Now that Lynch is gone, time for some reflection

[GBdomer]

First of all we wont ever get Saban unless he is that desperate for a challenge. I'm talking about our Saban. Notice also I said "at least 8 wins" that means that yes, I would be ok with taking BK for 7 total years total if we got 4 total 8-win seasons (counting the last two), 1 or 2 9-win seasons and 1 or 2 10-win seasons. I know that this isn't a NC, but those records would put us pretty consistently in the top 25. I'm also aware that we should always strive for excellence, but my question is this: If BK fails, what rising coach in his right mind is going to take this job? BK was a golden boy, a proven winner, an unbelievable speaker with a politician-like grasp of the media, and a reputation for making something out of nothing. He took Cincinnati to a BCS game for god sakes.

Sorry man. I miss read what you wrote.

 

[greyhammer90]

Wooly I see where you are coming from but i mean come on man whats improved so far? Not bashing Kelly at all I stand by him. And i dont want to known as a recruiting junkie i like to talk some football too. Maybe i should of kept my mouth shut on this topic. I am not crying about Aaron Lynch never once have i come on here to bash a kid who de committed. All i am saying is its time to get going and i am not sure if we are going right now.

Your posts don't have the same structure or grammar quality that they usually do...




You're drinking again aren't you?

 

[Ndaccountant]

I want BK to be our coach, but to play on your hypothetical, I'll take a guy who's name rhymes with Skid Holes.

Edit: I can't think of anything that rhymes with Skip Holtz.

Hip Volts?

 

[GBdomer]

Your posts don't have the same structure or grammar quality that they usually do...




You're drinking again aren't you?

do they ever?

 

[koonja]

Hip Volts?

Haha, you win.

 

[greyhammer90]

Better than this morning. I was going to rep you if said yes. First of all because whiskey before lunch on a Friday morning = Boss. Secondly because if that's the case then I understand your feelings about ND in general. There's a reason I try not to talk football when I drink, and it's not because of all games ND wins.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Better than this morning. I was going to rep you if said yes. First of all because whiskey before lunch on a Friday morning = Boss. Secondly because if that's the case then I understand your feelings about ND in general. There's a reason I try not to talk football when I drink, and it's not because of all games ND wins.

Likewise, there is a very good reason why I drink while I watch ND.

 

[GBdomer]

Better than this morning. I was going to rep you if said yes. First of all because whiskey before lunch on a Friday morning = Boss. Secondly because if that's the case then I understand your feelings about ND in general. There's a reason I try not to talk football when I drink, and it's not because of all games ND wins.

I know you mean. I am not done talking about this topic and I said what I wanted to say. Happy Friday the 13th urbody.

 

[woolybug25]

Wooly I see where you are coming from but i mean come on man whats improved so far? And I enjoy how you challenge posters. Not bashing Kelly at all I stand by him. And i dont want to known as a recruiting junkie i like to talk some football too. Maybe i should of kept my mouth shut on this topic. I am not crying about Aaron Lynch never once have i come on here to bash a kid who de committed. All i am saying is its time to get going and i am not sure if we are going right now.

What I don't get is how you could look at how he has recruited front 7 players, changed philosophies within admissions, added things like training tables and is in the middle of changing the "entitlement attitude" of the program and say that you have seen no progress.

Despite our heir apparent QB turning into a deer in headlights, having to play with a young Tommy in his place and a myriad of injuries and decommits/transfers, I feel that he still has us on an upward mobility. Ask yourself, if Charlie would have been the coach, how would the last two seasons went? Would Charlie have been able to do what Kelly did and rebound to win the last three games of the season (including USC), like Kelly did in his first season?

Kelly is a fighter, and he will either excel or fail giving Notre Dame everything he has. So I think we should be at least reasonable enough to not assume that there is no improvement in year three before year three even starts.

This is football. I get that spring ball, recrtuiting, etc is all fun. But it is secondary to what is actually done on the field. So calling year three a year of no improvement based on recruiting struggles and a transfer is asinine. Let them play some games before you throw the towel in on them.

 

[woolybug25]

thanks mom

You're welcome, child...

 

[greyhammer90]

You're welcome, child...

 

[Buster Bluth]

Wooly I see where you are coming from but i mean come on man whats improved so far?

On this team? Literally everything except quarterback play. Everything.

Can you name one thing Weis did better other than the passing game? And even that Kelly has shown flashes of brilliance, only for his quarterbacks to let him down.

The guy has won everywhere. He will win at Notre Dame if he is given the proper amount of support.

 

[Irishman77]

we had to practically put roofies in these kids water to get them to come to Notre Dame. If we can ever win 10 games in a year we will have some leverage with these kids. They did not want to be here in the first place. Elite talent are swarmed by everyone and given everything. They can have what they want when they want it. Kelly and staff were extremely persuasive to land these guys without winning.

We are finally getting down to business and sorting out the mentally weak and becoming Kelly's team. I just hope we win 10 games this year or it could all be over before it gets started. I support Kelly and the only thing that would change that is if Rees ever takes another snap.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm with Wooly, the only things that seemingly haven't changed since BK got here are the underwhelming win totals and the field being made of grass

 

[Irish Fam]

GB-

Why the hell do you have that terrible teams logo under your username? (USC)

 

[ChiRish]

Sucks to lose a player of Aaron's quality. He's a stud and that will impact our defense.

But I don't see how that's Kelly's fault. On the contrary, isn't the fact that he signed here to begin with after the drama with FSU indicative of Kelly's ability? Weis wouldn't have even went back after Lynch when he decommitted. Kelly brought the ND Train.

I honestly do think things will get turned around. We can't look at what Saban did because really, he does everything in an unethical atmosphere where the entire administration is geared towards football. They don't have to worry about the things we do, but that is what makes ND special.

Let's see what happens this year. If it takes longer here, so be it. As long as it happens.

 

[Grahambo]

Overcoming 15-20 years of incompetence is difficult. Year 3 is important but Lynch was not going to make or break this season. A stud? No question. Difference between NC or not? No. The D-line is capable of overcoming his loss. QB play is hands down the most important issue by leaps and bounds.

 

[Irish Fam]

The very last thing that we need to do is put our coach on the hot seat. freak out after a loss to a superior and more established program. then fire bk, hire a new coach, rebuild for 4 years and then do it again after he underwhelms before molding the program.

Some people on here need to get a grip of themselves. We were 3-4 plays away from being a top 10 team this past year. Lynch is a hell of a player, and will be wherever he goes. But the program isn't falling apart. This is ND. We will survive.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Sucks to lose a player of Aaron's quality. He's a stud and that will impact our defense.

But I don't see how that's Kelly's fault. On the contrary, isn't the fact that he signed here to begin with after the drama with FSU indicative of Kelly's ability? Weis wouldn't have even went back after Lynch when he decommitted. Kelly brought the ND Train.

I honestly do think things will get turned around. We can't look at what Saban did because really, he does everything in an unethical atmosphere where the entire administration is geared towards football. They don't have to worry about the things we do, but that is what makes ND special.

Let's see what happens this year. If it takes longer here, so be it. As long as it happens.

That's a fair point.

People also need to stop acting like this sorta thing never, ever happens. It does.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Seriously, what the hell is going on at Notre Dame? Is this Kelly, Notre Dame? Why were these problems not there with Weis? I don't get it...we have fallen so far behind everyone, even in the Midwest. I am at a loss for words.

 

[woolybug25]

GB-

Why the hell do you have that terrible teams logo under your username? (USC)

X2

 

[RubberSoul]

We will be ok.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Seriously, what the hell is going on at Notre Dame? Is this Kelly, Notre Dame? Why were these problems not there with Weis? I don't get it...we have fallen so far behind everyone, even in the Midwest. I am at a loss for words.

Do you live in a different world?

Weis was annually pillaged by other schools in recruiting, and I had his fair share of transfers.

You should follow other teams too, so you realize that this isn't a strange anomaly.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Do you live in a different world?

Weis was annually pillaged by other schools in recruiting, and I had his fair share of transfers.

You should follow other teams too, so you realize that this isn't a strange anomaly.

Not an anomaly? So every school in the country has lost top talent with such frequency as ND has in the last year? From recruits to on campus athletes, these defections are noted at a high rate. Sorry, I don't see this happening as often at Bama or LSU (save Gunner).

All I am saying is that there has to be an underlying cause to this...without understanding that, the problem is going to persist into the future.

 

[IrishFrog]

After watching the presser, I am even more convinced that BK is the coach that can and will continue to return the program to glory. Obviously ND coaching job isn't the "cake walk", as some would put it, that Bama and these current dominating programs are. Win games and we could easily fix that. The way I look at it is would I rather be an Arkansas fan right now or an ND fan. We lost a DE that could be an all American next year or could just as easily blow out a knee. We have a coach that is a perfect fit for ND. We have the talent to win without a doubt. It's not about individual talent, it's about the talent level of 11 guys at once.

 

[JT_IRISH]

A coach can only do so much. I have been behind BK 100% and will continue to be, but if you don't have the players to match what is lined up across from you.. You are destined for failure!!! USC, UM, Stanford are all killing it on recruiting right now. We are losing players left and right. I don't like where this is headed...

 

[IrishFrog]

USC, Stan, and UM have all been winning

 

[ND55]

What I don't get is how you could look at how he has recruited front 7 players, changed philosophies within admissions, added things like training tables and is in the middle of changing the "entitlement attitude" of the program and say that you have seen no progress.

Despite our heir apparent QB turning into a deer in headlights, having to play with a young Tommy in his place and a myriad of injuries and decommits/transfers, I feel that he still has us on an upward mobility. Ask yourself, if Charlie would have been the coach, how would the last two seasons went? Would Charlie have been able to do what Kelly did and rebound to win the last three games of the season (including USC), like Kelly did in his first season?

Kelly is a fighter, and he will either excel or fail giving Notre Dame everything he has. So I think we should be at least reasonable enough to not assume that there is no improvement in year three before year three even starts.

This is football. I get that spring ball, recrtuiting, etc is all fun. But it is secondary to what is actually done on the field. So calling year three a year of no improvement based on recruiting struggles and a transfer is asinine. Let them play some games before you throw the towel in on them.

POST OF THE DAY for me. Sorry GB I love your posts most of the time but I'm with Wooly here. Kelly has made some dumb mistakes no doubt but to go off on him because an emotional talented teenage player changes his mind is madness.

As has been noted before ND is not like Bama or the other SEC schools, and has many more challenges to overcome to turn the program around. With Weiss I felt like we had a team, it seems that what Kelly has done is start to build a PROGRAM. To look at how he has been able to align admissions, Res Life, and the rest of the bureaucracy at ND in a direction that works towards a successful program is astounding (with Swarbricks help no doubt). I know BK's made mistakes but he's been mercurial in getting some change around here that wasn't thought possible during the earlier regimes, and he does seem to learn from his mistakes.

 

[Ndaccountant]

POST OF THE DAY for me. Sorry GB I love your posts most of the time but I'm with Wooly here. Kelly has made some dumb mistakes no doubt but to go off on him because an emotional talented teenage player changes his mind is madness.

As has been noted before ND is not like Bama or the other SEC schools, and has many more challenges to overcome to turn the program around. With Weiss I felt like we had a team, it seems that what Kelly has done is start to build a PROGRAM. To look at how he has been able to align admissions, Res Life, and the rest of the bureaucracy at ND in a direction that works towards a successful program is astounding (with Swarbricks help no doubt). I know BK's made mistakes but he's been mercurial in getting some change around here that wasn't thought possible during the earlier regimes, and he does seem to learn from his mistakes.

I agree, but at some point, it has to translate to on the field success. To GB's point, it hasn't yet. But to Wooly's point, we still have 2012 to judge.

 

[IrishinTN]

I don't see this happening as often at Bama or LSU (save Gunner).

That's because those kids are too busy getting arrested or kicked off for academic reasons.