU. It doesn't take 3-4 years to become a good CFB QB these days, at least not the elite ones.

We're asking too much because our OL stinks and the WRs aren't as good as we think IMO. I like Fuller a lot, and he's close to a #1 but he's small with suspect hands and isn't a posession receiver. And after that, there's no separation IMO. Golson's scrambling for his life and trying to find WRs/TEs that are not great.

He's talented enough right now, but the talent around him isn't there IMO.
 
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