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GoIrish41

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I thought Kasich was the best candidate on the stage and it was not even close. LOL at Trump, Cruz, and Huckabee. Christie has no chance and Paul appears to be grasping for attention. Bush seemed on message at times but seemed to have trouble completing his points with confidence (sme off as scripted. Carson seems to want to be the candidate for building the military and flexing superpower muscle. Walker does not have the chops or the smarts for this. I thought Rubio did well. But I heard vey little from any of them that I thought would move the needle for any of them very much. I bet there is a Trump bump by Monday ... He got more applause from the live audience than anyone else.
 
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Again agree, Carson is extremely 'likable' IMO... In fact most of them are really, huckabe is a cartoon and Trump is a jackass... Most others seemed like net positives overall...

I hate to say it, but Bush looks and sounds the part, pretty impressed... (Let me go smash my head in a wall now)

Edit... Walker was very eh to me...

From what I saw of the JV debate...Fiorina was actually good....belonged on stage with the varsity team

Rick Perry was ok...certainly credible on border control and jobs.

From the Varsity...Yea, Jeb wasn't perfect, but he looked the part. Trump was exactly who I thought he'd be...the rest were ok.

My favorite was the thing they did after with Wasserman Shultz...I laughed so hard I pissed my pants. She is a PERFECT representative of the Democrat position...she could not have done a better job...
 

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From what I saw of the JV debate...Fiorina was actually good....belonged on stage with the varsity team

Rick Perry was ok...certainly credible on border control and jobs.

From the Varsity...Yea, Jeb wasn't perfect, but he looked the part. Trump was exactly who I thought he'd be...the rest were ok.

My favorite was the thing they did after with Wasserman Shultz...I laughed so hard I pissed my pants. She is a PERFECT representative of the Democrat position...she could not have done a better job...

Missed this....what happened?
 

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If the Republicans nominate Carson after years of bitching about Obama and his lack of experience, I would laugh. Talk about being hypocritical (not you, but the Republican party if that happened).

I like Carson but he won't get the backing he needs. He is the smartest of all the candidates in both parties. I do think not having experience does hurt him a bit.
 

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And wooly,... Kiss it, seriously.

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I liked rubio when I first started reading about hm but I don't like his stupid remaks like he mad last night about the dems not having one candidate. That's just dumb to say that. Comes across as distasteful to me.
 

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Or believe in evolution....

Don't give a shit if he doesn't believe in something entirely irrelevant to politics. He is the smartest of all the candidates, Republican or Democrat.

That is not to say he is electable, because he is not at the moment.
 
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I really like Paul. He's one of the few politicians who understands the Constitution, respects it, and protects it. That should be quality number one for any presidential candidate, regardless of party.

However, his style of politics doesn't lend itself to debates because his answer is mostly "get rid of it" or "cut it back." He needs to do a much better job of explaining why that's a good thing. It could help separate him from other candidates.
 

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I liked rubio when I first started reading about hm but I don't like his stupid remaks like he mad last night about the dems not having one candidate. That's just dumb to say that. Comes across as distasteful to me.

I don't mind Rubio, but find him to be somewhat unrelateable (despite his "American Dream" life story). I think his problem will be that he comes off as a political robot, perfectly coiffed programmed to give safe answers laced with political buzzwords. I think it would do him well to loosen up a bit.
 
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I don't mind Rubio, but find him to be somewhat unrelateable (despite his "American Dream" life story). I think his problem will be that he comes off as a political robot, perfectly coiffed programmed to give safe answers laced with political buzzwords. I think it would do him well to loosen up a bit.



My wife (who leans to the right) thought he was winning the debate last night until he started talking about rape and abortions. As a person who leans to left I couldn't believe some of the questions Fox asked. They really didn't do many favors. If I were in charge of the RNC the topics of gay marriage and abortion wouldn't have came up.
 

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My wife (who leans to the right) thought he was winning the debate last night until he started talking about rape and abortions. As a person who leans to left I couldn't believe some of the questions Fox asked. They really didn't do many favors. If I were in charge of the RNC the topics of gay marriage and abortion wouldn't have came up.

His view is that life begins at conception -- so I don't think his stance against rape exceptions should surprise or offend anyone. Thought the question was tough, but he handled it well.

I was generally impressed with how Fox went after some of the candidates perceived weaknesses.
 

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My wife (who leans to the right) thought he was winning the debate last night until he started talking about rape and abortions. As a person who leans to left I couldn't believe some of the questions Fox asked. They really didn't do many favors. If I were in charge of the RNC the topics of gay marriage and abortion wouldn't have came up.

Agree completely.

I thought the opening ten minutes were too sophomoric and once the debate started the questions were awful and disjointed.

The format of having ten on the stage also made it tough for anybody to really get on a roll.

Have more debates with fewer candidates involved and rotate the panel.
 

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They really didn't do many favors. If I were in charge of the RNC the topics of gay marriage and abortion wouldn't have came up.

Kasich's answer to the question if one of his daughters was gay I thought he handled very well.
 

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Agree completely.

I thought the opening ten minutes were too sophomoric and once the debate started the questions were awful and disjointed.

The format of having ten on the stage also made it tough for anybody to really get on a roll.

Have more debates with fewer candidates involved and rotate the panel.

You aren't going to have a cohesive, flowing debate in a forum with ten candidates (one of them being Donald Trump). It just wasn't going to happen.

Fox asked some hard question that hit on the perceived weaknesses of each candidate. Let them either succeed in addressing their perception, or flame out and effectively end their candidacy. I think the goal was to thin the herd a bit.
 

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Don't give a shit if he doesn't believe in something entirely irrelevant to politics. He is the smartest of all the candidates, Republican or Democrat.

That is not to say he is electable, because he is not at the moment.

Talk about an oxymoron
 

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You aren't going to have a cohesive, flowing debate in a forum with ten candidates (one of them being Donald Trump). It just wasn't going to happen.

Fox asked some hard question that hit on the perceived weaknesses of each candidate. Let them either succeed in addressing their perception, or flame out and effectively end their candidacy. I think the goal was to thin the herd a bit.


My issue with that last night was that they focused on a couple of the candidates too much.

I would like to see a statistical breakdown of how many questions were asked of each candidate. I may be way off, but it seemed like Rubio, Walker, Christie, and Bush had more questions asked of them than the others. Carson even joked about it at one point.
 

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My issue with that last night was that they focused on a couple of the candidates too much.

I would like to see a statistical breakdown of how many questions were asked of each candidate. I may be way off, but it seemed like Rubio, Walker, Christie, and Bush had more questions asked of them than the others. Carson even joked about it at one point.

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Darker bars indicate responses that were longer than 60 seconds.

I forget the breakdown of who was actually asked the most questions, but I believe Carson was third and Christie was either last or second to last.
 

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I thought Kasich was the best candidate on the stage and it was not even close. LOL at Trump, Cruz, and Huckabee. Christie has no chance and Paul appears to be grasping for attention. Bush seemed on message at times but seemed to have trouble completing his points with confidence (sme off as scripted. Carson seems to want to be the candidate for building the military and flexing superpower muscle. Walker does not have the chops or the smarts for this. I thought Rubio did well. But I heard vey little from any of them that I thought would move the needle for any of them very much. I bet there is a Trump bump by Monday ... He got more applause from the live audience than anyone else.

Holy crap, were we watching the same debate? Trump was the only one who obviously hurt themselves, and had the most to lose - IMO. He is the only one who I absolutely would knock off the stage if we are have a serious debate. However, I think he adds value by making everyone else look better and increasing viewers by probably 3 or 4X. Remember GI, this is a Republican debate and they are fighting over the fringe and issues that can get them a niche following, or at least pass staunch "conservative" litmus tests for pro-life and looking tough enough for Hawks.

Nobody really jumped out and pretty much everyone else looked and sounded more Presidential than Hillary (an admittedly low hurdle).

Carson does not look ready for prime time. I would like to see him and Fiorina stay on the stage for a while though. He gets a mulligan for being new to the lights and action since he had some of the wittier responses.

Paul was too petulant and catty, didn't get any positive sound bites. Picked on effectively by others, Christie's point of talking in committees versus actually doing something would have been great if addressed at Cruz but landed squarely on Paul. We will see if his base is strong enough to keep him in the top 10, my guess is yes.

I would vote Cruz off the island first but he has too firm a grasp on some fringe elements. I don't like his look. His fighter BS is lame IMO, what has he really accomplished? All I can think is the old phrase growing up "You wanna fight? - Stick your head up your ass and fight for air" Stop being a belligerent blow hard and get some actual results.

Huckabee is likeable and has proven he can put together an effective ground game - he needs to stick around to neutralize Cruz support. Maybe too old and recycled (already had your shot) but hard to see falling off the top 10. Fair tax, good luck selling that on in one minute.

Walker will eventually lose votes to Kasich in the governors race, his claims to the last Federal surplus are powerful and he is more likeable/presidential. That is said even though Walker had some excellent zingers and good command of the issues. Walker may pick up some pro-life support but I don't like that dynamic in the long run for as far right as he positioned himself on that polarizing issue.

Kasich, Walker, Bush are probably vying for a lot of the same votes. Kasich can effectively position as more experienced in DC than Walker and Ohio swing state.

Christie was very effective at passionately attacking and will pick up Hawk votes, probably biggest winner from Trump and Paul losses. Paul, Christie, Cruz and Trump are probably tops for "fight the power" gravitas so attacking Paul was a smart move on his part. If nothing else, showed he belonged in the top 10.

Rubio might be the most polished and best speaker, if Obama taught us anything - delivering a good speech can carry an empty suit. Blue collar roots are strong and he articulates American Dream in excellent fashion. I love him as a VP, low on my list of preferences for President though. Hard to see him losing any ground.

Jeb - I came away reluctantly liking him. Won me with his state work on education (vouchers) and a rational, well thought out immigration policy. Separated himself from GW with stance on feds out of education and admitting openly Iraq would not be done with what we know today. Trump complimenting him wreaked of dynastic preference for a corporate slime ball and was my biggest knock on Jeb. For the primary voters, he probably lost them on immigration since they prefer to buy the gimmigrant rhetoric.

First three in for me: Jeb, Kasich, Walker
First three out for me: Trump, Cruz, Carson (reality Carson is most at risk of losing the seat to Fiorina, I think Paul has a good enough base of support to get some more swings at the piñata).
 

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I forget the breakdown of who was actually asked the most questions, but I believe Carson was third and Christie was either last or second to last.

Thanks - that's really interesting to look at. I felt like Walker had a LOT more airtime than many of the others.

Not surprised at Rand's talk time being so small. He didn't do very well in expanding on his opinions.
 

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My wife (who leans to the right) thought he was winning the debate last night until he started talking about rape and abortions. As a person who leans to left I couldn't believe some of the questions Fox asked. They really didn't do many favors. If I were in charge of the RNC the topics of gay marriage and abortion wouldn't have came up.

They are settled issues, unless they want to be a party of sour grapes. Add in the repeal of Obamacare (which several candidates talked about last night), "they are coming for your guns", and gutting the safety net to provide tax breaks to "job creators" and we get to have the same election every four years. I am surprised that some of my conservative friends cannot seem to see what is so evident -- that this track is consistently unsuccessful. And they say that the Dems are the "divide and conquer party." These are issues meant to distract from the things that most people really care about. The Dems are, IMO, far more focused on those issues that are going to attract more voters into the fold instead of digging in on the same old things that fire up the republican base at the expense of expanding the number of people who agree with their policies. The Dems have mastered the formula for winning national elections -- appeal to a wider number of people to expand the party instead of focusing on the smoke and mirrors that have increased the perception that the GOP is a relic party that cannot attract enough voters to win the big one.
 

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They are settled issues, unless they want to be a party of sour grapes. Add in the repeal of Obamacare (which several candidates talked about last night), "they are coming for your guns", and gutting the safety net to provide tax breaks to "job creators" and we get to have the same election every four years. I am surprised that some of my conservative friends cannot seem to see what is so evident -- that this track is consistently unsuccessful. And they say that the Dems are the "divide and conquer party." These are issues meant to distract from the things that most people really care about. The Dems are, IMO, far more focused on those issues that are going to attract more voters into the fold instead of digging in on the same old things that fire up the republican base at the expense of expanding the number of people who agree with their policies. The Dems have mastered the formula for winning national elections -- appeal to a wider number of people to expand the party instead of focusing on the smoke and mirrors that have increased the perception that the GOP is a relic party that cannot attract enough voters to win the big one.

You forgot one key strategy: nominate a "cool" minority and put him on SportsCenter once a month.

Jokes aside, the issue the Republican party is facing right now is that you need to "fire up" the Republican base in order to win the nomination. Kasich is the GOP's best bet to get the moderate vote -- but I doubt he can get out of the primaries. Hope I'm wrong.
 

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You forgot one key strategy: nominate a "cool" minority and put him on SportsCenter once a month.

Jokes aside, the issue the Republican party is facing right now is that you need to "fire up" the Republican base in order to win the nomination. Kasich is the GOP's best bet to get the moderate vote -- but I doubt he can get out of the primaries. Hope I'm wrong.

Who does Kasich take votes from? The budget points were new to me and piqued some interest, but is that lost to most? I think he can take from Walker moderates (Walker probably picked up right wing votes with his extreme pro-life stance). Anyone who likes Walker is going to like Kasich. Maybe a bunch of Jeb votes are attracted to another excellent governor with DC experience and none of the Bush name baggage.

Kasich needs to build a base quick and I am not sure how he gets it.

Kasich/Rubio ticket would roll IMO (lock up Ohio and Florida). I would have no problem supporting those two.
 

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Who does Kasich take votes from? The budget points were new to me and piqued some interest, but is that lost to most? I think he can take from Walker moderates (Walker probably picked up right wing votes with his extreme pro-life stance). Anyone who likes Walker is going to like Kasich. Maybe a bunch of Jeb votes are attracted to another excellent governor with DC experience and none of the Bush name baggage.

Kasich needs to build a base quick and I am not sure how he gets it.

Kasich/Rubio ticket would roll IMO (lock up Ohio and Florida). I would have no problem supporting those two.

I think Kasich showed extremely well in yesterday's debate. IMO, he can take votes from Christie, Walker, and Trump:
1. I thought Christie showed well, but he's still in the same lane as Kasich. While his votes are technically up for grabs, he didn't do anything to give them away yesterday.
2. Walker vs. Kasich is a clear race in the Midwest IMO. I think Kasich clearly outclassed Walker yesterday.
3. A vote for Trump is essentially an "undecided" at this point. Everything there is up for grabs.

Sadly though, I'm not sure it's going to be enough. Kasich is a better candidate in the general election than the primaries. I think he needs some people to back out of the race and throw their support behind him to get some momentum going.
 

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Seriously though, why does it matter if he believes in evolution or not? It is not like he is a scientist. He is a doctor trying to become a politician. Evolution should have absolutely no semblance as an issue in 2015. His beliefs are not uncommon in the medical field either.

Of all the topics we should be concerned about, this is extremely far down the list.

I can't take a candidate seriously if they cannot grasp a concept we are teaching to middle schoolers. His position isn't some scientifically based stance. He's a bible thumper.

If he is selected as the Republican nominee he will be torn to shreds by the majority of the media for not believing in evolution, and honestly I couldn't blame them.
 

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If I had to bet now, it's a Bush/? (I'd say Rubio but with both coming from Florida...) ticket... I think a Kasich/Rubio ticket would have a much better chance of actually winning but yeah...

honestly, I'm still pretty 'eh' on every candidate right now. I haven't had a candidate that has moved me much aside from a couple of primary peps over the years... it's really just who will do the least to ruin the country further...
 

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I didn't even realize Santorum was in it again until I pulled up the polls to see how this stuff shakes out.

Trump 24.3%
Bush 12.5%
Walker 9.5%
Huckabee 6.8%
Carson 5.8%
Cruz 5.5%
Rubio 5.3%
Paul 4.5%
Christie 3.5%
Kasich 2.8%
Perry 1.8%
Santorum 1.5%
Fiorina 1.3%
Jindal 1.3%
Graham 0.5%
Jim Gilmore and George Pataki = GTFO

Undercard total about 7% - How long does it take for some of these folks to fold up their tent and get behind someone else?
 
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