Offensive Coordinator Search

[stlnd01]

WSU and Baylor are open at the moment. Baylor has been really quiet. I think Sonny Dykes would be likely,

You could maybe see Moorhead to WSU, but I think Baylor would be a stretch. They have "expectations" now, and a just-fired coach with no particular ties to Texas is below them.

 

[texbender]

I once did a job interview in Dallas in January to get some Whataburger. I turned down the job, but I did get Whataburger twice.

True story.

Man, you should let them know that story, probably get you in a commercial.

 

[stlnd01]

The problem with all of this is perception, and that falls right at the feet of BK. The best move BK has ever done at ND was to hire Elko (who was a known DC quantity). Save for 2015, the best seasons ND has had was driven by defense. The offense, especially in big games, has historically been an issue for BK. It's the whole "wheels come off" thing. So with that in mind, it's easy to see why everyone is skeptical of the situation. For ND to take the next step, they need the offense to be better. I know the last games of 2019 were better, but that still doesn't take away the stink of the night in AA. Right or wrong, people think Tommy = BK's system, which has failed on the biggest stages at ND.

Rees could be the next coaching star, or he could be a huge bust. I don't know. But I think the perception surrounding the potential hire has everything to do with BK's history at ND instead of the last games of 2019.

Also, using Coach O is not a real good comparison IMO. For one, coach O had a history at Ole Miss and flopped big time. Second, when you are the coach of USC, you have to be someone other than a bumblin Canjun. It works at LSU, it doesn't work in LA. Finally, it's not like LSU snatched him up the moment he left LA. Nobody wanted him. The dude was out of football and went from interim HC at USC to nothing, not even a position coach the following year. And he was begging to come back. After serving as DL coach for LSU, he got his shot and has made the most of it. But I will wait and see what happens once Burrow is gone and Brady is gone (most likely to the NFL). I'm personally do not think this has staying power. His previous two versions of LSU teams were very similar to Miles.

You really think Orgeron is a bumbling Cajun? I tend to think he plays one on TV. Much like Dabo plays the aw-shucks, praise-be-to-Jesus card when it suits him. These guys may have an accent but they know how to coach, and that's why their teams are still playing football while everyone else is back home gaming the transfer portal.
I think we dodged a major bullet when USC let Coach O walk. He gets his kids to play, and that's been the missing ingredient at Southern Cal for a long time now.

 

[texbender]

WSU and Baylor are open at the moment. Baylor has been really quiet. I think Sonny Dykes would be likely,

Dykes has been mentioned in the Dallas Morning News as an option for Baylor.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Coach D just posted an article where he was adamant that BK not hire Rees. He really isn't a fan of Tommy, is he?

 

[IrishLax]

Coach D just posted an article where he was adamant that BK not hire Rees. He really isn't a fan of Tommy, is he?

He doesn't like that certain coaches give other reporters access that he doesn't have. It's really that simple.

 

[IrishLion]

Great post. All of this! Except the Orgeron stuff, I disagree there. He would have been run out of LA one way or another.

Sunlight is to Superman as Crawfish is to Ed Orgeron.

That's why he's a superpower head coach at LSU. Simple science.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Absolutely! Different plants bloom in different environments.

Can you imagine a suit wearing BK at LSU? I cant.

Doesnt make anyone bad, just different. Which is a good thing.

LSU has been a hotbed of talent for a long time. Amazingly, they have recruited mostly from in state alone. Saban tapped Mobile a lot when he was coach there because the Bama coach at the time was neglecting it but Im sure he is keeping all over it now.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Loy saying he's hearing a lot of buzz that it's going to be Tommy.

 

[Cali_domer]

Loy saying he's hearing a lot of buzz that it's going to be Tommy.

Of course, nice dog and pony show though.

 

[koonja]

Loy saying he's hearing a lot of buzz that it's going to be Tommy.

Ugh.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I'm on bored for having Tommy be the OC especially if he was calling plays the last 5 games. He knows what Kelly wants and knows the system. Bringing in someone from the outside you run the risk of their style not going well with the guys we have on the team.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I'll never understand how posters can hold the opinion that PJ should have played instead of Book because his "ceiling" is higher, ignoring the fact that we have a current starter at QB who will break ND records next year.

Same dudes DON'T want Rees as OC, because we don't know enough about him, and there is a more experienced OC to be had. Conveniently, they ignore the fact that there is five games worth of evidence at the end of the season that prove that the dude can get it done.

Tommy's five games = not enough evidence, yet PJ, based on his HS film and a recruiting ranking, was the dude that could get us over the hump, and should be starting over Book next year. Got it.

 

[Cali_domer]

I'm on bored for having Tommy be the OC especially if he was calling plays the last 5 games. He knows what Kelly wants and knows the system. Bringing in someone from the outside you run the risk of their style not going well with the guys we have on the team.

I'm "bored" with it also.

 

[koonja]

I'll never understand how posters can hold the opinion that PJ should have played instead of Book because his "ceiling" is higher, ignoring the fact that we have a current starter at QB who will break ND records next year.

Same dudes DON'T want Rees as OC, because we don't know enough about him, and there is a more experienced OC to be had. Conveniently, they ignore the fact that there is five games worth of evidence at the end of the season that prove that the dude can get it done.

Tommy's five games = not enough evidence, yet PJ, based on his HS film and a recruiting ranking, was the dude that could get us over the hump, and should be starting over Book next year. Got it.

That's not a known fact. It was internet opinions along the lines of: "I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy was more involved because Long is likely gone/Heard Tommy may be more involved".

Now time has passed and Long is gone, so it's easy to assume but I seriously doubt Tommy was calling the plays while Long sat there and twiddles his thumbs.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's not a known fact. It was internet opinions along the lines of: "I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy was more involved because Long is likely gone/Heard Tommy may be more involved".

Now time has passed and Long is gone, so it's easy to assume but I seriously doubt Tommy was calling the plays while Long sat there and twiddles his thumbs.

He was calling the passing plays. Long still had the ground game.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I could see the scenario playing out just like it does on a lot of sidelines with inexperienced OC's and HC's with offensive backgrounds. Every school has a list of maybe 5-7 plays for pretty much every down and distance and field position situation on the field. Factoring in as well which plays the QB seems most comfortable with and has executed the best and then eliminate the other plays. The inexperienced OC calls one of those 5-7 plays and the HC has the ability to veto the play or go with it. Sometimes I think we can over-analyze just what goes on between plays on a football field. The key for a good OC is to not become dependent on those 1-2 plays for each given situation. That's what we typically see when we watch games and have the ability to call the next offensive play before it happens.

IMO... I think this is the type of relationship BK would have with Rees. And I think it could work until Rees gains enough experience and BK becomes more comfortable with his selection of plays. It does take a willingness on both HC and OC to set aside ego to make it work. In the past, I think BK has allowed that to creep in a bit. But once he learned to let the OC go with his instincts more often, I think the Irish had a bit more success.

 

[BabyIrish]

That's not a known fact. It was internet opinions along the lines of: "I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy was more involved because Long is likely gone/Heard Tommy may be more involved".

Now time has passed and Long is gone, so it's easy to assume but I seriously doubt Tommy was calling the plays while Long sat there and twiddles his thumbs.

This is incorrect. Lax was the first to come out and say right after the Navy game that he was told from a source Rees was in charge. Certainly it’s internet opinion but it’s not this random made up opinion. It comes from a poster who’s proved credible on this site.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This is incorrect. Lax was the first to come out and say right after the Navy game that he was told from a source Rees was in charge. Certainly it’s internet opinion but it’s not this random made up opinion. It comes from a poster who’s proved credible on this site.

Don't call out Koon's facts using your facts. Your facts are nothing in comparison to his!

 

[SoIll]

This is incorrect. Lax was the first to come out and say right after the Navy game that he was told from a source Rees was in charge. Certainly it’s internet opinion but it’s not this random made up opinion. It comes from a poster who’s proved credible on this site.

Not entirely true.

 

[IrishLax]

Of course, nice dog and pony show though.

Called it.

 

[koonja]

This is incorrect. Lax was the first to come out and say right after the Navy game that he was told from a source Rees was in charge. Certainly it’s internet opinion but it’s not this random made up opinion. It comes from a poster who’s proved credible on this site.

No offense, but I don't put a lot of weight into a poster referencing something they were told by 1 unnamed source.

An active OC just giving up all play calling quietly? Very skeptical that happened.

 

[koonja]

Don't call out Koon's facts using your facts. Your facts are nothing in comparison to his!

I'm not presenting any facts.

Who let the children out early?

 

[IrishLion]

No offense, but I don't put a lot of weight into a poster referencing something they were told by 1 unnamed source.

An active OC just giving up all play calling quietly? Very skeptical that happened.

He didn't give it up, so much as he started sharing duties.

Tommy was calling down pass plays from the box; Long was still in charge of the run game.

(Spoiler Alert: Nearly every play gets called in as a pass, with options for checks or audibles to a run depending on defensive alignment.)

 

[koonja]

He didn't give it up, so much as he started sharing duties.

Tommy was calling down pass plays from the box; Long was still in charge of the run game.

(Spoiler Alert: Nearly every play gets called in as a pass, with options for checks or audibles to a run depending on defensive alignment.)

If true, does it concern anyone we averaged 273 passing yards per game on the year.. And only eclipsed that average ONCE in the final 5 games?

Against the easiest part of the schedule? Yikes.

 

[IrishLion]

If true, does it concern anyone we averaged 273 passing yards per game on the year.. And only eclipsed that average ONCE in the final 5 games?

Against the easiest part of the schedule? Yikes.

Tommy was coordinating the passing game post-scUM, not the whole year.

Idk what your film study tells you, but I saw an offense that finally opened up vertically and was more effective on standard downs the last part of the year, so I was satisfied.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

If true, does it concern anyone we averaged 273 passing yards per game on the year.. And only eclipsed that average ONCE in the final 5 games?

Against the easiest part of the schedule? Yikes.

Can I see your math on that?

EDIT: I think I figured it out. You divided ND's passing yards (3283) by 12 instead of 13.

3282/13 = 252.54

 

[IrishLion]

Let me add:

I'm actually LOL'ing at Koon trying to poo-poo the [passing] offense over the last 6 games of the season, which was probably the most offensively-efficient 5-game stretch ND has ever had under BK.

"We didn't even hit the season average for passing except in one game!" he said, ignoring literally every other aspect of an improved offense.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So if you're talking about the last five games of the regular season, ND exceeded their average in 3 of them (VT, Navy, Stanford). The other two were when they beat Duke on the road by 31 (though ND certainly did not throw the ball well) and Boston College where they could have thrown for 500 if they wanted to.

 

[koonja]

I was talking last 5 games of the season because that's the alleged story from the poster who heard from an unnamed source.

My 273/game was incorect because I didn't factor in the 13th game. The season average was 252.

The last 5 games (weakest half of the schedule) we averaged 242 passing/game.