buckeye fan, tressell fine, & Sullivan findings

[Ben E.]

unreal, i have heard and read several buckeye fans make statements such as," if you lie about selling memorbelia you get a $250,000 fine, if you are responsible for a student staff member wrongfull death you get a $77,500 fine. I guess I just don't get it."


if there was any doubt that buckeye fan is classless...

 

[phork]

Tressel should have been fired. Tragic accidents in no way aid student athletes.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I like Tressel personally and hope he makes the best of his second chance.

 

[ThePiombino]

I like Tressel personally and hope he makes the best of his second chance.

It starts with taking responsibility for his (lack of) actions.

 

[Ben E.]

Tressel should have been fired. Tragic accidents in no way aid student athletes.

i really dont care either way about tressell, the problem i have is buckeye fanboy trying to make him a victim compared to kelly/the sullivan tragedy.

 

[Rhode Irish]

i really dont care either way about tressell, the problem i have is buckeye fanboy trying to make him a victim compared to kelly/the sullivan tragedy.

I agree with this. I have an issue with the narrative of the Sullivan story in the national media. It is a tragedy. The story should be about Sullivan, his life, and his tragic passing. Instead, it has been about how to best rake Notre Dame over the coals. While certain individuals involved with the situation may shoulder some blame for what happened, in a general sense the Sullivan tragedy happened to Notre Dame.

As far as the Tressel thing, I think the fact that what his players did violated a rule is an absolute joke, so by extension I think the fact that what he did violated a rule is an absolute joke, too. I understand the problem with lying to the NCAA or deliberately covering up a known violation, but because I think the rule that was violated is outright wrong I have a hard time getting bent out of shape about it.

The NCAA should be worrying about serious cheating that impacts the integrity of the sport - parents getting jobs, high school coaches getting bags of money, etc. - not crap like this where a college athlete is not free to act like any other person on the planet by selling some stuff he has but doesn't want so he can get some stuff he wants but doesn't have.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

The NCAA should be worrying about serious cheating that impacts the integrity of the sport - parents getting jobs, high school coaches getting bags of money, etc. - not crap like this where a college athlete is not free to act like any other person on the planet by selling some stuff he has but doesn't want so he can get some stuff he wants but doesn't have.

There are many opinions about whether or not this kind of activity (selling memorabilia) is really cheating, but as long as the NCAA deems it so, it should be handled accordingly. These guys knew it was a NCAA violation, and chose to do it anyway. As a result, they need to be disciplined, much the same way Tressel knew that covering up and lying was in violation of NCAA regs and a fireable offense according to the terms of his contract. As a result he should feel the weight of said penalties. You want to talk about a lack of institutional control, just listen to the Pres or AD (not sure which) when he said in the presser that he wouldn't think of firing Tressel, and only hopes Tressel doesn't consider firing him. He may be saying that a bit tongue in cheeck, but it's frightening to think he'd even think to say that. Talk about the criminals running the asylum.

 

[irishpat183]

I agree with this. I have an issue with the narrative of the Sullivan story in the national media. It is a tragedy. The story should be about Sullivan, his life, and his tragic passing. Instead, it has been about how to best rake Notre Dame over the coals. While certain individuals involved with the situation may shoulder some blame for what happened, in a general sense the Sullivan tragedy happened to Notre Dame.

As far as the Tressel thing, I think the fact that what his players did violated a rule is an absolute joke, so by extension I think the fact that what he did violated a rule is an absolute joke, too. I understand the problem with lying to the NCAA or deliberately covering up a known violation, but because I think the rule that was violated is outright wrong I have a hard time getting bent out of shape about it.
The NCAA should be worrying about serious cheating that impacts the integrity of the sport - parents getting jobs, high school coaches getting bags of money, etc. - not crap like this where a college athlete is not free to act like any other person on the planet by selling some stuff he has but doesn't want so he can get some stuff he wants but doesn't have.

A rule is a rule. I think alot of rules are wrong, but still gotta follow them (and tressel lied to the NCAA, which is just unacceptable). Besides, if this wasn't a rule, schools would just flood the kids with "Stuff" so they could sell it and make money. Techinically the school isn't "paying them" but just giving them stuff and turning a blind eye. Can't have that.

College players should not be paid. They are getting an education. If they don't choose to use it, whose fault is that? Besides, they're getting exposure to the NFL. Which can lead to a huge payday.

 

[IrishLax]

You can't let athletes sell memorabilia. If that were the case, schools could give them diamond rings or gold pendants as "memorabilia" for every-day wins that would have significant resale value and serve as defacto payments.

It's a very obvious and slippery slope. The rule exists for a reason even if many people don't see it at first glance.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I get the slippery slope involved. I think this is a stupid rule. If you want to put a limit on the amount of stuff a school can give a player, fine. But once a thing is given to a player then its his and he should be able to do what he wants with it. The NCAA makes so many rules that are intended to eliminate clever ways to cheat that they end up screwing the kids. And considering the NCAA makes a fortune off of the kids, I think it is ludicrous that not only are athletes not given a stipend, they're not even allowed to work or make some money by selling their gear to lunatic fanboys.

 

[IrishLax]

They're not allowed to work? What? Maybe I'm ignorant, but where is that rule? I know plenty of athletes who worked....

Everyone is entitled to their opinion... but if you let athletes sell stuff schools could just give them an unlimited supply of jerseys with their number, let them resell them for $20 a piece, everyone would buy them and you have de-facto pay-for-play. So to combat that you'd have to have what? Limits on how many jerseys they can give them? How many foam #1 fingers they can resell? How many school tshirts? How many gold-plated commemorative coins?

You'd be replacing one rule you deem "silly" with an infinite number on unenforceable rules that will allow universities to pay players with memorabilia.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

A rule is a rule. I think alot of rules are wrong, but still gotta follow them (and tressel lied to the NCAA, which is just unacceptable). Besides, if this wasn't a rule, schools would just flood the kids with "Stuff" so they could sell it and make money. Techinically the school isn't "paying them" but just giving them stuff and turning a blind eye. Can't have that.

College players should not be paid. They are getting an education. If they don't choose to use it, whose fault is that? Besides, they're getting exposure to the NFL. Which can lead to a huge payday.

Precisely. What does a 4 year tuition at ND run these days? Let's stop with the poor exploited athletes crap. If a student athlete can't see that they can get as much out of the scholarship as the school can that awarded it to them, then maybe they didn't deserve it in the first place.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Precisely. What does a 4 year tuition at ND run these days? Let's stop with the poor exploited athletes crap. If a student athlete can't see that they can get as much out of the scholarship as the school can that awarded it to them, then maybe they didn't deserve it in the first place.

There are many opinions about whether or not this kind of activity (selling memorabilia) is really cheating, but as long as the NCAA deems it so, it should be handled accordingly. These guys knew it was a NCAA violation, and chose to do it anyway. As a result, they need to be disciplined, much the same way Tressel knew that covering up and lying was in violation of NCAA regs and a fireable offense according to the terms of his contract. As a result he should feel the weight of said penalties. You want to talk about a lack of institutional control, just listen to the Pres or AD (not sure which) when he said in the presser that he wouldn't think of firing Tressel, and only hopes Tressel doesn't consider firing him. He may be saying that a bit tongue in cheeck, but it's frightening to think he'd even think to say that. Talk about the criminals running the asylum.

I've got almost nothing to add to these two statements. They hit the nail on the head, especially the sentence I bolded up. If the rules are stupid (and they might be) then lets discus that. But that was never something for Terrell Pryor or Jim Tressel to decide, they knowingly violated the rules, they deserve to be punished accordingly.

As for working while an NCAA athlete, I do believe there is some cap to how much money you can make, and you do have to actually do work that's not directly related to your status as an athlete (I don't think a car dealership, for example, could hire a student athlete as a spokesperson).

 

[BGIF]

I get the slippery slope involved. I think this is a stupid rule. If you want to put a limit on the amount of stuff a school can give a player, fine. But once a thing is given to a player then its his and he should be able to do what he wants with it. The NCAA makes so many rules that are intended to eliminate clever ways to cheat that they end up screwing the kids. And considering the NCAA makes a fortune off of the kids, I think it is ludicrous that not only are athletes not given a stipend, they're not even allowed to work or make some money by selling their gear to lunatic fanboys.

Whether you think the rule is stupid is irrelevant. Similar to the BYU basketball player, they knew their obligations and ignored them. There were over 2000 Division 1 players who could have sold their jerseys last season. Some 1200 of them got bowl stuff they could have sold for "extra" money. They didn't.

Five guys bartered souvenirs for tattoos with a value comparable to the tires some Bama players got penalized a couple of years ago. Tattoos also comparable to the sneakers, Free Shoe U got nailed over. Bama got nailed recently for athletes in a number of sports letting others buy textbooks from their scholarship account. I'm sure they all felt the rules were stupid and should't apply to them. Why should the rules have applied to the SMU players who took $50 and $100 handshakes?

The players did their deed and paid a price. Tressel broke multiple rules by failing to report, making false statements, and knowingly playing ineligible players. OSU should be required to forfeit not vacate the games those players participated in and they should forfeit their BCS $$$ they cheated to get. President Gee incredibly underscored "The Lack of Institutional Control" when he commented at the press conference that he was afraid the coach would fire him.

 

[Ben E.]

Whether you think the rule is stupid is irrelevant. Similar to the BYU basketball player, they knew their obligations and ignored them. There were over 2000 Division 1 players who could have sold their jerseys last season. Some 1200 of them got bowl stuff they could have sold for "extra" money. They didn't.

Five guys bartered souvenirs for tattoos with a value comparable to the tires some Bama players got penalized a couple of years ago. Tattoos also comparable to the sneakers, Free Shoe U got nailed over. Bama got nailed recently for athletes in a number of sports letting others buy textbooks from their scholarship account. I'm sure they all felt the rules were stupid and should't apply to them. Why should the rules have applied to the SMU players who took $50 and $100 handshakes?

The players did their deed and paid a price. Tressel broke multiple rules by failing to report, making false statements, and knowingly playing ineligible players. OSU should be required to forfeit not vacate the games those players participated in and they should forfeit their BCS $$$ they cheated to get. President Gee incredibly underscored "The Lack of Institutional Control" when he commented at the press conference that he was afraid the coach would fire him.

+1

 

[Irish Insanity]

Two situations that couldn't be further apart. To me the only similarities are they both resulted in a fine and thats about it. Comparing the two is just thier way of minimizing and justifying their coaches actions. Along time ago I grew out of the "if he gets to why don't I," or "why did I have to do it and he doesn't"

 

[delt1147]

I like Tressel personally and hope he makes the best of his second chance.

So you like the person he really is or the person he has tricked people into thinking he is. If you look at this he has donw this before. This is not a first time. Tressel is a fraud no.matter how good he is at public relations. I have met him many times. But it was in his environment. This guy is the definition of a con man. And he had us all fogetting what he did at YSU. Now this situation looks too familiar.

 

[NDOM]

unreal, i have heard and read several buckeye fans make statements such as," if you lie about selling memorbelia you get a $250,000 fine, if you are responsible for a student staff member wrongfull death you get a $77,500 fine. I guess I just don't get it."


if there was any doubt that buckeye fan is classless...

Well first off, The Ncaa has not fined the University of Notre Dame. Its was an IOSHA fine I believe and the Ncaa had nothing to do with it from what I know. The Ncaa on the otherhand did fine tressel because that was an Ncaa issue. The two stories are apples and oranges.

and secondly, who really gives a rats arse what a buckeye fan thinks about us or the university??? I get where yur coming from bro.

 

[jason_h537]

Who cares what some buckeye fan says.

 

[Ben E.]

Who cares what some buckeye fan says.

youre right, but living in ohio i get bombarded with their stupidity daily...

 

[irishtrain]

It starts with taking responsibility for his (lack of) actions.

Ohio people are blindly crazy toward Tressel. Take their comments with a grain of salt and know the Sullivan family will be cared for properly by Notre Dame. Jim Tressel did wrong-plain and simple-live with it and do better. Understand why it happened because of the pressure you Mr Buckeye fan put on your football team to win at all cost. Try considering about whats important- a college education and life experience teachings to your football team student athletes.