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They hired two guys that were on the 1990 championship team. They both interviewed for the job and Enbree got it. So he hired Bienemy as his assistant. Both these guys were heavily supported by alumni to get the job. They wanted a "CU Guy". So while they do make chump-change, they put a lot of thought into the staff.




You were the one that brought up tradition, which as I pointed out, KSU has none. Furthermore, Bill Snyder's (while a fantastic coach) isn't known for competing for championships. This is really the best start his team has ever had. So call CU irrelevent if you want, but they are no more irrelevent than KSU has been over the last... well... forever.


In '98, if not for a couple fluke/crazy plays in the Big XII championship game, they would've gone undefeated into the national championship game against Tennessee...with a quite legitimate chance to beat them. Obviously didn't happen, but Snyder and K-State have been there.

Losing in a Big12 championship game with a title shot on the line is not "being there". If a loss in the championship game is their biggest accomplishment, that tells you everything that you need to know about their tradition.

I don't think K-State is a premiere program nor one with a rich tradition. Nor are they "there."

But no, this isn't the best start K-State has ever had nor has Bill Snyder not ever competed for championships-- he's competed for 3 Big XII and one natty.
 

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This board even if you take away all of the Irish-talk (for them) is still better than the forum they are coming from.

OUMallen recommended LandThieves.com. It was decent. But really still sounded like a bunch of Miami fans not talking football and just talking about how bad they are going to stomp us.
 

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OUMallen recommended LandThieves.com. It was decent. But really still sounded like a bunch of Miami fans not talking football and just talking about how bad they are going to stomp us.

i prefer soonerfans.com but soonertimes.com is very well thought about by the people there really not near as much trash talking and very bright people there. plus it has a way lower number of people posting which helps for intelligent conversation
 

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OUMallen recommended LandThieves.com. It was decent. But really still sounded like a bunch of Miami fans not talking football and just talking about how bad they are going to stomp us.

There are significant differences between Miami fans and Sooner fans.... namely about 56 IQ points.
 

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Open letter from OU president....
This will be a special weekend. The Oklahoma Sooners will have the chance to post a VICTORY as we observe the 55th Anniversary of the ending of OU’s 47-game winning streak — the longest in college football history. A visit by ESPN’s GameDay will add to the excitement.
It’s a time for wins both on and off the field. In 1999, the last time we played Notre Dame, several of us made the trip to South Bend for the game. We have never experienced greater hospitality when visiting another campus. Everywhere we went on campus, from the ticket takers at the stadium to students and fans we met on the campus, we were warmly greeted by the words, “welcome to Notre Dame.” We were stopped by those who wanted to tell us how much they respect Oklahoma. We now have a chance to show our visitors from Notre Dame the same kind of warm hospitality in return. While our team wins on the field, it’s time for the rest of us to step up and demonstrate “Championship Hospitality.”
Boomer Sooner,
David Boren
 

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This game is going to be won or lost in the trenches. If we can dominate both sides of the ball like we have all year we have a good shot, if not it's going to a long night for us.
 
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OUMallen recommended LandThieves.com. It was decent. But really still sounded like a bunch of Miami fans not talking football and just talking about how bad they are going to stomp us.

LandThieves can be an acquired taste. But I like it.
 

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I don't think K-State is a premiere program nor one with a rich tradition. Nor are they "there."

But no, this isn't the best start K-State has ever had nor has Bill Snyder not ever competed for championships-- he's competed for 3 Big XII and one natty.

Agree with you. They started 7-0 just last year, and their 3 losses last year were all to Top 10 teams.
 

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It is pretty obvious to those of us that have been following Big 12 football, including Bill Snyder at KSU, for years that he has built a tradition of winning at KSU. He took possibly the worst team on the face of the planet and while he has been the head coach there has consistantly won. I am not certain any other coach can claim that, and to do it two times is rather impressive, Remember, he took over for Ron Prince who could not sustain winning there after Snyder retired the first time. He has won multiple division titles and has won the conference outright in the past and it looks like he may be doing that again this year. I am sorry if being in the running is not impressive to you, but to the vast majority of the teams across the country they would love to be mentioned as contending for a MNC. Behind coach Stoops i respect coach Snyder more than any other coach in the country. I know this will not change the way you think about KSU and for that I am sorry since you are obviously missing out on on something wonderful in the midwest. Now...back to OU vs ND...best regards Boomer Sooner.

There have been a ton of coaches that can claim more that.

- Tom Osbourne
- Howard Schnellenberger
- Bobby Bowden

There are a few off of the top of my head. Damn near every program has some coach that lifted them to relevency, but most of the time, that coach lifts them higher than division title. As I said, no disrespect to Snyder, he is a fantastic coach. But to act like he has built some tradition that is better than schools that have actually won real championships is silly.
 

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There have been a ton of coaches that can claim more that.

- Tom Osbourne
- Howard Schnellenberger
- Bobby Bowden

There are a few off of the top of my head. Damn near every program has some coach that lifted them to relevency, but most of the time, that coach lifts them higher than division title. As I said, no disrespect to Snyder, he is a fantastic coach. But to act like he has built some tradition that is better than schools that have actually won real championships is silly.

Doing it by recruiting mostly from a Texas recruiting base already spliced down by Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Texas A&M, Baylor, etc is. They have built up the program with mostly 2 and low 3 star guys passed on by all the big buys, and then go head to head and beat the big boys with those same players. To me, that is very impressive.

Obviously they are not a traditional power, nor do they have a championship to their name. But they are a force to be reckon with in the present, and could be if the ultimate successor builds off of the foundation laid by Snyder.
 

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Doing it by recruiting mostly from a Texas recruiting base already spliced down by Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Texas A&M, Baylor, etc is. They have built up the program with mostly 2 and low 3 star guys passed on by all the big buys, and then go head to head and beat the big boys with those same players. To me, that is very impressive.

Obviously they are not a traditional power, nor do they have a championship to their name. But they are a force to be reckon with in the present, and could be if the ultimate successor builds off of the foundation laid by Snyder.

Let's not act like he is building it with lowly 3-star recruits. Snyder has consistently used juco's and kids that couldn't get into other schools to build depth.

Furthermore, I have never said that Snyder is anything but a great coach. The OP said that he is one of the best coaches of all time and that KSU had more tradition than CU. Neither of which is remotely accurate.
 

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There have been a ton of coaches that can claim more that.

- Tom Osbourne
- Howard Schnellenberger
- Bobby Bowden

There are a few off of the top of my head. Damn near every program has some coach that lifted them to relevency, but most of the time, that coach lifts them higher than division title. As I said, no disrespect to Snyder, he is a fantastic coach. But to act like he has built some tradition that is better than schools that have actually won real championships is silly.

Good try ..but Dr.Tom Osborne (this is how you spell his name btw) took over from Bob Devaney who had already brought Nebraska football back and won MNCs, so Osborne did not build the program he just continued it. It is also widely felt that KSU was the worst team EVER prior to Snyder (see the link below) and again he has built the program TWICE. Your other coaching examples don't even come close to Snyder in this regard. Also KSU does have tradition under him and are building more, but have not yet gotten to the artificial standard that YOU have created to determine if a school has tradition. Finally, why don't you focus on OU and ND the game at hand because you clearly know nothing about the Big 12. Again best regards and have a good game on saturday...Boomer Sooner

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Bill Snyder is one of the great coaches of the modern era. I'd agree to that statement.
 

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Herbstreit said that for Notre Dame to win the offense is going to have to play at a level that it hasn't played at all year against an improving Oklahoma defense.

I think that sums it up pretty well.
 

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Good try ..but Dr.Tom Osborne (this is how you spell his name btw) took over from Bob Devaney who had already brought Nebraska football back and won MNCs, so Osborne did not build the program he just continued it. It is also widely felt that KSU was the worst team EVER prior to Snyder (see the link below) and again he has built the program TWICE. Your other coaching examples don't even come close to Snyder in this regard. Also KSU does have tradition under him and are building more, but have not yet gotten to the artificial standard that YOU have created to determine if a school has tradition. Finally, why don't you focus on OU and ND the game at hand because you clearly know nothing about the Big 12. Again best regards and have a good game on saturday...Boomer Sooner

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I think Schnellenberger is a good comparison actually.
 

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Good try ..but Dr.Tom Osborne (this is how you spell his name btw) took over from Bob Devaney who had already brought Nebraska football back and won MNCs, so Osborne did not build the program he just continued it. It is also widely felt that KSU was the worst team EVER prior to Snyder (see the link below) and again he has built the program TWICE. Your other coaching examples don't even come close to Snyder in this regard. Also KSU does have tradition under him and are building more, but have not yet gotten to the artificial standard that YOU have created to determine if a school has tradition. Finally, why don't you focus on OU and ND the game at hand because you clearly know nothing about the Big 12. Again best regards and have a good game on saturday...Boomer Sooner

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They were off the top of my head, d!ckhead. Furthermore, that "artificial standard" you are talking about is the main thing that every team in the country strives for. NATIONAL TITLES. Again, I never said that he wasn't a fantastic coach. I'm telling you that he isn't "one of the best coaches of all time" and more to the original post, has not "built more tradition" than a team like CU.

Finally, get bent Sooner. If you don't like what we say on here, then get the hell out of here. Last time I checked, no one invited you here in the first place.
 

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I thought we play OU this week...

I have predicted the Irish to win every week thus far (though not at the beginning of the season!)

Im not so sure this week. It will definitely be our toughest test. I think we lose, but it will be a good game and probably come down to Golson and turnovers / Jones and our DL (and turnovers).

Not that that (haha) is earth breaking, but I think it is true.
 

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**** Kansas State and Bill Snyder... Wreck 'Em Tech.

But why are we (you) arguing about Kansas State? Irrelevant for the most part, especially during OU-ND week.
 

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**** Kansas State and Bill Snyder... Wreck 'Em Tech.

But why are we (you) arguing about Kansas State? Irrelevant for the most part, especially during OU-ND week.

I think that is something that we all can agree on.
 

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OUMallen recommended LandThieves.com. It was decent. But really still sounded like a bunch of Miami fans not talking football and just talking about how bad they are going to stomp us.

There isn't much "content" football talk going on there right now. People are more interested in the "Stripe the Stadium" thread that is now on post #467. Yes, seriously. *facepalm*

It's usually a pretty funny place. There is a gameday sign thread that has a few gems--although ND fans might be slightly offended by it. I think LandThieves tries to emulate ShaggyBevo, but with fewer penis jokes.
 

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Herbstreit said that for Notre Dame to win the offense is going to have to play at a level that it hasn't played at all year against an improving Oklahoma defense.

I think that sums it up pretty well.

i agree, I think when OU gets to 17 or 21 ND is like finished unless the weather or massive turnovers occur.
 
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**** Kansas State and Bill Snyder... Wreck 'Em Tech.

But why are we (you) arguing about Kansas State? Irrelevant for the most part, especially during OU-ND week.

LOL - how many of you were saying ND is irrelevant like 4 weeks ago. Everyone of you probably read Riley's article and said yea, why does anyone care about ND, they suck. Yet here are a million OU fans hyping up this game. If you're going to win by a landslide why are you in here talking about the game? We suck remember? KState doesn't seem to be irrelevant to me. Seems like they could win the BIG12.

.. sorry that rant is off topic. Relevancy hits a nerve around here.
 

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i prefer soonerfans.com but soonertimes.com is very well thought about by the people there really not near as much trash talking and very bright people there. plus it has a way lower number of people posting which helps for intelligent conversation

Checked out soonertimes.com today after class. There was some really good discussion on there. Thanks for the tip. LandTheives.com just seemed like a ton of trash talk nonsense with a few good posts imixed in.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have been unable to do sh*t this week so far. I cannot wait for Saturday.
 

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I like having fans from opposing teams on the board, it's good for discussion...as long as it's just discussion and not pissing contests. That being said, OU fans are classier than most as both sides got to see about 12 years ago.

On the other hand, I don't care much for USC or Michigan fans, they can stay...well...wherever they come from.
 

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i agree, I think when OU gets to 17 or 21 ND is like finished unless the weather or massive turnovers occur.

I don't know. I think if OU scores 17 to 21, I like ND's chances quite a bit. Your defense isn't that good.
We're going to have to put some points on the board, for sure, and probably play our best offensive game of the season so far. But our running game has steadily gotten better all year, and at some point Golson's gonna click. If we go down early, we're in trouble, and we probably don't win a shootout. But a game in the high teens/low to mid 20s is a tossup.
 
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