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It was split. 3 games we exceeded our season average (7.9), 3 games we were under that.

You can't be this dense. When comparing seasons splits like this, you don't compare the last 5 to the full 13. You compare it to the previous 8, as the improvement in the last 5 makes the previous 8 look material better than they were. I gave you the numbers. No need to give them back to me.
 

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I like Rees and I think he does a good job. Could he be a lights out OC of course. He has the people around him to help him. However I think if you a legitimate chance with a proven OC I think you have to go that route as long as you aren’t changing the complex of the offense. I am not a football coach and I don’t know how either one prepares or anything like that. It is both a strength and weakness that Kelly is loyal to his assistants. Let’s hope kelly and the other offensive coaches that have a hand in this do all their homework and make the right hire.
 
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You can't be this dense. When comparing seasons splits like this, you don't compare the last 5 to the full 13. You compare it to the previous 8, as the improvement in the last 5 makes the previous 8 look material better than they were. I gave you the numbers. No need to give them back to me.

If you're going to be a jerk, at least be right.

The first 7 games of the year, the average yards/ pass attempt = 8.11 Yards/attempt. 210 passes, 1,705 yards.

The final 6 games of the year (against slightly worse pass defenses) the average YPA = 7.6. 206 passes, 1,573 yards.
 

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I’ll be pissed if BK goes w/ Rees w/o interviewing any other OC’s. It may be just enough to shift me to the fire BK camp. Not saying I’m there yet but I would give it some serious consideration.
I would understand if there were NO other good options but that’s not the case. Co-OC, fine, but not the whole damn show. So what, Rees is just going to use BK’s playbook? How old is he anyway, 24???
I’m really starting to hate the way this is going. F#ck.
 

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I’ll be pissed if BK goes w/ Rees w/o interviewing any other OC’s. It may be just enough to shift me to the fire BK camp. Not saying I’m there yet but I would give it some serious consideration.
I would understand if there were NO other good options but that’s not the case. Co-OC, fine, but not the whole damn show. So what, Rees is just going to use BK’s playbook? How old is he anyway, 24???
I’m really starting to hate the way this is going. F#ck.

They’ve been interviewing/talking to all kinds of people outside of ND.

They even got in touch with the LSU wonderboy Joe Brady about a potential move to ND. They’re doing their due diligence.
 

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Yeah I wouldn’t assume if they promote Rees that they didn’t talk to other people. If that’s what they were planning to do all along it would have happened faster.
 

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They’ve been interviewing/talking to all kinds of people outside of ND.

They even got in touch with the LSU wonderboy Joe Brady about a potential move to ND. They’re doing their due diligence.

Good to hear, but if that’s the case we can’t do any better the. Rees? Oh Lordy, not sure that makes me feel any better.

Ughhhhh, oh well. Not going to lose any sleep on it. I’ll just bitc# and complain. :)
 

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So if you look at defensive rankings based on "passing yards allowed", the first 7 teams average ranking is 69, and we averaged 213 YPG.

The final 6 teams defensive rankings are 72nd and we averaged 214 YPG.

Yet somehow the OC was so bad everyone was offering to "pack his bags", yet the predecessor with no experience had virtually the SAME production relative to ranking, and we think we found a silver bullet.

Doesn't pass the sniff test.

Leave it to Koon to pick the worst possible vanilla stats and warp them to fit some dumbass narrative that doesn't even pass the sniff test.

Check out Ian Book's QBR over the first 8 games versus the last 5. Says all you need to know about the offense and passing game.
 

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Bowling Green and New Mexico were only in the first half of the season, kinda inflating those passing stats...

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If we can't use defensive rankings based on "passing yards allowed per game" to how many yards were passed for in that game, what are we even doing here then?

Of course no stat is perfect but that's as direct as it gets.

If I had to choose one stat to tell the story as far as passing goes it'd be yards/attempt.

If ND decided to stomp BC and Stanford by throwing instead of running and had added another 300-400 yards it would change your mind?

The problem you’re running into here is that ND didn’t play in hardly any close games this season. Garbage time is making up a huge chunk of your sample.
 
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If you're going to be a jerk, at least be right.

The first 7 games of the year, the average yards/ pass attempt = 8.11 Yards/attempt. 210 passes, 1,705 yards.

The final 6 games of the year (against slightly worse pass defenses) the average YPA = 7.6. 206 passes, 1,573 yards.

Haha, moving goal posts as I clearly stated the last 5 games in all of my posts regarding stats.

Ian Book had 399 pass attempts with 3039 yards on the season. 249 attempts and 1833 yds through 8 and 150 attempts with 1206 yards in the next 5. Those work out to 7.36 and 8.04

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ian-book-1/gamelog/2019/
 
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Haha, moving goal posts as I clearly stated the last 5 games in all of my posts regarding stats.

Ian Book had 399 pass attempts with 3039 yards on the season. 249 attempts and 1833 yds through 8 and 150 attempts with 1206 yards in the next 5. Those work out to 7.36 and 8.04

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ian-book-1/gamelog/2019/

Lol, why are you now only using 5 games versus 6?

You were all over the "it's 6 games not 5!".

Now it's back to 5 games? Lol.
 
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Bottom line, YPA is widely regarded as the best measure of passing effectiveness.

Using the allegeded "Rees calling plays after Michigan" claim that's corrobatated by no one...

Chip Long has 8.11 YPA against slightly higher ranked pass defenses. And he should be fired.

Rees takes over against slightly lower ranked pass defenses and averages 7.6 YPA.

And he should be given the job with zero experience besides that.

All you need to know to follow the IE pushed logic, lol.
 

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Koon you are not this dumb. I mean most of this stupidity you are spirting out is on account of you being an insecure person and needs all the attention you can get right? Because I know you are not this dumb.


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Koon you are not this dumb. I mean most of this stupidity you are spirting out is on account of you being an insecure person and needs all the attention you can get right? Because I know you are not this dumb.


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What is dumb about my previous post?
 

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Bottom line, YPA is widely regarded as the best measure of passing effectiveness.

Using the allegeded "Rees calling plays after Michigan" claim that's corrobatated by no one...

Chip Long has 8.11 YPA against slightly higher ranked pass defenses. And he should be fired.

Rees takes over against slightly lower ranked pass defenses and averages 7.6 YPA.

And he should be given the job with zero experience besides that.

All you need to know to follow the IE pushed logic, lol.



Damn it in. I don’t think a single poster has stated that Rees should just be handed the job. I think everyone is in agreement that a full search for an OC is what should be done and is being done.


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Lol, why are you now only using 5 games versus 6?

You were all over the "it's 6 games not 5!".

Now it's back to 5 games? Lol.

You really are bad at this aren't you. Find one post of mine that said 6 over 5, I'll wait...

The initial post that I quoted from you, stated 5, so I provided you with the information you were so clearly lacking on the 5 games in question.
 
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There is a lot more to it than that. Book's comp pct. over the last 5 was 63.3% and his yds/att increased to 8.04 both of which are increases over the first 8 games, which was 58% and 7.36 yds/att, respectively. He threw 17 of his 34 Td's in the final 5 of a 13 game schedule.

And, the weak schedule narrative doesn't work because at the time of playing, both Navy and ISU were top 25-30 defenses with S&P+. And we absolutely shredded both and a lot of their respective averages going in like YPP. In those two games alone, Book was 34/48 for 70.8% comp pct., 6 TD's to 0 INT's, with a yds/att slightly over 11. Those are truly elite numbers against two top 25 defenses.

Bump because apparently Koon is having troubles deciphering his 6's from 5's.
 
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You really are bad at this aren't you. Find one post of mine that said 6 over 5, I'll wait...

The initial post that I quoted from you, stated 5, so I provide you with the information you were so clearly lacking on the 5 games in question.

Since you're following so well you'd know that I originally drew the line around last 5 games because everyone has been saying "final 5 games". Let me restate this so it's perfecltly clear -- I only did 5 games because that's what I heard from this rumor. Apparently it was 6, so I did 6.

I was then told it's actually 6 games (it's all above), so I did the numbers on 6 games.

Defenses got worse and Yards per pass attempt also dropped in the game Rees was allegedly calling the passing plays on.

Those are just facts.

So don't push the "passing game was greatly improved" over the time Rees was calling the plays narrative.
 
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Since you're following so well you'd know that I originally drew the line around last 5 games because everyone has been saying "final 5 games". Let me restate this so it's perfecltly clear -- I only did 5 games because that's what I heard from this rumor. Apparently it was 6, so I did 6.

I was then told it's actually 6 games (it's all above), so I did the numbers on 6 games.

Defenses got worse and Yards per pass attempt also dropped in the game Rees was allegedly calling the passing plays on.
Those are just facts.

So don't push the "passing game was greatly improved" over the time Rees was calling the plays narrative.

Haha, dude you fail so hard. Math is beautiful because there is no grey area for Koon's bizarre opinions to live. There is a right answer and that is, even if you include the VT game, YPA for the first 7 games was 7.61. The next 6 it was 7.62.

Through 7 games, 196 attempts 1492 yards
Final 6, 203 with 1547 yards
 
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I probably glossed over it, but who does Koon want to be our OC?
 

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SIAP, but Okie State promoted from within and Todd Monken is out in Cleveland. That is something to keep an eye on.
 
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I probably glossed over it, but who does Koon want to be our OC?

Not someone who has zero experience and was the same or worse than the guy we all wanted to get fired..

Not Rees. Someone with experience at being an OC.
 
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Haha, dude you fail so hard. Math is beautiful because there is no grey area for Koon's bizarre opinions to live. There is a right answer and that is, even if you include the VT game, YPA for the first 7 games was 7.61. The next 6 it was 7.62.

Through 7 games, 196 attempts 1492 yards
Final 6, 203 with 1547 yards

These numbers are not correct. Via ESPN's site showing the totals for every game, you're off.

I'll post in the morning, it's not going to be pretty. Perhaps a mod clean up before then will save you from tail between the legs.

If not, see you in the am.

Post Rees: 8.11
Rees: 7.6
 
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