Oct 3 | Clemson

[BGIF]

Didn't we lose three fumbles in the second half? Sanders second half kickoff, Procise run next series and Brown at the goal line?

I'm with you. I posted CBSSports Stats from the gametracker.

ESPN's gametracker also agrees with you.

I chanaged the stats post to 3.

Thanks for catching that.

 

[Butchie]

If those plays were high percentage everyone would go for two every time.

DUMB FU({\ He was wide open. Percentage?????? WIDE OPEN! Coach Kelly beat the odds on the play by creating a wide open scenario. WTF! Dumb A$$

 

[Butchie]

DUMB FU({\ He was wide open. Percentage?????? WIDE OPEN! Coach Kelly beat the odds on the play by creating a wide open scenario. WTF! Dumb A$$

BTW I love you BRO. I'm just frustrated. I hate loosing, I AM THE ULTIMATE COMPETITOR

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah, fine. If nobody makes any mistakes, we win the game by 5 touchdowns. What is your point? We didn't need to go for two, because if we bypassed two PATs and lost by two points. And no matter what the score is, you don't go for two that early in the game unless you are getting hopelessly blown out, for the exact reason of what played out tonight.

Mistakes all around

 

[Irish YJ]

Sucks but good times

Go Irish


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[sheffieldcelt]

I think overall we should we are a good team but sleeping at start of 1st (gave them 14pt start), sleeping at start of 2nd half giving up the ball on 1st possession, to cough the ball up on the 5 was hard to take but we faught our way back in - with benefit of hindsight it was a mistake to go for 2 - need 15 an 8 and a 7 why not go for 7 1st cos chance you might not need the 8 depending on what happens and as it turned out we did not need any 2pt conv.

Exciting game, in 4th our D stood up and they were impressive quick drives, we're out of it completely and had chance to tie from the 3 so the lads did well to get back in it but can't go into Clemson and give them 14pt start then cough ball up so often

Fuller took a bit of criticism but that was a great play he made 4th down low to keep us alive



Just need to aim for 11/1 as see where that takes us 🍀🏉🍀

 

[Irish2155]

11-1 Irish team more than likely will still be good enough to make the playoff. Loss on the road, by 2, in the rain...shouldn't hurt us too bad. But have to win out...

The 2 point call is haunting me. They stacked the box all night...in the 4th BK finally figured out chucking it over the middle was open. Yet on the game winning/losing play...we went back to running in the heart of their D.

Still confused to why this morning...??

 

[Grahambo]

11-1 Irish team more than likely will still be good enough to make the playoff. Loss on the road, by 2, in the rain...shouldn't hurt us too bad. But have to win out...

The 2 point call is haunting me. They stacked the box all night...in the 4th BK finally figured out chucking it over the middle was open. Yet on the game winning/losing play...we went back to running in the heart of their D.

Still confused to why this morning...??

To a Top 12 team. Not like a loss at home to an unranked 2-2 ASU.

 

[Irish2155]

To a Top 12 team. Not like a loss at home to an unranked 2-2 ASU.

We'll be just fine, need to win out and see what happens from there.

 

[ThePiombino]

We'll be just fine, need to win out and see what happens from there.

Tall task, but doable. I don't think SC is as good as we thought before the season, but they can definitely exploit our secondary. Right now, we have to hope we don't have the clichéd letdown game next week against Navy. If we can bounce back from this week's Murphy's Law exposé and dominate next week THEN I think we'll be just fine.

 

[Irish2155]

Tall task indeed, but I think we can do it...might just be the homer in me coming out.

Going into the season, on the road at Clemson was the game I thought we'd have the most problem with...followed by USC at home then the Tree on the west coast.

Let's just win out and see where the chips fall.

 

[irish4ever]

To a Top 12 team. Not like a loss at home to an unranked 2-2 ASU.

I dunno. Of course they need to run the table, have Standford or U$C win the PAC-12 (they would have beaten both of them by the Irish winning out), but I don't know where the opening would come from. You can almost guarantee that 1 slot will come from the SEC, 1 from the B1G, someone undefeated out of the BIG-12 would be a 3rd, then it would be hard to surpass the ACC champ IF F$U is undefeated or Clemson wins it with only 1 loss (since they beat the Irish).

All they can do is win every game and hope for a "mini miracle" that one of the big conferences outside the PAC-12 implodes.

 

[Irish2155]

I dunno. Of course they need to run the table, have Standford or U$C win the PAC-12 (they would have beaten both of them by the Irish winning out), but I don't know where the opening would come from. You can almost guarantee that 1 slot will come from the SEC, 1 from the B1G, someone undefeated out of the BIG-12 would be a 3rd, then it would be hard to surpass the ACC champ IF F$U is undefeated or Clemson wins it with only 1 loss (since they beat the Irish).

All they can do is win every game and hope for a "mini miracle" that one of the big conferences outside the PAC-12 implodes.

Let it play out bro...we'll see. Conference champs will have two losses this year. Our loss, assuming the only, came in the right time of the season under the right situations...

 

[sheffieldcelt]

Most frustrating irony is we did not need any of the 2pts for OT , 1pt kick for each TD and level despite being 15 down earlier

 

[Irish2155]

Most frustrating irony is we did not need any of the 2pts for OT , 1pt kick for each TD and level despite being 15 down earlier

Frustrating yes, but wouldn't say the most. That would be the play calling up to the 4th quarter...added to the play call on the last 2 point try.

 

[Grahambo]

I dunno. Of course they need to run the table, have Standford or U$C win the PAC-12 (they would have beaten both of them by the Irish winning out), but I don't know where the opening would come from. You can almost guarantee that 1 slot will come from the SEC, 1 from the B1G, someone undefeated out of the BIG-12 would be a 3rd, then it would be hard to surpass the ACC champ IF F$U is undefeated or Clemson wins it with only 1 loss (since they beat the Irish).

All they can do is win every game and hope for a "mini miracle" that one of the big conferences outside the PAC-12 implodes.

Didn't mean to imply it was impossible for UCLA to win out. But Ill take ND's loss over UCLA's loss assuming both run the table. I suppose thats a pretty easy hot take on my part.

 

[BeauBenken]

Looking for a link to the full game. Help a brother out. Last night was homecoming here...that's all I should have to say.

 

[wizards8507]

Looking for a link to the full game. Help a brother out. Last night was homecoming here...that's all I should have to say.

ESPN3.com or the WatchESPN app. Click "Replay."

 

[Irish2155]

Looking for a link to the full game. Help a brother out. Last night was homecoming here...that's all I should have to say.

Don't bother, unless you fast forward to quarter 4...

 

[BeauBenken]

Don't bother, unless you fast forward to quarter 4...

Sort of a masochist. Gonna watch the whole thing.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think overall we should we are a good team but sleeping at start of 1st (gave them 14pt start), sleeping at start of 2nd half giving up the ball on 1st possession, to cough the ball up on the 5 was hard to take but we faught our way back in - with benefit of hindsight it was a mistake to go for 2 - need 15 an 8 and a 7 why not go for 7 1st cos chance you might not need the 8 depending on what happens and as it turned out we did not need any 2pt conv.

Exciting game, in 4th our D stood up and they were impressive quick drives, we're out of it completely and had chance to tie from the 3 so the lads did well to get back in it but can't go into Clemson and give them 14pt start then cough ball up so often

Fuller took a bit of criticism but that was a great play he made 4th down low to keep us alive



Just need to aim for 11/1 as see where that takes us ������

Well, the short answer about the 2 point conversion thing was that we were down by 12 and not 15 at the time, so the goal was to bring the game to a TD+FG margin. Obviously, that was moot after Clemson kicked an FG on their next possession.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Will be pulling for Clemson all year for our own benefit

 

[Old Man Mike]

Didn't watch the game live. Watched the first half this morning.

Couple of observations on that:

1). you can't run on good opposition when they are stacking the box and blitzing gaps. Pass it!
2). no Luatua hurt with this manpower disadvantage on running plays.
3). in the second quarter Will Fuller was open maybe a dozen times --- their famous corner wasn't close most of it --- Kizer just couldn't see him for some reason.
4). defense stunk particularly at linebacker [Jaylon FOR SURE INCLUDED] in the critical first six and a half minutes.
5). Deshone has serious potential but is not quite seasoned enough --- maybe appearances will change when I see the second half.

 

[Irish2155]

Didn't watch the game live. Watched the first half this morning.

Couple of observations on that:

1). you can't run on good opposition when they are stacking the box and blitzing gaps. Pass it!
2). no Luatua hurt with this manpower disadvantage on running plays.
3). in the second quarter Will Fuller was open maybe a dozen times --- their famous corner wasn't close most of it --- Kizer just couldn't see him for some reason.
4). defense stunk particularly at linebacker [Jaylon FOR SURE INCLUDED] in the critical first six and a half minutes.
5). Deshone has serious potential but is not quite seasoned enough --- maybe appearances will change when I see the second half.

yes, yes, yes...why is this so hard for the coaches not to see?

 

[ulukinatme]

Didn't watch the game live. Watched the first half this morning.

Couple of observations on that:

1). you can't run on good opposition when they are stacking the box and blitzing gaps. Pass it!
2). no Luatua hurt with this manpower disadvantage on running plays.
3). in the second quarter Will Fuller was open maybe a dozen times --- their famous corner wasn't close most of it --- Kizer just couldn't see him for some reason.
4). defense stunk particularly at linebacker [Jaylon FOR SURE INCLUDED] in the critical first six and a half minutes.
5). Deshone has serious potential but is not quite seasoned enough --- maybe appearances will change when I see the second half.

Great observations, I think a lot of us were thinking the same thing.
I'd like to know who called the plays against Michigan State in 2013. We really should not have won that game. We had Tommy behind center, facing a great defense that was loading the box, but we were throwing the ball deep at times and taking advantage of one on one matchups as a result of their safeties cheating up. It resulted in a number of PI penalties, some maybe were generous by the officials, but it was a sound plan. The best part was Tommy was being pretty safe with those throws that he was making by throwing long rather than aiming short. At times taking those shots helped force Michigan State to back off and open up a run. It didn't lead to a ton of points or yards, but it was smarter than running up the gut a bunch because it did turn into yards and at times it softened up the defense.

Really though we didn't have to throw a ton of deep balls, we just should have stopped playing into Clemson's hand, that was the stupidest part. They load the box? Lets run between the tackles a bunch. Who called those plays? Yeah, that may have worked against other teams, but not in Death Valley at night with 8 guys in the box. Throw some screens, some quick slants, maybe a quick pitch to the outside. Take what the defense gives you and attack their weakness, don't run into their teeth over and over again and expect you're going to come out on top.

 

[connor_in]

Damefan: The good..The BAD..The happy...and the SAD!... GO IRISH!

hat tip to Irish TP for posting this on Twitter

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Needed some time to digest this loss. It still stings. A lot of my thoughts have been discussed, but here they are anyways:

-You can't spot a good team 14 points to start a game. See Oklahoma 2013. The defense looked completely out of sync to start the game. Very strange considering they had started every previous game forcing a 3-and-Out.

-When Clemson stacks the box and ND's OL can't get a push, it's time start throwing to get them to back off. Look at CJ's splits in the first half. It's beyond horrific. Yet series after series they insisted on forcing the run. All it did was put Kizer in a tough spot...

-Kizer played about as good you could've hoped given the circumstances. His WRs let him down often. The drops were killer. Corey Robinson needs to be benched until he starts showing more consistency and dependability. Idk what happened, but he was clutch at times last year, and now it's damn near pointless to have him in the game.

-ND had SIX fumbles (lost three) and an interception. Clemson had one, I think, and recovered it. They did have one interception. (Per OFD podcast...I didn't track these stats). It's not bad luck, it's lack of focus.

-Fumble aside, I'm so glad they finally made the switch on kickoff returns. I've been saying Amir needs to be taken out of that role for two seasons now. It finally happened. I'm looking forward to what Sanders brings. That fumble was brutal, but overall, this is a great move.

-Defense could've been better, but they could've been worse as well. Tackling, especially in the backfield or along the LOS needs to improve. Clemson had four scoring drives and two of those were a direct result of a short field by the hands of ND's special teams (poor punt, fumbled kickoff). Once they settled in after the first half of the first quarter, they played well enough to win. They got stops when they needed to down the stretch. The offense just struggled mightily until the fourth. That's unfortunate.

-The 2-point conversion(s). Conversion #1: The chart says go for it in the fourth. But it was literally 40 seconds into the quarter. A little common sense needs to be applied here. It was wrong to go for it, imo. BUT it's moot because the play worked, Robinson just didn't execute it (see earlier rant). Conversion #2: At first I questioned the play call. But after re-watching it, the OL just got blown up too quickly. Elmer and Martin are extremely underwhelming when up against decent competition. The hole was there, Kizer went for it, but it closed too quickly. End of game.

Look, shit happens. This loss was a joint effort (coaches and players)....and they still almost won. What I'm most pissed about is that it took Clemson playing basically a flawless game and ND playing their worst game of the season for this outcome to happen...and it did. That's tough to swallow. I loved the fight in our guys. But there are no moral victories for me.

This team needs to regroup and make a statement over the next two games. (Is it unsettling to anyone else that this is similar to last year in that there was a gigantic let down in the season's top game with Navy to follow? I hope they change the script this year.)

 

[kmoose]

30+ in the flood?

If not for two Corey Robinson drops, ND puts up 30..... and wins!