Nov 5 | Clemson

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Clemson opens as 4 point favorite.

Honestly, has anyone in Vegas watched Pyne play?

This is going to be at least a 3 score loss.
 
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Never. Not even close. I think he is by far the least talented player that I've seen start for ND from the Weis period onward.
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The plays where he has 15 seconds to throw and ends up spiking it into the ground or getting sacked are hard to watch. However it’s going to be even harder to watch what happens when he doesn’t have 15 seconds to throw….
 
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Can you imagine? It’ll be interesting to see how the refs officiate this game. Dabo owns these refs.
 
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The elephant in the room is the home field disadvantage. The team that led Ohio State at half, best BYU, UNC, and Syracuse would not have lost to Marshall and Stanford on the road. Something is glaringly wrong with home Gameday preparation. Whether it’s specific home game prep, too many distractions, or freaking room beds, something has to change. The definition of insanity…
 
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Ray “The Mule” Finkle said:
The elephant in the room is the home field disadvantage. The team that led Ohio State at half, best BYU, UNC, and Syracuse would not have lost to Marshall and Stanford on the road. Something is glaringly wrong with home Gameday preparation. Whether it’s specific home game prep, too many distractions, or freaking room beds, something has to change. The definition of insanity…
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I think it's less to do with home field and more to do with the fact that this team plays up/down to the competition.

Played relatively well against Ohio State, UNC, Syracuse and BYU. Those are the 4 best teams they've played.

Played like crap against Marshall, Cal, Stanford and UNLV. Those are the 4 worst teams they've played.
 
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Ray “The Mule” Finkle said:
The elephant in the room is the home field disadvantage. The team that led Ohio State at half, best BYU, UNC, and Syracuse would not have lost to Marshall and Stanford on the road. Something is glaringly wrong with home Gameday preparation. Whether it’s specific home game prep, too many distractions, or freaking room beds, something has to change. The definition of insanity…
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Agree it's weird. But also Clemson is not Marshall/Stanford/UNLV. If we can't get locked in mentally for Clemson...
 
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Crazy Balki said:
I think it's less to do with home field and more to do with the fact that this team plays up/down to the competition.

Played relatively well against Ohio State, UNC, Syracuse and BYU. Those are the 4 best teams they've played.

Played like crap against Marshall, Cal, Stanford and UNLV. Those are the 4 worst teams they've played.
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I think they went into Marshall reading their pre-season hype, feeling good about their performance vs OSU, saw the point spread, knew they’ve TCB vs teams like Marshall in the past & thought they could just show up. Then all hell broke loose. Did they think they had it all figured out after UNC & BYU and looked at the spread again thinking they could sleepwalk through Stanford and still win? I don’t know but that’s the game where Pyne seemed to lose his touch & maybe he panicked when it dawned on him that they could lose. I think he’s been in his own head ever since. If not & he’s truly that bad, he has no business playing QB at the P5 level.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
I think they went into Marshall reading their pre-season hype, feeling good about their performance vs OSU, saw the point spread, knew they’ve TCB vs teams like Marshall in the past & thought they could just show up. Then all hell broke loose. Did they think they had it all figured out after UNC & BYU and looked at the spread again thinking they could sleepwalk through Stanford and still win? I don’t know but that’s the game where Pyne seemed to lose his touch & maybe he panicked when it dawned on him that they could lose. I think he’s been in his own head ever since. If not & he’s truly that bad, he has no business playing QB at the P5 level.
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The most likely reason for his downward trend is teams got tape on him. He completes about 50% of his passes generally. When teams drop 8, he completes like 10%.

He just doesn’t have the physical tools to sit in the pocket and make throws. Hopefully they can figure something out for this week. Move the pocket more or something, I dunno. I just know Clemson will feast on him if he is forced to throw like 30 times from the pocket.
 
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The most likely reason for his downward trend is teams got tape on him. He completes about 50% of his passes generally. When teams drop 8, he completes like 10%.

He just doesn’t have the physical tools to sit in the pocket and make throws. Hopefully they can figure something out for this week. Move the pocket more or something, I dunno. I just know Clemson will feast on him if he is forced to throw like 30 times from the pocket.
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Then he should run. He's not immobile. That play Saturday where he got flushed out of the pocket, ran along the line of scrimmage, and stopped to try and throw but got sacked from behind was painful to watch (and probably even more painful for Drew). But if he just takes the lane and runs upfield he probably gets close to a first down.

But to your point, yes. Stanford was the first team to load the box against the run and double Mayer, basically daring Pyne to beat them to the outside receivers. He just can't. And so our offense is stuck in first gear.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
I think they went into Marshall reading their pre-season hype, feeling good about their performance vs OSU, saw the point spread, knew they’ve TCB vs teams like Marshall in the past & thought they could just show up. Then all hell broke loose. Did they think they had it all figured out after UNC & BYU and looked at the spread again thinking they could sleepwalk through Stanford and still win? I don’t know but that’s the game where Pyne seemed to lose his touch & maybe he panicked when it dawned on him that they could lose. I think he’s been in his own head ever since. If not & he’s truly that bad, he has no business playing QB at the P5 level.
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I think you're right. He's not as confident as he was before.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
If they want to they will. ND is the most passive stadium in P5
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I'll say second most.
 
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I was pretty shocked to see the line open at -4.0/-3.5, as I agree with others I think points for ND are going to be at a premium. Not loving the prospects of ND moving the ball on the ground against their elite DL, which means Rees is going to have to dial up some shots with Drew Pyne. Mayer is going to be blanketed all evening so the WR core needs to step up.

Nothing that I just typed instills confidence in me. Not to mention our dreadful performances at home, I'll be putting some money on Clemson and praying that I'm wrong. I'll donate $20+ to an Irish victory, lol
 
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GrangerIrish24 said:
Fuck it. This will go down as the Drew Pyne game. 400+ yards passing, 5 passing tds and one rushing td.
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Something in this neighborhood is the only way they win. Pyne can't simply be competent, he needs to be a playmaker, and that's a scary proposition. 300+, 2-3 scores type of game. If they take away Mayer, which they'll have the ability to do, how does he get there? Colzie? Styles awakes from his slumber? Does Tobias suddenly learn the whole playbook?

It would be something if Rees decides to dial up a downfield shot early and they connect; would be great to instill some confidence in Pyne and soften the Clemson box. Fingers crossed..
 
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Look at Clemson's results to this point. They've battered some bad teams and anyone halfway decent has played them tough.
 
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Some Irish Bloke said:
I was pretty shocked to see the line open at -4.0/-3.5, as I agree with others I think points for ND are going to be at a premium. Not loving the prospects of ND moving the ball on the ground against their elite DL, which means Rees is going to have to dial up some shots with Drew Pyne. Mayer is going to be blanketed all evening so the WR core needs to step up.

Nothing that I just typed instills confidence in me. Not to mention our dreadful performances at home, I'll be putting some money on Clemson and praying that I'm wrong. I'll donate $20+ to an Irish victory, lol
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The total is only 47.5 so points in general will probably be at a premium, which makes the spread of 3.5 make more sense.
 
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