Political Correctness thread

[connor_in]

Candace Owens mimics N.Y. Times' Sarah Jeong, gets suspended by Twitter

Saying “white people are bull—t” won’t get you banned from Twitter but saying Jewish people are will.

That’s what happened to conservative activist Candace Owens, who was suspended from Twitter for mimicking the racist tweets of new New York Times editorial-board member Sarah Jeong.

Ms. Owens, the communications director for Turning Point USA, tweeted Saturday that “Jewish people are bull—t … like dogs pissing on fire hydrants #cancelJewishpeople Are Jewish people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun? The above statements are from @nytimes editor @SarahJeong. I simply swapped out the word ‘white’ for ‘Jewish.’”

Despite her tweet explicitly saying it was a parody of someone else’s tweets, that got her a note from Twitter saying “Your account has been locked … for violating the Twitter Rules. Specifically for violating our rules against hateful conduct.”

Ms. Jeong did not mention in her scores of tweets about white people that they were parodies. But not only are the tweets still up, her account was not suspended over them.

After an outcry among conservatives for the obvious double standard, Twitter restored Ms. Owens account, saying it was an error, but not until after she’d deleted the tweets.

 

[IrishLion]

Accurately describes me. My mom's side is German and Irish and my dad's side are from a few different areas...but all ethnic German. My boss at work used the term Kraut at work the other day, that's certainly no less offensive than the term Jap, right? AKA not offensive at all.

Not offensive, but I always thought people trying to casually use terms like those above, whether out of "convenience" or "familiarity," just makes them sound unintelligent and needlessly abrasive.

What is the point in calling someone a Kraut? Why not just say "the German guy" or "that guy from Germany"?

Any why call someone a Jap? Can't you say "the Japanese person"?

If the term could be considered even mildly offensive, why not just avoid it out of deference to whomever it's aimed at?

"I don't find it racist or offensive, so neither should anyone else" is kind of a selfish way of thinking about things, IMO.

 

[Irish YJ]

Candace Owens mimics N.Y. Times' Sarah Jeong, gets suspended by Twitter

LOL.. one rule for the right, one for the left...

Not offensive, but I always thought people trying to casually use terms like those above, whether out of "convenience" or "familiarity," just makes them sound unintelligent and needlessly abrasive.

What is the point in calling someone a Kraut? Why not just say "the German guy" or "that guy from Germany"?

Any why call someone a Jap? Can't you say "the Japanese person"?

If the term could be considered even mildly offensive, why not just avoid it out of deference to whomever it's aimed at?

"I don't find it racist or offensive, so neither should anyone else" is kind of a selfish way of thinking about things, IMO.

I'm a Wop/Kraut/Mick/Taff/Injun. I don't call anyone anything, with the exception of my friends that I grew up with. Ever see Gran Torino? The barbershop and job site scenes were pretty accurate to describe how I grew up. There were Italian, Irish, and German parishes within a few miles of each other.

 

[SonofOahu]

Slept? Is this supposed to mean knocked out or what exactly?

Yes

 

[SonofOahu]

I'm a Wop/Kraut/Mick/Taff/Injun. I don't call anyone anything, with the exception of my friends that I grew up with. Ever see Gran Torino? The barbershop and job site scenes were pretty accurate to describe how I grew up. There were Italian, Irish, and German parishes within a few miles of each other.

This. Although, I've never called my black friends by the n-word, hard-r or not. Just not right.

Here's my PSA for any of you chaps wanting to come visit Hawaii (I think Bluto can attest to this.) If you hear "haole" in a sentence like "that haole guy over there," you're fine. If you get an adjective in front of the "haole" such as "fucking" or "stupid," you should probably look for the nearest exit. If you hear a sentence like "brah, we go lick that haole," run.

 

[Irish YJ]

This. Although, I've never called my black friends by the n-word, hard-r or not. Just not right.

Here's my PSA for any of you chaps wanting to come visit Hawaii (I think Bluto can attest to this.) If you hear "haole" in a sentence like "that haole guy over there," you're fine. If you get an adjective in front of the "haole" such as "fucking" or "stupid," you should probably look for the nearest exit. If you hear a sentence like "brah, we go lick that haole," run.

I wouldn't care if anyone called me those names, but everyone has different levels of sensitivity. Hell, I have a couple AA friends that greet me "my N" on occasion. We're close enough that color has never been an issue. I jokingly snap back "my cracker". It's really just about the individuals and personal relationships. There's a lot of hypocrisy rolled up in the issue, but that's par for the course in all things these days.

 

[ACamp1900]

My college buddies and I are still very close and as a group we are extremely mixed... roughly ten guys or so, half of us black, few white guys, couple Hispanics and a couple Koreans. In college especially the n word and other racial terms were used everywhere... by just about everyone, not just us. Once our core left the dorms and set up our lives and it was just 'us' a few of my black buddies replaced that with "ninja" (Like 'what's us my Ninja") and we all pretty much dropped all the other racial terms, even to this day (we are celebrating our 20 year of meeting each other freshman year in a month) a couple of my buddies continue on with the "ninja' thing. It's been that way now for over a decade but there have been a few times where some outsider at a BBQ or other gathering uses the N word in the typical 'bro' type fashion, we all just kind of look at each other and shrug and move on. If you don't give a word power then it doesn't have power... it really is pretty simple, regardless of history and such.

 

[wizards8507]

...there have been a few times where some outsider at a BBQ or other gathering uses the N word in the typical 'bro' type fashion, we all just kind of look at each other and shrug and move on.

It's always fascinating to me how little snapshots of different parts of the country make their way into conversations on this board. I haven't heard anyone use the N word in casual conversation, either as a slur or a term of affection, since high school. More than ten years. Song lyrics, movies, and academic contexts, but that's about it.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's always fascinating to me how little snapshots of different parts of the country make their way into conversations on this board. I haven't heard anyone use the N word in casual conversation, either as a slur or a term of affection, since high school. More than ten years. Song lyrics, movies, and academic contexts, but that's about it.

It definitely happens... I've heard it while around my college buddies from a friend of a friend or a family member of one of the gang maybe four or five different times (hell maybe more) in the last few years. We are at the age where we all know each other's family now. I've hung out many times with my really close buddy's parents and such (I guess that's when you know you are really close and matured, your group get together's often have some of the parents around and no one really cares). One of my buddies grew up in Gardena in the neighborhood where Friday was shot and it's the neighborhood from Friday in every real world sense you can imagine and his uncles drop it like it's nothing towards everything, it's very much their 'bro'... it hasn't been limited to them though. I've heard it from non blacks too ranging from super upper class trust fund white guy who was invited to a BBQ though a friend of a friend kind of thing, to middle aged Latino uncle at one my friend's children's B Day parties of all things. My sister even dropped it while drunk a couple years back at one of my BBQs like a damned fool... lol

 

[Irish YJ]

Speaking of PC, why isn't anyone going after the Browns to change their name???

i kid...

Acamp are you hyped for the first episode of Hard Knocks with your boys tonight?

 

[ACamp1900]

Speaking of PC, why isn't anyone going after the Browns to change their name???

i kid...

Acamp are you hyped for the first episode of Hard Knocks with your boys tonight?

Don't have HBO and never watched a single hard knocks episode... I am pumped for the season though, much more than Notre Dame's if I'm being totally honest.

 

[Irish YJ]

Don't have HBO and never watched a single hard knocks episode... I am pumped for the season though, much more than Notre Dame's if I'm being totally honest.

Whaattttt? Thought you were a GoT fan?
HBO is probably the one channel I can't do without.

 

[ACamp1900]

Whaattttt? Thought you were a GoT fan?.

LOL... wat??

 

[connor_in]

WHAT THE-EFFING-EFF?! YouTube censors video criticizing censorship and all is STUPID with the world

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">YouTube Just Censored A Video Criticizing Censorship <a href="https://t.co/EVSWuMO0Qp">https://t.co/EVSWuMO0Qp</a></p>— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) <a href="https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1026907352094711811?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Get this: I do a Prager U video on the left shutting down the right, and Youtube censors it. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CENSORED?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CENSORED</a>. <a href="https://t.co/1fXrZqaRuZ">https://t.co/1fXrZqaRuZ</a></p>— Kimberley Strassel (@KimStrassel) <a href="https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/791741431786463233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

LOL... wat??

For some reason, i thought you were a frequent poster in the Game of Thrones thread.

 

[ACamp1900]

For some reason, i thought you were a frequent poster in the Game of Thrones thread.

I've posted in there but only to discuss the books, which I gave up on after Dance with Dragons... life can be depressing enough without GRRM shitting depression all over your leisure reading. The show is very well made and such, but I also gave up after about season two as I just couldn't... the story is like a methhead's nightmare put in action, everyone with any good in them ends up rotting.

 

[Irish YJ]

I've posted in there but only to discuss the books, which I gave up on after Dance with Dragons... life can be depressing enough without GRRM shitting depression all over your leisure reading. The show is very well made and such, but I also gave up after about season two as I just couldn't... the story is like a methhead's nightmare put in action, everyone with any good in them ends up rotting.

But but but... John Snow and his two sisters are still alive lol...
Come on man, there are several good guys still hanging around.


If you fell like you want to watch Hard Knocks, PM me and I'll hook you up.

 

[SonofOahu]

One of my buddies grew up in Gardena in the neighborhood where Friday was shot and it's the neighborhood from Friday in every real world sense...

My grandparents lived in Gardena, many, many years ago. They were working at the Honda plant. I don't remember much about that place; has it always been that way? If so, that's hilarious. I can't imagine my grandma and grandpa hangin' with the homeys.

 

[GowerND11]

It's always fascinating to me how little snapshots of different parts of the country make their way into conversations on this board. I haven't heard anyone use the N word in casual conversation, either as a slur or a term of affection, since high school. More than ten years. Song lyrics, movies, and academic contexts, but that's about it.

Come to rural PA sometime... You'll hear some people use the N word at times. They'll justify it by the age old, "There's a difference. There's black people, and then there's N words. I like black people, I can't stand N words."

I've also found that many in rural areas are not racist, but ignorant. I've had older family members say "Oriental" and "Colored." By all accounts they are not being racist, rather just using antiquated terms because that's all they've known.

Finally, come to work with me haha. N word flies around as much as any word. Granted, it's adjudicated youth from Philly, Pittsburgh, Allentown, etc. But oh yeah, they let it out constantly.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I've had older family members say "Oriental" and "Colored." By all accounts they are not being racist, rather just using antiquated terms because that's all they've known.

I think there's a LOT of truth to this. It helps to take into account where someone's from and their generation when determining if they're being racist or intentionally insulting, or if they're just using terminology from their area or generation.

With that being said, I've always been baffled as to why Oriental is so offensive to some. It has no negative connotation. Orient just means east and Oriental means someone from the east. The current term Asian seems rather inaccurate, as it essentially leaves out those from other parts of Asia, such as Indians, Iranians, many Russians, etc.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm not sure how "colored" can be antiquated anymore. I hear the term Person of Color used fairly often on TV nowadays. Got resurrected! Growing up though i only ever heard my grandparents say it.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm not sure how "colored" can be antiquated anymore. I hear the term Person of Color used fairly often on TV nowadays. Got resurrected! Growing up though i only ever heard my grandparents say it.

One points to AAs, and one points to all non-white.
One has historical baggage and probably coined by a white person, the other more inclusive and I'd guess was coined by a non-white.

 

[wizards8507]

This is real.

 

[greyhammer90]

This is real.

I'm glad they admit that straight men are the voice of reason. We all got what we wanted out of this fellas.

 

[Irish YJ]

So a trans/nb can play a straight person, but a straight person can not play a trans/nb. What about equal opportunity? lol

 

[IrishLax]

I think there's a LOT of truth to this. It helps to take into account where someone's from and their generation when determining if they're being racist or intentionally insulting, or if they're just using terminology from their area or generation.

With that being said, I've always been baffled as to why Oriental is so offensive to some. It has no negative connotation. Orient just means east and Oriental means someone from the east. The current term Asian seems rather inaccurate, as it essentially leaves out those from other parts of Asia, such as Indians, Iranians, many Russians, etc.

I'm not sure how "colored" can be antiquated anymore. I hear the term Person of Color used fairly often on TV nowadays. Got resurrected! Growing up though i only ever heard my grandparents say it.

It's all just a moving target... words that aren't offensive at one point may get labeled offensive at another point. The reason "colored" was deemed offensive was that it was a way to separate white from non-white. At one point, it was the commonly accepted vernacular... hence organizations like the NAACP.

The reason "colored" has come back in vogue with things like "people of color" is that the people who coined the term want to be able to use it to divide all white from non-white... they want to label all white oppressors/bad and all non-white oppressed/good. Using the term "color" accomplishes that well.

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Esquire: James Bond Producers Are Leaning Toward Idris Elba As the Next 007 <a href="https://t.co/x8oCDT4ynL">https://t.co/x8oCDT4ynL</a></p>— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1027717708962582529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The same people that support this... changing an ethnically Scottish white character to a black guy... are the same ones who freak out about Tilda Swinton being cast in Dr. Strange and Scarlett Johansson being cast as a trans person. Te cognitive dissonance is amazing.

 

[ACamp1900]

Have him play Felix Lieter or just create a new 00 character or some such... don’t change Bond, I’d be super pissed.

 

[greyhammer90]

The same people that support this... changing an ethnically Scottish white character to a black guy... are the same ones who freak out about Tilda Swinton being cast in Dr. Strange and Scarlett Johansson being cast as a trans person. Te cognitive dissonance is amazing.

That article reeked of virtue signaling, but I'd be super on board with Idris being Bond. He's a great actor, plays a badass extremely well, and is British AF.

Besides the 007 continuity has always worked best if you act like "007/James Bond" is a title instead of a real name. (I know Skyfall fucked that up, but let's be honest, if it's true that this is all supposed to be one man, the whole timeline is already so far up its own ass that continuity doesn't matter anyway.)

EDIT: I'd certainly prefer Elba to Henry Cavill. Saw him in MI:6 last weekend and decided I'd give him one more chance. He looks the part but is as emotive as a block of wood.

 

[Irish YJ]

The same people that support this... changing an ethnically Scottish white character to a black guy... are the same ones who freak out about Tilda Swinton being cast in Dr. Strange and Scarlett Johansson being cast as a trans person. Te cognitive dissonance is amazing.

Not sure any of today's population under 30 understand the history of 007. Not really sure it matters at this point. I loved Craig, and thought he was the best since Connery, so sad to see him go. I'm a big fan of Idris, and think he might make a good one. Loved Luther, and I think he can pull off the personality.

But I agree with you about all the nonsense. Wanting XX or XX to play it just because, is crap. I'm sure we'll have a female 007 in the next 20-30 years.