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If the kids daddy would have beat his as* growing up when he misbehaved, there would probably not be a reason for the cops to beat his as* now. Just sayin.

So long as the kids gets their ass beat by someone, you are OK with it?

This was a noise complaint, not raid of a meth lab or a live shooter incident. It should not have escalated to the point where anyone needed to get their ass beat.
 

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Seriously though, police officers are in a position of authority. Whether they are right or wrong, people need to respect that. That would not have escalated the way it did had those kids just did what he said.

With that said, there are plenty of cops out there who abuse power and the cops in question in this scenario aren't without fault as well. You can't just enter someone's home w/o warning, order them outside w/o cause, or grab them only to later say "you're under arrest for grabbing my arm," and then beat the hell out of them once you have them outside. You clearly see in the video the kid had his arms up against the wall before he got tazed, sent to the ground, and beaten.

Side note: One of those dudes should have grabbed that girl, thrown her over their shoulder, and removed her from the scene. That's exactly how not to handle an altercation with Police...by screaming at them. Ugh.
 

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Guys this is America, you can tell a cop to go pound sand, his response shouldn't be to hit you with the cattle prod. The guy was dragged out of his home and beaten in front of his girl friend for a freaking noise complaint. Do you two root for the empire in Star Wars?

I think this is a perfect example of how your friends can get your ass kicked. Although, in the one view, the cop is telling the kid who got to tased to come outside, and even pulling on him to get him outside, and the kid is resisting. Even if the cop is wrong, it is against the law to resist, and it opens the floodgates pretty wide for the cops to manhandle you. (I know there are limits, but they can get pretty rough, legally, if you resist) The kid wasn't tased because of a noise complaint; he was tased because he resisted. And his friends sure as hell didn't help the situation. Trying to shut the door in a cop's face is liable to get someone tased. Too bad it wasn't the douchebag who thinks that there are only two legal ways for a cop to be allowed to enter a private residence: consent or a warrant. THAT dumbass has been watching too much youtube.
 

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Seriously though, police officers are in a position of authority. Whether they are right or wrong, people need to respect that. That would not have escalated the way it did had those kids just did what he said.

I'm here to a certain degree... obviously our police need better training or disciplinary action when they go too far but the solution is two sided here... and it sure seems that both sides of this solution seem to be deteriorating... I know it happens (I've seen a few cases) where even someone responding respectfully gets roughed up, but the when I see the vast majority of these videos/incidents I'm always thinking leading up to the physical encounter, "Just do what he says idiot!!"
 
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He most certainly was NOT dragged out of his apartment and beaten over a noise complaint. He was dragged out of his apartment and tazed & beaten for being a smart-ass punk who resisted arrest and refused to cooperate with a police officer who was responding to the noise complaint. All that stupid kid had to do was just say, "Yes sir, sorry about the noise. We'll turn it down" and that would've been the end of the entire matter.

How do you know that's not exactly what he did? It's not like they heard a knock at the door and started filming. If the twitter account is to be believed its really hard for me not to side with the kid on this. If you watch the video it is just a really bad look for the cops all the way around. The girl in the video asking why there are 10 cops in this house, a random cop runs in screaming, telling her to shut the fuck up. She then says this is all on video, and another cop said I don't give a fuck. You may think the cops were justified in their actions, but even if you do, you have to acknowledge that they handled it the wrong way.
 

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So long as the kids gets their ass beat by someone, you are OK with it?

This was a noise complaint, not raid of a meth lab or a live shooter incident. It should not have escalated to the point where anyone needed to get their ass beat.

Not ok with anyone getting beat. But I am also not ok with a kid thinking it is ok to not respond to the officer's request. The reason we have incidents like this is pretty simple... it's people in our country who think it is ok to not respect law enforcement and disobey simple commands. And it's people like you who empower them to think it is ok.

Now, I am not saying there aren't rogue cops. There are. But until this country gets back to the idea that it isn't ok to disobey lawful orders from a police officer, we will continue to have these sort of instances. We don't need people like you making excuses for their behavior no more than we need people that justify senseless acts by cops. It really isn't hard.
 

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Not ok with anyone getting beat. But I am also not ok with a kid thinking it is ok to not respond to the officer's request. The reason we have incidents like this is pretty simple... it's people in our country who think it is ok to not respect law enforcement and disobey simple commands. And it's people like you who empower them to think it is ok.

Now, I am not saying there aren't rogue cops. There are. But until this country gets back to the idea that it isn't ok to disobey lawful orders from a police officer, we will continue to have these sort of instances. We don't need people like you making excuses for their behavior no more than we need people that justify senseless acts by cops. It really isn't hard.

Its not OK for a cop to walk into someone's house at 3 a.m. without knocking either. (If indeed the account on Facebook was accurate). I wouldn't be apt to just follow directions of someone who just stormed into my house in the middle of the night. I suspect you wouldn't either. Also, if police want to be treated respectfully, they need to treat people with respect. That is not what I saw happening on that video.
 

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How do you know that's not exactly what he did? It's not like they heard a knock at the door and started filming. If the twitter account is to be believed its really hard for me not to side with the kid on this. If you watch the video it is just a really bad look for the cops all the way around. The girl in the video asking why there are 10 cops in this house, a random cop runs in screaming, telling her to shut the fuck up. She then says this is all on video, and another cop said I don't give a fuck. You may think the cops were justified in their actions, but even if you do, you have to acknowledge that they handled it the wrong way.

Do you really think 10 cops showed up for a simple noise complaint? Do you think what you see on the video is the beginning of the encounter? I'd give you 20:1 odds and feel guilty for taking your money that the first 10-15 minutes of this were recorded and edited out because the people in that apartment don't want you to see their buddy acting like a jackass and bringing this on himself.

The cop showed up, asked them to turn down the noise, the kid smarts off and is disrespectful and uncooperative, and the cop calls for backup... and that's why there are 10 cops there. NONE of this happens if the kid just cooperates with a valid and lawful request to lower the noise and stop bothering his neighbors. He refused to comply with a lawful and reasonable request from an officer doing his job, acted like a spoiled brat who thinks rules don't apply to him, and then resisted arrest. He was an idiot whose friends were throwing fuel on the fire, and it didn't end well. Actions have consequences and he didn't get any worse than he asked for or deserved.
 

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Responding to a domestic incident is one of the most dangerous situations a cop can face especially when the cop is already outnumbered with people who are not listening.

Nerves are already sky high when responding. Mix that in with the fact that other officers on shift know where you are going and what you are responding to; then couple that with how they know your voice sounds over the radio. So if they detect a hint of deviance from normalcy, their nerves will be sky high and respond with utmost urgency.

The objective is to get home safely. Some of you will not agree but then some of you have also never had to respond to incidents like this or have dealt with the public as LE. Walk in their shoes first before you completely disregard.
 

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Its not OK for a cop to walk into someone's house at 3 a.m. without knocking either. (If indeed the account on Facebook was accurate). I wouldn't be apt to just follow directions of someone who just stormed into my house in the middle of the night. I suspect you wouldn't either. Also, if police want to be treated respectfully, they need to treat people with respect. That is not what I saw happening on that video.

There are apparently three different videos capturing the incident so I am sure all that transpired will come out. Much like every other incident where there may be a rush to judgement, let it all come out before forming opinions.
 

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There are apparently three different videos capturing the incident so I am sure all that transpired will come out. Much like every other incident where there may be a rush to judgement, let it all come out before forming opinions.

Good advice all around!
 

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Not ok with anyone getting beat. But I am also not ok with a kid thinking it is ok to not respond to the officer's request. The reason we have incidents like this is pretty simple... it's people in our country who think it is ok to not respect law enforcement and disobey simple commands. And it's people like you who empower them to think it is ok.

Now, I am not saying there aren't rogue cops. There are. But until this country gets back to the idea that it isn't ok to disobey lawful orders from a police officer, we will continue to have these sort of instances. We don't need people like you making excuses for their behavior no more than we need people that justify senseless acts by cops. It really isn't hard.

C'mon T, this country was founded on people telling authority to go fvck themselves. You probably would have defended the British soldiers after the Boston massacre.

"The reason we have incidents like this is pretty simple...it's people in our Colony who think it is ok to not respect the King's men and disobey simple commands..."

T Town Tommy - March 6, 1770

*Now we know the first T stands for Tory
 

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Its not OK for a cop to walk into someone's house at 3 a.m. without knocking either. (If indeed the account on Facebook was accurate). I wouldn't be apt to just follow directions of someone who just stormed into my house in the middle of the night. I suspect you wouldn't either. Also, if police want to be treated respectfully, they need to treat people with respect. That is not what I saw happening on that video.

Haven't seen anyone question this and you are not the only one to make this statement so I am not singling your quote out, just using it to pose my question. If this is a response to a "noise complaint"...how do we know they did knock and try to identify themselves but could not be heard over the noise?
 

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C'mon T, this country was founded on people telling authority to go fvck themselves. You probably would have defended the British soldiers after the Boston massacre.

"The reason we have incidents like this is pretty simple...it's people in our Colony who think it is ok to not respect the King's men and disobey simple commands..."

T Town Tommy - March 6, 1770

*Now we know the first T stands for Tory

Then you don't know me very well. I would hope I identify with the Sons of Liberty more than any others during that time in history.

But from what I have read on the incident thus far, the cop apparently knocked on the door, kid opened the door, the cop started inside, and the kid started mouthing the cop. It went south from there.
 

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Haven't seen anyone question this and you are not the only one to make this statement so I am not singling your quote out, just using it to pose my question. If this is a response to a "noise complaint"...how do we know they did knock and try to identify themselves but could not be heard over the noise?

This info came from the Facebook post of one of the people who was in the apartment. Might it be fabricated? Sure. But might it also be true? I suspect that an escalation like was on those videos did not begin with a friendly request to turn down the music. I could be wrong, but have seen nothing to dispute the Facebook account of events and they seem to line up logically to what the video showed.
 

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Haven't seen anyone question this and you are not the only one to make this statement so I am not singling your quote out, just using it to pose my question. If this is a response to a "noise complaint"...how do we know they did knock and try to identify themselves but could not be heard over the noise?

I don't think it is accurate to state that the cop just went in the door. Apparently when the kid answered the door, the cop told him of the noise complaint, started in the door, and the kid started getting mouthy with the cop.
 

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I would like to see the whole police interview and their call log. A lot of times the college kids we deal with in my area a true party the cops end up their more then once.
 

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You haven't heard much about it because the officers were black and the victims were white. Only black lives matter.

And/or because they're being charged with murder. The incidents that create the most heat are the ones where the officers walk after shooting an unarmed person.

e. I also got a phone update about this one from the NYtimes, which is a pretty reliable way to tell when they consider a story to be major.
 

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Huh? I have seen it all over CNN and USA Today. They keep putting out stories everytime new info comes out. Color me confused.

What is confusing? Zero protests. Minimal social media interaction. Very few hits on the stories, and relatively few "commentary" articles of any kind.

Of course it is in the news, or there wouldn't even be an article to link. The reason the poster hadn't seen it for days (instead of being plastered all TVs during the 24/7 news cycle) is because of what I said.

Are you arguing that if white cops cops had shot a black dad with his hands up and murdered his 6 year old autistic child there wouldn't be more coverage?

And/or because they're being charged with murder. The incidents that create the most heat are the ones where the officers walk after shooting an unarmed person.

e. I also got a phone update about this one from the NYtimes, which is a pretty reliable way to tell when they consider a story to be major.

Are you kidding? Freddie Gray's killers were all prosecuted in the swiftest possible fashion... did you see the coverage+interaction+protests? The guy in Cinci who got shot by the cop when trying to flee the traffic stop got more coverage+interaction+protests as well.
 

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What is confusing? Zero protests. Minimal social media interaction. Very few hits on the stories, and relatively few "commentary" articles of any kind.

Of course it is in the news, or there wouldn't even be an article to link. The reason the poster hadn't seen it for days (instead of being plastered all TVs during the 24/7 news cycle) is because of what I said.

Are you arguing that if white cops cops had shot a black dad with his hands up and murdered his 6 year old autistic child there wouldn't be more coverage?



Are you kidding? Freddie Gray's killers were all prosecuted in the swiftest possible fashion... did you see the coverage+interaction+protests? The guy in Cinci who got shot by the cop when trying to flee the traffic stop got more coverage+interaction+protests as well.

CNN has just about lost all credibility as a news organization. With that said, you are correct in the fact that if the races were reversed, the story would be on a 24 hour loop nonstop on CNN. And everyone knows it.

On the incident in T Town, I think there could be an argument for excessive force used by the officers involved. But there are issues as well with how the individuals acted when approached by the officers. A pretty simple call, made countless times around a college campus, and it turns out bad for all involved and could have easily been avoided if the individuals would simply comply with the officers requests.
 

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What is confusing? Zero protests. Minimal social media interaction. Very few hits on the stories, and relatively few "commentary" articles of any kind.

Of course it is in the news, or there wouldn't even be an article to link. The reason the poster hadn't seen it for days (instead of being plastered all TVs during the 24/7 news cycle) is because of what I said.

Are you arguing that if white cops cops had shot a black dad with his hands up and murdered his 6 year old autistic child there wouldn't be more coverage?



Are you kidding? Freddie Gray's killers were all prosecuted in the swiftest possible fashion... did you see the coverage+interaction+protests? The guy in Cinci who got shot by the cop when trying to flee the traffic stop got more coverage+interaction+protests as well.

I agree that there hasn't been protests and 24/7 coverage on TV shows but I have seen an article about it just about everyday between USA Today and CNN which shows that it is being covered. Now I do agree that it is sad that there isn't outrage over this incident like there is many of the others (especially since a child was killed). I also agree that the 24/7 news organizations are ratings whores who would blow any story for ratings. So to me it says that people aren't outraged over this story for some reason (which is sad because they should be) and I don't know what that says about our society (probably that white people for one reason or another just don't get as outraged about these things, for a variety of different reasons).
 

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I agree that there hasn't been protests and 24/7 coverage on TV shows but I have seen an article about it just about everyday between USA Today and CNN which shows that it is being covered. Now I do agree that it is sad that there isn't outrage over this incident like there is many of the others (especially since a child was killed). I also agree that the 24/7 news organizations are ratings whores who would blow any story for ratings. So to me it says that people aren't outraged over this story for some reason (which is sad because they should be) and I don't know what that says about our society (probably that white people for one reason or another just don't get as outraged about these things, for a variety of different reasons).

OK we're totally on the same page.

Black people see themselves as perpetual victims of police brutality, etc. (because throughout history that's generally the truth of policing in many areas)... so when a police caused travesty occurs to one of "their own" they outrage against what they perceive to be a systemic issue. Meanwhile, SJWs pile on. And then ratings-driven cable news try to incite both sides of the coin.

White people see something like this happen and go "man, that's really messed up." And then move on with their lives, because they see it as an isolated incident NOT systemic.

It's similar psychological phenomena that drives why "the public" views terrorism deaths quite differently than general homicide.
 

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I guess this shooting occurred in a small town where everyone knows each other. I just heard on local news out here in Cali that they are looking into the fact that one of the officers had a prior beef with the father that they shot. Like I said in my original post it almost looked like a hit.
 

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C'mon T, this country was founded on people telling authority to go fvck themselves. You probably would have defended the British soldiers after the Boston massacre.

"The reason we have incidents like this is pretty simple...it's people in our Colony who think it is ok to not respect the King's men and disobey simple commands..."

T Town Tommy - March 6, 1770

*Now we know the first T stands for Tory


Pretty poor example to support your point. John Adams successfully defended the King's soldiers in a trial with a Colonist jury. Adams was a Founding Father and not a Tory. He went on to become President of the United States.

Tommy seems to be in good company.
 

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Pretty poor example to support your point. John Adams successfully defended the King's soldiers in a trial with a Colonist jury. Adams was a Founding Father and not a Tory. He went on to become President of the United States.

Tommy seems to be in good company.

Adams you say? I'll have to check Wikipedia on that guy, he sounds interesting.
 
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