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[Wild Bill]

Not following. Candidates are starting to enter the race, and this isn't helping. SCOTUS is in a place that's not conducive to this topic. Timing is just plain bad over the next two years for this.

The left isn't content in simply holding office like the right. They're interested in wielding power and this has more to do with imposing their agenda than pandering for votes in 2020. The right should take some notes.

If elected officials intend to wield power to impose an unpopular law, it's better to do it now than it is a few weeks before election day. I think that's what lax is saying but I could be wrong. The media will be more than happy to run cover for an abortion position that is tantamount to murder during the election cycle so this won't be an issue for the DNC.

 

[wizards8507]

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Holy hell these people are stupid.

 

[GowerND11]

from below

Yeah, I saw that that, but wasn't understanding the context.

Thanks

 

[IrishLax]

Not following. Candidates are starting to enter the race, and this isn't helping. SCOTUS is in a place that's not conducive to this topic. Timing is just plain bad over the next two years for this.

This is as close to the 2018 midterms as you can get. It is way better to try to push through something now than wait until, say, Spring 2020 when it'll then be a hot button presidential campaign topic.

 

[Irish YJ]

The left isn't content in simply holding office like the right. They're interested in wielding power and this has more to do with imposing their agenda than pandering for votes in 2020. The right should take some notes.

If elected officials intend to wield power to impose an unpopular law, it's better to do it now than it is a few weeks before election day. I think that's what lax is saying but I could be wrong. The media will be more than happy to run cover for an abortion position that is tantamount to murder during the election cycle so this won't be an issue for the DNC.

Disagree. I believe this will further erode middle America for them. There's a lot of good Catholics (and common sense others) who have voted Dem that are now appalled. Some of them were content with what they consider "common sense early term pro choice", but are mortified by late term. The first text I got on the topic was from a family member who's a lefty, and late term is a deal breaker for them.

And it may be better to do it now, but it's best to do it post 2020 regardless of the 2020 outcome. This is extremism by some, but I guarantee Dem candidates like Harris and Gillinbrand (who just introduced maternal mortality bills) wish this would go away. Then you have Warren in Catholic state and you think she wants to talk about this? Castro doesn't want this to be an issue when he's selling to Catholic Hispanics. Delaney who is a Catholic wants nothing to do with this topic. How about Buttigieg even from SB/St. Joes?

 

[Irish#1]

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such robots for the left narrative.
won't even begin to answer a simple direct question (like a few on the board).

She puts Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers to shame with that tap dance.

 

[Wild Bill]

Disagree. I believe this will further erode middle America for them. There's a lot of good Catholics (and common sense others) who have voted Dem that are now appalled. Some of them were content with what they consider "common sense early term pro choice", but are mortified by late term. The first text I got on the topic was from a family member who's a lefty, and late term is a deal breaker for them

And it may be better to do it now, but it's best to do it post 2020 regardless of the 2020 outcome. This is extremism by some, but I guarantee Dem candidates like Harris and Gillinbrand (who just introduced maternal mortality bills) wish this would go away. Then you have Warren in Catholic state and you think she wants to talk about this? Castro doesn't want this to be an issue when he's selling to Catholic Hispanics. Delaney who is a Catholic wants nothing to do with this topic. How about Buttigieg even from SB/St. Joes?

That's just it - who is going to force any of these candidates to talk about this and push the issue like Tucker tried to do last night? These candidates, with the help of our wonderful media, will frame the issue as an issue of "women's rights", "reproductive health", "a woman's right to healthcare" or "reproductive justice". And if none of that works, they'll just change the conversation.

There's no need to speculate. We can simply look at the 2016 election for our answer:
Hilary's position on abortion during the 2016 election is nearly identical to the position currently being debated, and how often was her position seriously questioned during the last election? If I'm not mistaken, the issue of abortion was discussed just once in the three Presidential debates, and Trump did a surprisingly good job of illustrating the disgusting affects of her position. Yet, according the the research below, Hilary won the Catholic vote by a small margin (this is disputed by some, but either way, it was very close).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2016 ANES data, out today, indicates Catholics voted for Clinton 48% & Trump 45%. Final exit polls had estimated Trump 50% & Clinton 46%. <a href="https://t.co/GqV8dcJjiI">pic.twitter.com/GqV8dcJjiI</a></p>— CARA (@caracatholic) <a href="https://twitter.com/caracatholic/status/847891169254277121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It wasn't even close with Hispanic Catholics.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big differences in choices at the ballot box in 2016 among Catholics by race and ethnicity: <a href="https://t.co/qP6QSdKRwe">pic.twitter.com/qP6QSdKRwe</a></p>— CARA (@caracatholic) <a href="https://twitter.com/caracatholic/status/849678038535221253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So to answer your question, I don't think any of the Democratic candidates, given the results of the last election and the medias willingness to avoid the dirty details of the issue, will worry much about alienating Catholic voters of all ethnic backgrounds with this position on abortion. And they'd probably laugh their asses off at the notion of losing Hispanic Catholics with this position on abortion (same is true for black Catholics and/or Christians). The left understands something that the right simply refuses to acknowledge (but they do understand) - ethnic identity matters more than religious identity to most people.

Sure, they'll lose some votes on this issue but the numbers and demographics suggest they'll be able to gain more than enough to replace those who are lost.

 

[Irish YJ]

Sorry, I think it's different. There has never been an in-your-face effort like the one that is going on specific to late term abortions. HRC's quiet view is one thing. And she was not close to level of brashness we're seeing today. She never introduced state legislation like what just happened, or celebrated late term laws like the current shit show. What we are seeing now is whole different level, and has the ability to impact more.

That's just it - who is going to force any of these candidates to talk about this and push the issue like Tucker tried to do last night? These candidates, with the help of our wonderful media, will frame the issue as an issue of "women's rights", "reproductive health", "a woman's right to healthcare" or "reproductive justice". And if none of that works, they'll just change the conversation.

There's no need to speculate. We can simply look at the 2016 election for our answer:
Hilary's position on abortion during the 2016 election is nearly identical to the position currently being debated, and how often was her position seriously questioned during the last election? If I'm not mistaken, the issue of abortion was discussed just once in the three Presidential debates, and Trump did a surprisingly good job of illustrating the disgusting affects of her position. Yet, according the the research below, Hilary won the Catholic vote by a small margin (this is disputed by some, but either way, it was very close).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2016 ANES data, out today, indicates Catholics voted for Clinton 48% & Trump 45%. Final exit polls had estimated Trump 50% & Clinton 46%. <a href="https://t.co/GqV8dcJjiI">pic.twitter.com/GqV8dcJjiI</a></p>— CARA (@caracatholic) <a href="https://twitter.com/caracatholic/status/847891169254277121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It wasn't even close with Hispanic Catholics.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big differences in choices at the ballot box in 2016 among Catholics by race and ethnicity: <a href="https://t.co/qP6QSdKRwe">pic.twitter.com/qP6QSdKRwe</a></p>— CARA (@caracatholic) <a href="https://twitter.com/caracatholic/status/849678038535221253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So to answer your question, I don't think any of the Democratic candidates, given the results of the last election and the medias willingness to avoid the dirty details of the issue, will worry much about alienating Catholic voters of all ethnic backgrounds with this position on abortion. And they'd probably laugh their asses off at the notion of losing Hispanic Catholics with this position on abortion (same is true for black Catholics and/or Christians). The left understands something that the right simply refuses to acknowledge (but they do understand) - ethnic identity matters more than religious identity to most people.

Sure, they'll lose some votes on this issue but the numbers and demographics suggest they'll be able to gain more than enough to replace those who are lost.

 

[Wild Bill]

Sorry, I think it's different. There has never been an in-your-face effort like the one that is going on specific to late term abortions. HRC's quiet view is one thing. And she was not close to level of brashness we're seeing today. She never introduced state legislation like what just happened, or celebrated late term laws like the current shit show. What we are seeing now is whole different level, and has the ability to impact more.

What YOU are seeing NOW may be a whole different level but you're not the average voter, YJ. And like Lax pointed out, we're far away from election night. This news cycle will be memory-holed by 95% of the media during the 2020 campaign, and good luck to the 5% who try to wrap this position around the neck of any Dem candidate, whether they support it or not.

Trump forced Hilary to openly support late term abortion during a Presidential debate with record setting ratings, and she won the votes of the majority of Catholic voters. It's hard to believe, and even harder for me to ignore.

I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

 

[Irish YJ]

What YOU are seeing NOW may be a whole different level but you're not the average voter, YJ. And like Lax pointed out, we're far away from election night. This news cycle will be memory-holed by 95% of the media during the 2020 campaign, and good luck to the 5% who try to wrap this position around the neck of any Dem candidate, whether they support it or not.

Trump forced Hilary to openly support late term abortion during a Presidential debate with record setting ratings, and she won the votes of the majority of Catholic voters. It's hard to believe, and even harder for me to ignore.

I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

Just feels a whole lot different to me, and others that I've spoke with (at least half Dems). HRC spun the health issue stuff, and the heart break of it during the debate. That's different from the brashness we are seeing now. And while she supported, she wasn't pushing bills, or turning buildings pink to celebrate specifically laws about late term abortions.

If the R is smart, they will keep this front and center, so it isn't an afterthought when the debates come around.

And it's that brashness that can change things IMO. As we see in the polls, there's a very clear line of support for early term abortions, but late term gets very little support. Most people, Catholic or not, are disgusted by the thought.

Folks like Dolan and the Pope need to go on the offensive too with old school excommunication for people like Cuomo. Dolan at least was vocal about him celebrating with pink... Toss his ass out, and I bet church going Catholics take notice, including Hispanic ones.

 

[RDU Irish]

I agree with YJ - this feels different. You have specific bills in liberal states to point to. The extreme position of infanticide is clearly being celebrated and 90% of the population finds it disgusting. Just as the extreme view of "always illegal" has been painted on every single pro-life person. This infanticide will be hung on every single pro-choicer now to much more affect than those labels on opposition to first trimester abortion.

 

[Irish YJ]

Dems backtracking because of the outrage already.

Dem co-sponsor of late-term abortion bill apologizes, says she did not read the text
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...ill-apologizes-says-she-did-not-read-the-bill

 

[Irish YJ]

So you can refuse service due to political beliefs, but not religious....


Bay Area restaurant bans MAGA hats, receives mixed response
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/bay-area-restaurant-bans-maga-hat-receives-mixed-response

 

[Irish#1]

Dems backtracking because of the outrage already.

Dem co-sponsor of late-term abortion bill apologizes, says she did not read the text
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...ill-apologizes-says-she-did-not-read-the-bill

Didn't read the bill, just signed on as a sponsor? That's mob mentality. Do your job, even if it means you have to stay late or take some work home with you.

Cuomo is an idiot.

 

[NorthDakota]

Just feels a whole lot different to me, and others that I've spoke with (at least half Dems). HRC spun the health issue stuff, and the heart break of it during the debate. That's different from the brashness we are seeing now. And while she supported, she wasn't pushing bills, or turning buildings pink to celebrate specifically laws about late term abortions.

If the R is smart, they will keep this front and center, so it isn't an afterthought when the debates come around.

And it's that brashness that can change things IMO. As we see in the polls, there's a very clear line of support for early term abortions, but late term gets very little support. Most people, Catholic or not, are disgusted by the thought.

Folks like Dolan and the Pope need to go on the offensive too with old school excommunication for people like Cuomo. Dolan at least was vocal about him celebrating with pink... Toss his ass out, and I bet church going Catholics take notice, including Hispanic ones.

Dolan said he won't excommunicate him, but I am really struggling to understand why. I think he said it is a tool not to be used as a weapon, but if this doesn't merit excommunication, I am wondering what does?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Didn't read the bill, just signed on as a sponsor? That's mob mentality. Do your job, even if it means you have to stay late or take some work home with you.

Cuomo is an idiot.

Border walls are immoral. Murdering a newborn is not. Got it.

 

[Irish YJ]

Didn't read the bill, just signed on as a sponsor? That's mob mentality. Do your job, even if it means you have to stay late or take some work home with you.

Cuomo is an idiot.

I actually don't believe her new story. She knew exactly what was in, and she was simply overwhelmed by the outcry over it. She's now trying to cloud things in the hopes the issue will get buried in another news cycle. Better to plead ignorance and laziness, than be seen by a lot of people as a supporter of late term and at-birth infanticide.

Dolan said he won't excommunicate him, but I am really struggling to understand why. I think he said it is a tool not to be used as a weapon, but if this doesn't merit excommunication, I am wondering what does?

Not a fan of Dolan going back to him hiding money. He's a politician, not a moral leader. This absolutely warrants excommunication.

Border walls are immoral. Murdering a newborn is not. Got it.

Dem logic...

 

[Irish YJ]

VA Gov Northam is now saying he was taken out of context, and is "disgusted" with the push back he has received.

Well Gov, you might get a little push back when you start talking about 4th trimester killing of infants.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

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[zelezo vlk]

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I figured I wasn't the only one to see this. I'm all about it

 

[wizards8507]

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That is the most pansy-ass shit I've ever heard.

"Try taking an iPhone away from a seventh grader," says Tucker, implying that it's impossible. Nut up and be a goddamn parent! Do you, Whiskeyjack, need help from Congress to prevent your kids from owning a smartphone? Of course not.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That is the most pansy-ass shit I've ever heard.

"Try taking an iPhone away from a seventh grader," says Tucker, implying that it's impossible. Nut up and be a goddamn parent! Do you, Whiskeyjack, need help from Congress to prevent your kids from owning a smartphone? Of course not.

No (my oldest is in 5th grade), but the other parents at my kids' school apparently do. And I can't control what their friends might show them on a smart phone when I'm not around. No minor needs a portable super computer full of addicting apps in their pocket, and there's a quickly growing body of research confirming how harmful it is for them. You're apparently confident in your ability to maintain a counter-culture in your own home (good for you), but it's still going to affect your kids through their peers. That's how societies work, bruh.

 

[Irish YJ]

In all seriousness, kids with phones is only one of many things to fear in terms of tech.

 

[wizards8507]

No (my oldest is in 5th grade), but the other parents at my kids' school apparently do. And I can't control what their friends might show them on a smart phone when I'm not around. No minor needs a portable super computer full of addicting apps in their pocket, and there's a quickly growing body of research confirming how harmful it is for them. You're apparently confident in your ability to maintain a counter-culture in your own home (good for you), but it's still going to affect your kids through their peers. That's how societies work, bruh.

Right, because what parents in 2019 really need is more coddling and less responsibilities.

 

[GowerND11]

Right, because what parents in 2019 really need is more coddling and less responsibilities.

You are smarter than this though Wiz. It isn't just about parents not doing the job. It isn't about kids being spoiled. Those are part of it, but in reality the tech companies are preying on the weak (children, amongst others). They use addictive sights and sounds to draw them in, along with the fact that it is way too easy for young children to find porn on the internent these days. Whiskey has gone over this before too, we aren't talking about Playboy here. Hell, we aren't even talking about just sex on porn. We are talking about extremely graphic stuff. I'm all in favor of the right to make this stuff and all, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think we can't find a middle ground here as a society to limit the exposure of children to this stuff while allowing adults to make the decision to watch it.

 

[wizards8507]

You are smarter than this though Wiz. It isn't just about parents not doing the job. It isn't about kids being spoiled. Those are part of it, but in reality the tech companies are preying on the weak (children, amongst others). They use addictive sights and sounds to draw them in, along with the fact that it is way too easy for young children to find porn on the internent these days. Whiskey has gone over this before too, we aren't talking about Playboy here. Hell, we aren't even talking about just sex on porn. We are talking about extremely graphic stuff. I'm all in favor of the right to make this stuff and all, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think we can't find a middle ground here as a society to limit the exposure of children to this stuff while allowing adults to make the decision to watch it.

You're changing the subject. I'm not talking about porn, which is way too easy for kids to access by going around their parents. I agree with that. I'm talking about smartphones, which are thousand-dollar devices. A kid doesn't accidentally get an iPhone or get one from the bad kid in class. Mom and dad are actively signing him up for it.

 

[ND NYC]

You're changing the subject. I'm not talking about porn, which is way too easy for kids to access by going around their parents. I agree with that. I'm talking about smartphones, which are thousand-dollar devices. A kid doesn't accidentally get an iPhone or get one from the bad kid in class. Mom and dad are actively signing him up for it.

I guarantee you will get your kids their own smartphones between 5th and 7th grade.
and you'll probably let them mess around with a ipad or some other type device prior to that.

 

[Irish YJ]

now walking back...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s my statement about the comment I tweeted the other day. <a href="https://t.co/A84kK9Pwex">https://t.co/A84kK9Pwex</a></p>— J. Kenji “Individual Fun” López-Alt (@kenjilopezalt) <a href="https://twitter.com/kenjilopezalt/status/1091345906945781761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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So you can refuse service due to political beliefs, but not religious....


Bay Area restaurant bans MAGA hats, receives mixed response
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/bay-area-restaurant-bans-maga-hat-receives-mixed-response

 

[Whiskeyjack]

now walking back...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s my statement about the comment I tweeted the other day. <a href="https://t.co/A84kK9Pwex">https://t.co/A84kK9Pwex</a></p>— J. Kenji “Individual Fun” López-Alt (@kenjilopezalt) <a href="https://twitter.com/kenjilopezalt/status/1091345906945781761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Didn't realize that headline involved Lopez-Alt's new restaurant. Before you write him off entirely, note that his articles at Serious Eats are incredibly informative; especially his stuff on preparing steaks and burgers. He's helped me raise my grilling game a lot.

 

[RDU Irish]

You guys are confusing porn with the real problem. Some three year old playing Candy Crush 10 hours a day is a pretty damn mind rotting thing. People throw devices at their kids like pacifiers and it has very negative long term consequences. Parents don't care, they just want their kid to shut up, leave them alone and be cool.