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Disney made a statment, saying that the trademark is only limited to T-Shirts and it was filed in 1994. To go one step further, it only applies to T-Shirts that have Lion King references on it. They said it's perfectly fine to print shirts that have "Hakuna Matata" on them, as long as it's not accompanied with anything Lion King related...but yes, outrage! Cultural appropriation! Every day it's a new, ridiculous reason to be offended.
 

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I'm in Alabama for a few days with my 7-year-old daughter visiting my family and I drove her around town to show her my old schools, hangouts, etc. It reminded me of something that happened in high school that was funny, but would get a teacher fired and probably arrested today.

My senior year I had a first period government & civics class taught by an old-school WWII veteran who was tough & gruff and one of the best teachers I ever had. One morning one of my friends fell asleep in class and the teacher walked over to him and kicked the hell out his desk, kicking it completely out from under him and sending my friend tumbling into the floor. Geez you'd get in serious trouble for that now, but it was effective. Nobody slept in his class ever again after that.
 

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My senior year I had English Lit. Mr. Ward was the teacher and a bad one. He would go to his little podium, open the text book and just read from it. He never stopped and asked for questions, didn't try to expound on the material, etc.

True story........ Class starts one day and Mr. Ward does his usual thing. I fell asleep with my arms on the desk and my head resting on my arms. I wake up, look around and every single kid in class was asleep (no exaggeration), yet Mr. Ward was still at the podium reading from his text book. After looking around I went back to sleep until the bell sounded.
 

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and...

Ocasio-Cortez vows to 'run train' on progressive agenda in bizarre turn of phrase
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oc...-progressive-agenda-in-bizarre-turn-of-phrase

where's the #metoo condemnation of such an insensitive phrase...

She's also come out and said she is going to hold classes teaching fellow Dem Reps how to use Twitter. If they are too dumb to do this on their own, they probably shouldn't be in an elected position. Besides, she could spend that money feeding the needy.
 

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just waiting on them to cover/remove any pics of founding fathers like Washington....
SMH

Blow up Rushmore, they're all heathens! Lincoln never really wanted to free the slaves anyway, it was just a political move to cause an uprising in the South.

I feel like once we've destroyed every monument and statue from our past we're going to begin to crumble. As they say, those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
 

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Blow up Rushmore, they're all heathens! Lincoln never really wanted to free the slaves anyway, it was just a political move to cause an uprising in the South.

I feel like once we've destroyed every monument and statue from our past we're going to begin to crumble. As they say, those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

America's been on this warpath for awhile. I tell my parents all the time, they will die in the United States, I don't expect to do so.
 

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No. If however, you decide to dress up as a caricature of a “Mexican” you might want to reconsider going out in public.

Is that why they sold sombreros & serapes at every Mexican port we stopped at on my cruise? Certainly, they wouldn't sell something they would find offensive for me to wear? Hmmmm.

This now has me curious of what a caricature of a Caucasian American looks like? I would love to see people of all background do their best impression. LOVE IT!
 

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Is that why they sold sombreros & serapes at every Mexican port we stopped at on my cruise? Certainly, they wouldn't sell something they would find offensive for me to wear? Hmmmm.

This now has me curious of what a caricature of a Caucasian American looks like? I would love to see people of all background do their best impression. LOVE IT!

Making a buck off of suckers would be my guess as to the why in your question. I know a number of Caucasian Americans who play mariachi and dress in traditional mariachi garb when they do so. That comes across as respecting the craft. Now, guess how many Mexicans I know that walk around wearing big ass sombreros and serapes? Zero. Now imagine a matzah ball Monday where people dressed up like Hassid and Ann Frank to advertise it. The point being that like all things context is really important.
 

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Making a buck off of suckers would be my guess as to the why in your question. I know a number of Caucasian Americans who play mariachi and dress in traditional mariachi garb when they do so. That comes across as respecting the craft. Now, guess how many Mexicans I know that walk around wearing big ass sombreros and serapes? Zero. Now imagine a matzah ball Monday where people dressed up like Hassid and Ann Frank to advertise it. The point being that like all things context is really important.

In the late 90s when I worked at a fortune 20 company (i worked there for 15+ years), the Latino club (one of many minority groups/clubs) would sell sombreros and Serape leading up to Cinco de Mayo, and half the building was wearing them. The club was fund raising, but was trying share culture, and was very happy to see whites and blacks wearing the stuff and acting silly. It was "harmless and fun" then, now it's "reckless and racist".

The clubs back then were awesome. They were fun, friendly, and did so much to help inclusion and learning. I would attend and volunteer at many of the meetings and events. The company still has all these clubs. But now it's primarily political, adversarial, and more divisive than inclusive. And it was that way long before 2016.
 

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In the late 90s when I worked at a fortune 20 company (i worked there for 15+ years), the Latino club (one of many minority groups/clubs) would sell sombreros and Serape leading up to Cinco de Mayo, and half the building was wearing them. The club was fund raising, but was trying share culture, and was very happy to see whites and blacks wearing the stuff and acting silly. It was "harmless and fun" then, now it's "reckless and racist".

The clubs back then were awesome. They were fun, friendly, and did so much to help inclusion and learning. I would attend and volunteer at many of the meetings and events. The company still has all these clubs. But now it's primarily political, adversarial, and more divisive than inclusive. And it was that way long before 2016.

Things change and opinions evolve and to your example context is very important. Now, I would venture to guess that every poster on this board (my self included) would agree that the Stanford band incident at ND stadium was offensive based on the outfit and props the drum major decided to use. In my opinion that would be a good analogy in terms of the dressing like a “Mexican” nonsense.
 
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America's been on this warpath for awhile. I tell my parents all the time, they will die in the United States, I don't expect to do so.

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I'll just pop in for my quarterly message:

If you read stories like the type that populate this thread or listen to political pundits on Twitter or YouTube on a daily basis it is extremely likely that you are being manipulated against your fellow countrymen. Those with the means and the motivation to make you think that half of your fellow citizens are delusional and dangerous are doing so, sometimes to sow political discord and other times to line their own pockets through fear and confirmation bias. Please stay away from these horrible threads that are full of clickbait propaganda. Try to think critically about what policies actually effect you, and what are solely identity politics that are meant to divide by pointing to extreme examples and "reactions from twitter." If you are unhappy, attempt to enact change through your local government if possible and otherwise vote your conscience on election day, particularly your local elections.
 
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Things change and opinions evolve and to your example context is very important. Now, I would venture to guess that every poster on this board (my self included) would agree that the Stanford band incident at ND stadium was offensive based on the outfit and props the drum major decided to use.

If you're talking about someone dressed as a Nun banging a drum with a cross, I'd say that's very different, and next level. The Stanford band is known for being idiots, and not just for the ND thing.

Back to topic. "Things change" is right. And they have changed for the worst. I still have a lot of friends at the company. And it's a sad state these days. When I was there, it was still a typical corp, but the minority clubs were very different. My wife was a minority and belonged to one of the clubs. My 3 favorite bosses (one women, one AA man, one gay man) who were all top performers and helped my career progression, all belonged to minority clubs.

Back then, people in the clubs were fun and inclusive. White folks would attend the AA sponsored outings to the AA comedy clubs all the time. Straight people outnumbered the gay people at the AIDs fund raising marches. There was no militant behavior and it was about folks coming together.

The AA clubs were the first to change, and much of it started when Obama was running. Things changed quickly and for the worst. The other clubs followed shortly thereafter. Now, the clubs are militant, political, and very cliquish. Now the clubs are about pushing agenda and are as bad as the unions when it comes to protecting poor performers and bad behavior.

You can say things change, or evolve, but no one who has been there through it all thinks things are better. I still go to "reunions" with different orgs I belonged to over the years. Most of the minorities that are still at the company (from back then) think the clubs are straight up crazy an union-ish now. It's no longer "us". It's "us" and "them". But hey, that's progress right....
 

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I'll just pop in for my quarterly message:

If you read stories like the type that populate this thread or listen to political pundits on Twitter or YouTube on a daily basis it is extremely likely that you are being manipulated against your fellow countrymen. Those with the means and the motivation to make you think that half of your fellow citizens are delusional and dangerous are doing so, sometimes to sow political discord and other times to line their own pockets through fear and confirmation bias. Please stay away from these horrible threads that are full of clickbait propaganda. Try to think critically about what policies actually effect you, and what are solely identity politics that are meant to divide by pointing to extreme examples and "reactions from twitter." If you are unhappy, attempt to enact change through your local government if possible and otherwise vote your conscience on election day, particularly your local elections.

Probably should stay away from CNN, MSNBC, and FOX too.
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Probably should stay away from CNN, MSNBC, and FOX too.
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Very true. Read the news. Don't watch it. Be hyper vigilant about reading only factual stories. Stay away from opinion pieces and "my take" columns. Their potential value is heavily outweighed by their potential damage. Stay away from stories that have no effect on policy and are merely outrage pieces. The MAGA kids versus native american protestors is a great example of exactly the sort of thing that manipulative media and big-brother political movers thrive on. It does nothing but herd the livestock into their respective pens to be more easily controlled. If you can't help yourself and want to debate social politics, do so in person with people you actually know and respect.


You will be better informed. You will be less disillusioned with your fellow citizens. You will wonder what other people are so upset about. You will realize that 99% of this is theatre.
 

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Very true. Read the news. Don't watch it. Be hyper vigilant about reading only factual stories. Stay away from opinion pieces and "my take" columns. Their potential value is heavily outweighed by their potential damage. Stay away from stories that have no effect on policy and are merely outrage pieces. The MAGA kids versus native american protestors is a great example of exactly the sort of thing that manipulative media and big-brother political movers thrive on. It does nothing but herd the livestock into their respective pens to be more easily controlled. If you can't help yourself and want to debate social politics, do so in person with people you actually know and respect.


You will be better informed. You will be less disillusioned with your fellow citizens. You will wonder what other people are so upset about. You will realize that 99% of this is theatre.

While I agree the media, social media, and politicians are creating more disillusioned people, ignoring it isn't going to make it any better either. If everyone took the advice you're recommending, sure it would be great and wonderful. That is not going to happen though. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. That's being a realist, not being disillusioned or a pessimist.
 

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While I agree the media, social media, and politicians are creating more disillusioned people, ignoring it isn't going to make it any better either. If everyone took the advice you're recommending, sure it would be great and wonderful. That is not going to happen though. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. That's being a realist, not being disillusioned or a pessimist.

I agree. Sure, you can create change by voting in elections, but social policy is being dictated by both social media and mass media. You can see it in the strong overreactions with political correctness today, and you don't even have to be guilty to get attacked and have your name drug through the mug (As we've seen recently with the Covington Catholic story). That was a normal high school field trip that ended in disaster, it could have been any of our own kids in the same position. The whole thing is scary. No longer are people innocent until proven guilty, you are guilty and you will be doxed or have your personal and professional life ruined. You can stay away from the media as much as you like, but you can't stop everyone else from gobbling it up as the truth.
 

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just waiting on them to cover/remove any pics of founding fathers like Washington....
SMH

Are you serious? When was the last time you saw the murals? Because they aren't just painting of Columbus. They are paintings of him as a sort of messianic figure with Native Americans bowing down to him. Besides being inaccurate, they are just odd. The last time I was there I remember they just struck me and my friends as being out of place. There was no obvious connection or context on how they fit with the school. An italian explorer being praised by native americans is somehow a central part of a french founded school called the fighting irish. It was confusing, odd, and really stuck with me which probably isn't the impression the school wants when people first walk in.

I really don't get the anger at removing them. They are not planning on destroying them or using them as a propaganda piece or disrespect them. The plan is literally to put them in an art museum so people can appreciate them for their artistic value as well as have a better understanding of the context around the pieces. If anything, in an era where we now understand that Columbus was not actually the first to discover america and his importance is fading to the background, putting these pieces in a museum will likely help to retain an understanding of what people once thought of Columbus whereas leaving them in place without context could further dilute the understanding of the paintings.

As for the general argument that we are just going to destroy everything in our history, I think that is a bit of slippery slope fallacy. I think now we are weighing the good that people have done against the historical context of the bad they have done or allowed to be done. For the vast majority of our founders the good they have done vastly outweighs the things we now think are bad. I recently listened to a debate about this very thing concerning Thomas Jefferson. There is no doubt he did a great many good things, but he was also a slave owner, so how do we justify still holding him up. And the answer is pretty simple: he knew slavery was wrong, but he did not think he could change it and instead of using his talents and abilities to fruitlessly attempt that he used them to do a great many other things. Had he attempted to end slavery he may (likely) have not been able to do all the other great things he did, so should we hold that against him? It's pretty obvious that the answer to that is no. Nobody is perfect and nobody can correct all the ills in the world. We are all prisoners of our present context, so holding that against someone when their achievements and accomplishments help move us to the future is asinine and counterproductive.
 

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I really don't get the anger at removing them. They are not planning on destroying them or using them as a propaganda piece or disrespect them. The plan is literally to put them in an art museum so people can appreciate them for their artistic value as well as have a better understanding of the context around the pieces.
Not true. They're painted on the physical walls of the building. They can't be moved. They're going to be covered with a damn curtain.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/columbus-the-real-story
 

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Very true. Read the news. Don't watch it.

What exactly should we read? The implication here is that our printed media is different than television. It's all filth.

Be hyper vigilant about reading only factual stories. Stay away from opinion pieces and "my take" columns. Their potential value is heavily outweighed by their potential damage. Stay away from stories that have no effect on policy and are merely outrage pieces. The MAGA kids versus native american protestors is a great example of exactly the sort of thing that manipulative media and big-brother political movers thrive on. It does nothing but herd the livestock into their respective pens to be more easily controlled. If you can't help yourself and want to debate social politics, do so in person with people you actually know and respect.


You will be better informed. You will be less disillusioned with your fellow citizens. You will wonder what other people are so upset about. You will realize that 99% of this is theatre.

The entire purpose of these stories or narratives concocted by our media is to prepare our minds for policies they want to implement or reinforce the need for current policies they prefer. Simply disregarding them as irrelevant theater and believing that somehow the world around us will be fine is foolish. Like it or not, politics and policy flows downstream from culture.
 
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