Path to the CFP?

[BeatSC]

They’re 6 and 7, bro. When splitting hairs the head to head should absolutely be a determining factor.

I will say it again and of course I think we got royally screwed.

in 1993 in what was dubbed “The Game of the Century” we kicked FSU’s ass. They came back (we allowed it sadly) but we were clearly the better team and Nita lucky team like MSU was against UM this year.

We had the same record and an impressive bowl win to finish the season and despite winning the head to head against FSU we finished #2 and FSU #1. It stunk but the National Championship was determined by a popularity contest that Low Holtz lost the the show shucks wide right Bobby Bowden.

it can happen and if Cincy loses a game it better happen again!!!!

 

[NDGOLDEN]

This is example enough that head to head is more important than “statistics”. They have nothing in their formula that says better statistics is a factor

 

[BeatSC]

This is example enough that head to head is more important than “statistics”. They have nothing in their formula that says better statistics is a factor

Eye test will prevail!!!

 

[Irish2155]

I will say it again and of course I think we got royally screwed.

in 1993 in what was dubbed “The Game of the Century” we kicked FSU’s ass. They came back (we allowed it sadly) but we were clearly the better team and Nita lucky team like MSU was against UM this year.

We had the same record and an impressive bowl win to finish the season and despite winning the head to head against FSU we finished #2 and FSU #1. It stunk but the National Championship was determined by a popularity contest that Low Holtz lost the the show shucks wide right Bobby Bowden.

it can happen and if Cincy loses a game it better happen again!!!!

I agree that we got royally screwed that year for a NC.

That game however was far from an ass kicking. We won by 7 at home on a pass breakup at the goal line to end it. Not sure if we were clearly the better team but we did win and it was very late in the season which matters. Texas AM in the bowl we handled by double digits while FSU struggled, but won, vs Nebraska I think.

Shit just seems like yesterday for some reason

 

[BeatSC]

I agree that we got royally screwed that year for a NC.

That game however was far from an ass kicking. We won by 7 at home on a pass breakup at the goal line to end it. Not sure if we were clearly the better team but we did win and it was very late in the season which matters. Texas AM in the bowl we handled by double digits while FSU struggled, but won, vs Nebraska I think.

Shit just seems like yesterday for some reason

We were up by multiple scores when we met them back into it Kate in the fourth. Similar vibe to this years game where we had it in check until we took our foot off their necks. Just hoping they see how we (like Wisconsin) are a much better team than we started the season. That Toledo game is a weight hanging around our neck. Need them to make a bowl game.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Eye test will prevail!!!

Lol it already seems like eye test is all they are going on at this point other than Oregon/OSU matchup

 

[Irish#1]

We’re in a decent position. More shaking out in the next two weeks.

 

[IrishBoognish]

Lol it already seems like eye test is all they are going on at this point other than Oregon/OSU matchup

This is is a good assessment.

If I was a (rich) betting man... and the Ducks beat Utah... I would put a considerable amount of money on the Beavs and the money line. Theyre the exact type of team that the Ducks struggle with and they have heart.



EDIT: Ha!!! I thought you were talking about the Civil War with Oregon State... a couple whiskeys, a long day, and proximity bias on my part!

 

[NDGOLDEN]

This is is a good assessment.

If I was a (rich) betting man... and the Ducks beat Utah... I would put a considerable amount of money on the Beavs and the money line. Theyre the exact type of team that the Ducks struggle with and they have heart.



EDIT: Ha!!! I thought you were talking about the Civil War with Oregon State... a couple whiskeys, a long day, and proximity bias on my part!

Lol hey Oregon st could beat oregon. They have done it before when they were terrible and Oregon was highly ranked

 

[GATTACA!]

Up to #8 as predicted. Essentially #6 since we all know OSU is beating Michigan and MSU.

Getting awfully close boys.

 

[ulukinatme]

I still say this isn't the year. I don't think we'd match up well against Georgia. I'd rather get the New Years Bowl monkey off our back and build up for a strong 2022/2023.

 

[BeatSC]

I still say this isn't the year. I don't think we'd match up well against Georgia. I'd rather get the New Years Bowl monkey off our back and build up for a strong 2022/2023.

Boooo

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I still say this isn't the year. I don't think we'd match up well against Georgia. I'd rather get the New Years Bowl monkey off our back and build up for a strong 2022/2023.

We wouldn’t match up well with UGA but who says they make it to the Champ game?

 

[phork]

The better team thing is a slippery slope because you very easily get into the "why even play the games" situation then. Say Bama loses to UGA, should they still get in ahead of ND because they are the better team? They have looked better outside of their losses, and they have better players and better coaches. But what's the point of it all then? The games should matter.

Cinicinnati will have beaten the best team on their schedule, on the road, by two scores and beaten everyone else they played. ND just doesn't have a good enough win unless Wisconsin wins out. I mean it would be cool and everything but it just seems wrong.

I agree 100%, but they used it on UM/MSU. MSUs loss is worse than UMs, but MSU beat UM. It is what it is.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

ESPN is already banging the drum for 2 loss Bama. Get ready for it because it will happen.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

ESPN is already banging the drum for 2 loss Bama. Get ready for it because it will happen.

It'll happen, but does it happen if UGA beats them by 21+?

Far fetched, I know. But if Bama plays against them the way they tried to play against LSU...

 

[BleedBlueGold]

It's possible ND gets in, as we've all discussed. But I'm not holding my breath. There is a lot of football left to be played.

What if:
-Bama beats Georgia
-Bama barely loses to Georgia (would they consider a two-loss Bama based on recency bias?)
-Oregon, OSU, WF and Ok State (or Oklahoma) all win out

I'm not saying ALL of these play out, but I just think ND still needs a lot of help. 2 of the 3 B1G teams will drop behind ND by the end of the month (doesn't matter who). But even at #6, ND still needs help getting higher. I'm hopeful, just not going to be shocked if it doesn't work out this year.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

ESPN is already banging the drum for 2 loss Bama. Get ready for it because it will happen.

I could see the committee doing it cause they have zero reasoning this year. That said I just couldn’t see them doing it if it was between us at 11-1 and bama 10-2 with us technically has of right now having the better ranked win(Wisconsin vs Texas AM).

I think it would be a dangerous precedent. Putting a 2 loss bama in over a 1 loss ND. Basically would be saying hey SEC you guys can lose 2 games and still make it but the BIG TEN who will have 2 top 10 teams with 2 losses can’t make it because Big ten isn’t as good as the SEC even tho we ranked 5 B10 schools in the top 17 and 6 SEC schools in the top 25

 

[NDGOLDEN]

It's possible ND gets in, as we've all discussed. But I'm not holding my breath. There is a lot of football left to be played.

What if:
-Bama beats Georgia
-Bama barely loses to Georgia (would they consider a two-loss Bama based on recency bias?)
-Oregon, OSU, WF and Ok State (or Oklahoma) all win out

I'm not saying ALL of these play out, but I just think ND still needs a lot of help. 2 of the 3 B1G teams will drop behind ND by the end of the month (doesn't matter who). But even at #6, ND still needs help getting higher. I'm hopeful, just not going to be shocked if it doesn't work out this year.

Ok st or Ok winning out would def jump us I would think. Wake forest I think is out. Oregon will def be in if they win out and same with OSU no questions about those 2 if they win out.

The 2 loss bama theory really pisses me off lol. Cause if that happens and they put them over us or even an undefeated cincy than what’s the point of playing the regular season when you already have your minds set up

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

It will be Bama, UGA, The Big10 Champ and and one other team.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I can't decide who to cheer for in MSU vs. OSU.

I think MSU? They have PSU and Wisconsin if they were to beat OSU. I think they can lose to one of those. I do think OSU has a chance to lose to Michigan, but not a slam dunk.

 

[NDdomer2]

I can't decide who to cheer for in MSU vs. OSU.

I think MSU? They have PSU and Wisconsin if they were to beat OSU. I think they can lose to one of those. I do think OSU has a chance to lose to Michigan, but not a slam dunk.

absolutely MSU.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I really don't think we are nearly as close to making it as people think. I could absolutely see a two loss Bama (if that loss is close) or a 1 loss Big12 champion getting in over ND.

The likelihood of a 2 loss B1G champ isn't great. UGA is in. Bama is more than likely in. So we would need Oregon, Cincy, and more thank likely Oklahoma St and maybe even OU to lose another game; if either of them are 12-1, forget about it. OU would have knocked off one loss OKST and a rematch with Baylor in the CCG. Anyone who thinks that's not enough for the Committee to bump them over us is kidding themselves. We shouldn't even be behind MSU/scUM yet here we are.

There's a lot more chaos needed than I think people really realize. We are not in a single file line; we're in a subjective crowd being judged based on appearances, not with statistics or objectivity; and the Committee thinks we ugly. That's really all it comes down to.

 

[Ndaccountant]

It will be Bama, UGA, The Big10 Champ and and one other team.

How would they seed a 2 loss Bama? They wouldn't want them at 4 to avoid back to back matchups with UGA. So, they move to #3?

 

[Rogue219]

Once Bama gets their second loss, be it Auburn or UGA, they should be done. Nobody can possibly convince me that the four best teams include a two loss Bama team that lost to TAMU.

 

[IrishLax]

They've set Bama up at #2 so that a Georgia team that gets beat by them in SECCG will still get in NOT so that a 2-loss Bama will be in over 1-loss champs from other conferences. There are chaos scenarios where a two loss Bama gets into the playoffs, but they all involve numerous two loss teams.

 

[BeatSC]

I really don't think we are nearly as close to making it as people think. I could absolutely see a two loss Bama (if that loss is close) or a 1 loss Big12 champion getting in over ND.

The likelihood of a 2 loss B1G champ isn't great. UGA is in. Bama is more than likely in. So we would need Oregon, Cincy, and more thank likely Oklahoma St and maybe even OU to lose another game; if either of them are 12-1, forget about it. OU would have knocked off one loss OKST and a rematch with Baylor in the CCG. Anyone who thinks that's not enough for the Committee to bump them over us is kidding themselves. We shouldn't even be behind MSU/scUM yet here we are.

There's a lot more chaos needed than I think people really realize. We are not in a single file line; we're in a subjective crowd being judged based on appearances, not with statistics or objectivity; and the Committee thinks we ugly. That's really all it comes down to.

Hence my desire for some style points please.
we get in over 2 loss Bama.

good news on our SOS! Toledo won again! They will win next week and finish a respectable 7-5. If FSU can beat BC and Florida they will be bowling too. Need VT to win one more and they will be bowl eligible as well. Big game for USC this weekend. I think ucla takes out their frustrations on them but usc pulling that out would be good for us.

could be a big weekend of wins and losses and this thread might hit 1000 posts soon. Basically saying the same thing day after day.

we are going to make it! Just need that #3 spot.

 

[NDPhilly]

I don't understand why losing a close game to the undisputed #1 team should drop Bama from 2 to 5. Maybe OSU's & Oregon's resume gets better but I really don't think a close loss to Georgia should be held against any team.

 

[benneboy]

I don't understand why losing a close game to the undisputed #1 team should drop Bama from 2 to 5. Maybe OSU's & Oregon's resume gets better but I really don't think a close loss to Georgia should be held against any team.

It doesn't. Dropping a close game to the #1 team in the country after losing to a mediocre A&M team is what drops out of the top 4.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I don't understand why losing a close game to the undisputed #1 team should drop Bama from 2 to 5. Maybe OSU's & Oregon's resume gets better but I really don't think a close loss to Georgia should be held against any team.

They talked about this on the CFP show last night; there's two schools of thought on what would happen if Bama lost by, say, 3 points at the horn to UGA.

On one hand (Joey Galloway's argument), you can say Bama just went toe to toe with the undisputed best team in the country which makes them one of the best teams in the country by association. How can they not be top 4 if they lost so close to UGA, who everyone and their mother agrees is the #1 team?

On the other (David Pollack's argument), if you're not going to penalize Bama for losing in the regular season, what are we even doing playing the regular season? It's basically 12 exhibition games with the subjective top 4 teams with no meaning behind the season. At the end of the day, they lost twice, too many other teams have a better record, and therefore are more deserving. (I would also like to add that these teams play such a soft non conference schedule it makes me sick. NMSU in November? Are you fucking kidding me?)

And, as I've said countless times, this is why we need expansion. It has been said, and is mainly accurate, that prior to this year there hasn't been enough controversy to really justify needing expansion, but this year is far and away the most chaotic we've seen since probably 2007, and there are too many good arguments for too many teams to continue this bull shit.

No one is saying definitively that Cincinnati is better than Bama, but Cincinnati hasn't lost, and if they go 13-0 with a top 10 road win, while Bama loses twice, it would be criminal to leave out Cincy because "reasons."

How about we expand the playoff and let it be decided on the field? What's the gap between a 13-0 G5 and a two loss SEC school? If only there was a way to find out rather than just hypothetically talk about it....oh wait.