Nov 4 | Clemson

[stlnd01]

Penn State will lose again to Michigan. LSU may lose to Bama.

Yeah I don't see Penn State scoring 10 points against Michigan. At which point they'd have very little to hang their hat on. We also fared better than they did against Ohio State.

 

[Lberry]

Dabo’s past comments regarding how it’s unfair Notre Dame isn’t in a conference did not make him well-liked by some fans. Also, ND has lost to Clemson in some big games which breeds resentment. Overall, I think he is certainly well-liked by a particular segment of ND fans (although not all) due to his stances on Black Lives Matter/Kaepernick and Covid. Whether you like it or not, he voices his opinion. Otherwise, saying he isn’t well-liked because of his views on NIL, Jesus, and his complimentary nature of ND is a non sequitur.

I've seen comments on here how he's a "fake christian", which ironically isn't a Christian thing to judge, let alone from a million miles away.

ND not being in a conference is BS from their perspective. ND gets to be half in half out, he's not wrong about that. Ironically, the evidence mounting it's not good for ND either. If that's the crux of why ppl don't like him though, that's petty IMO. I'd come up with a long list of HC's I don't like in front of Dabo.

 

[DillonHall]

I've seen comments on here how he's a "fake christian", which ironically isn't a Christian thing to judge, let alone from a million miles away.

ND not being in a conference is BS from their perspective. ND gets to be half in half out, he's not wrong about that. Ironically, the evidence mounting it's not good for ND either. If that's the crux of why ppl don't like him though, that's petty IMO. I'd come up with a long list of HC's I don't like in front of Dabo.

The fact is, if he went 8-4 every year and never won championships, nobody would care about Dabo. Some people just like to bring down successful people.

I have no idea what his BLM/COVID opinions are, nor do I care. I'd assume those views are about 50/50 across all Americans. Am I supposed to hate 50% of Americans just for some of their personal views?

 

[Lberry]

I never heard his covid/BLM views, but if he said Covid restrictions/mandates were BS and the same for BLM, IDK anyone with their head on straight who doesn't feel the same in hindsight.

It's fine, people can like/dislike whoever they want, it's just a weird bone to pick.

 

[stlnd01]

I think the real crux is that he coaches an opposing team that has embarrassed us multiple times in big games. Everything else is just to hide that fact. We are working to change the tide on him beating us, but he’s had our number for a while.

But also our two biggest wins of the last five years have come against Clemson. He's had our number when he had superior talent (in 2018 CFP game, for instance). That's probably not the case right now.

 

[irishandy]

Not only will this be Clemson's Super Bowl they will want revenge on us what we did to them last year.

I've always liked Dabo as a coach, he has his views on NIL and the transfer portal, seems to me like Clemson is not an NIL school and I respect that. He seems like an old fashion coach.

 

[arrowryan]

All I know is that if Marcus Freeman shared similar views on NIL/portal as Dabo, this board would be burning.

He’s stuck in his ways and it might get detrimental to his career.

 

[NDRock]

I liked Dabo when he was beating Alabama, other than that I don’t care for him. It’s almost entirely because he coaches a team that isn’t Notre Dame and has beaten us the majority of times we played them. I’m a simpleton that way.

 

[ColinKSU]

I’d be surprised if this was a night game

I’m desperate for one of these Notre Dame to start at noon.

 

[dublinirish]

CW network calling our name boys


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[PutuporShutup]

Let's not forget we were 5-3 going into the Clemson game last year (with losses to Stanford and Marshall). They might have the exact same record when we play in a couple weeks.

I hope we don't take them too lightly. This is still the toughest game left on the schedule (by far)

This…. It will be a very tough win unless OC gets figured out and wrs are healthy and improve

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Let's not forget we were 5-3 going into the Clemson game last year (with losses to Stanford and Marshall). They might have the exact same record when we play in a couple weeks.

I hope we don't take them too lightly. This is still the toughest game left on the schedule (by far)

Hell, I hope ND doesn’t take Pitt too lightly. Assuming everything is “fine” after the Southern Cal win (great as it was) is nuts after everything we’ve seen. MF has a higher ceiling than BK IMO but he also has a lower floor due to his lack of experience. He’s proven he can get ND up for the big games. Now he has the challenge of these next four which will assumed to be wins for ND by the media & fans.

 

[MacIrish75]

CW network calling our name boys


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Hopefully we’re on right after the One Tree Hill reruns.

 

[dublinirish]

Hopefully we’re on right after the One Tree Hill reruns.

Sophia Bush ultra lib would have the staunch ND and Clemson fanbases triggered


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[IrishLion]

All I know is that if Marcus Freeman shared similar views on NIL/portal as Dabo, this board would be burning.

He’s stuck in his ways and it might get detrimental to his career.

Might? I’d argue it already IS detrimental. We’re used to seeing Clemson reload ever since 2015, but his lack of transfer portal activity is keeping them from doing so right now.

That, and hamstringing his own OC, being too stubborn to let the guy do his job (if you believe Clemson fans).

 

[SDIrishFan]

Sophia Bush ultra lib would have the staunch ND and Clemson fanbases triggered


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Had such a crush on her in the OTH days!

 

[notredomer23]

I’m desperate for one of these Notre Dame to start at noon.

9:30 AM in 2012 was an elite kickoff time. More of those would be great for my nerves

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This years Clemson team is unhealthy and just plain not playing well. Klubnik is going to be good but he doesn’t have the WRs this year and decision making is suspect. Our defense should eat them up. I feel like this Game could get out of hand. They just are not a good team rn.

Dabo said his teams Sports pyschologist is likely on suicide watch

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

All I know is that if Marcus Freeman shared similar views on NIL/portal as Dabo, this board would be burning.

He’s stuck in his ways and it might get detrimental to his career.

I’ve mentioned this before but one of the main reasons Dabo is so against NIL is simply their donor base is tiny relative to other playoff teams. It just is. They will never be able to pay the money for a team full of players and I think we are already seeing that play out. They haven’t landed those elite DEs and WRs the last two years like they had 2016-2020. Their QBs have been busts since TLaw. In general they have seen a true erosion of talent since NIL has gone full speed. It’s simply an NIL/economic issue for them.

Even their coaches had left and they haven’t been able to adequately replace them.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

9:30 AM in 2012 was an elite kickoff time. More of those would be great for my nerves

Best opener ever

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I’ve mentioned this before but one of the main reasons Dabo is so against NIL is simply their donor base is tiny relative to other playoff teams. It just is. They will never be able to pay the money for a team full of players and I think we are already seeing that play out. They haven’t landed those elite DEs and WRs the last two years like they had 2016-2020. Their QBs have been busts since TLaw. In general they have seen a true erosion of talent since NIL has gone full speed. It’s simply an NIL/economic issue for them.

Are all the boosters from the Danny Ford days dead? i can’t remember if they paid their best players or they were illiterate or both?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Are all the boosters from the Danny Ford days dead? i can’t remember if they paid their best players or they were illiterate or both?

Unfortunately for them IPTAY stands for “I pay $10 a year” under Dabo. Under Ford it stood for “Its Probation Time Again Yall.”

Their entire fund raises only $40 mil. From 23k donors. Pretty sure A&M bought a freshman OL class for around $35 mil

IPTAY | Clemson University | Supporting Clemson Student-Athletes Since 1934!

Supporting the success of Clemson’s student-athletes in the classroom and on the field since 1934. IPTAY is one of the most successful athletic fundraising organizations today.

iptaycuad.com

https://iptaycuad.com/app/uploads/2023/06/IPTAY_2023_BenefitsChart_6.1.23.pdf

They are pretty much dependent on local businesses as well any ad opportunities now. DJ Ung. Had a short stint on Dr Pepper ads until he imploded. Haven’t seen any other national brands telling Clemson players lately.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Alabama athletics hits revenue record, outpaces SEC peers

A full breakdown of Alabama athletics' financial recovery after the pandemic hit the bottom line a year ago.

www.al.com

Oregon brought in $400m last year. Bama and OSu over $200m. Clemson brought in like $133m with only a modest profit of $1m. They are like 3rd in the ACC in revenues.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Dabo Swinney says Cade Klubnik didn't run the play called on failed fourth down in Clemson's 2OT loss to Miami

Swinney said after the game the call was to hand it off, but Klubnik was sacked attempting a QB run

www.cbssports.com

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This schedule and last years signature win is just not what it was billed to be. Those two top ten wins at home are to this Clemson program. And, now 2 loss USC team that will could fall outside the top 25 of FEI’s ratings one week after us beating them. OSU continues to look like an extremely beatable contender. Nowhere near the elite status of years last. Duke loses big to a legitimate contender. And Louisville loses to fucking Pitt one week after they ended our playoff hopes.

Lucky did you watch the Duke vs FSU game? Duke was the better team for 3 quarters, until Riley Leonard went out. Duke was winning at half time and at the end of the 3rd quarter. Once Leonard went out midway through the third quarter the Duke offense couldn’t move the ball. They couldn’t even get a first down. Their defense just wore down due to being on the field to long. FSU’s really good offense broke the game open in 4th because of injury to Leonard. Duke would have been up 20-10 at halftime if their coverage team didn’t allow a 99 yard kickoff return.

Duke with Leonard is a good team. A top 20 team no doubt. And Dukes defense is salty.

As for FSU I don’t think they are great. I think Miami or Florida could pick them off. I also think Notre Dame would beat them 6 or 7 times out of 10.

 

[Crazy Balki]

This schedule and last years signature win is just not what it was billed to be. Those two top ten wins at home are to this Clemson program. And, now 2 loss USC team that will could fall outside the top 25 of FEI’s ratings one week after us beating them. OSU continues to look like an extremely beatable contender. Nowhere near the elite status of years last. Duke loses big to a legitimate contender. And Louisville loses to fucking Pitt one week after they ended our playoff hopes.

I've yet to see anything from any other unbeaten or 1-loss team to think they're better than Ohio State, outside of perhaps Georgia.

Michigan has played NOBODY that can even be remotely considered decent.
Penn State is much of the same.
Florida State has already had several near-escapes against lesser teams, namely Boston College, and needed Leonard to get hurt to escape that game with the win.
Texas and OU are looking really sus, and people are already sus of Alabama this year.
I think Washington and Oregon looked legit, but Washington needed some help to escape against a horrible ASU squad at home.

Everybody this year has looked extremely beatable (again, outside of maybe Georgia), which is why this is so frustrating.

 

[stlnd01]

I’ve mentioned this before but one of the main reasons Dabo is so against NIL is simply their donor base is tiny relative to other playoff teams. It just is. They will never be able to pay the money for a team full of players and I think we are already seeing that play out. They haven’t landed those elite DEs and WRs the last two years like they had 2016-2020. Their QBs have been busts since TLaw. In general they have seen a true erosion of talent since NIL has gone full speed. It’s simply an NIL/economic issue for them.

Even their coaches had left and they haven’t been able to adequately replace them.

That's an interesting point but why is their donor base so small? They have ~20,000 undergrads. Yes I guess that's fewer than huge schools like Ohio State and Alabama but it's also 2x what we have.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

That's an interesting point but why is their donor base so small? They have ~20,000 undergrads. Yes I guess that's fewer than huge schools like Ohio State and Alabama but it's also 2x what we have.

Look at the links I gave above. Last year their total donors to IPTAY was 22k-ish and only raised $40 mil that will be split up over several areas not specific to just football. They only made $1m in profit TOTAL

Truth is Clemson grads aren’t going out all over the nation. They stay in SC and most do not donate regularly or are they financially able to donate regularly. Most Clemson fans didn’t even attend the school

 

[Irish#1]

I’ve mentioned this before but one of the main reasons Dabo is so against NIL is simply their donor base is tiny relative to other playoff teams. It just is. They will never be able to pay the money for a team full of players and I think we are already seeing that play out. They haven’t landed those elite DEs and WRs the last two years like they had 2016-2020. Their QBs have been busts since TLaw. In general they have seen a true erosion of talent since NIL has gone full speed. It’s simply an NIL/economic issue for them.

Even their coaches had left and they haven’t been able to adequately replace them.

NIL isn't changing, so he's best to embrace it and figure out a way to get that smaller base to ante up. It appears to me that Clemson's 15 minutes of fame is fading away and they are slowly moving back to the program they have been most of their existence.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

NIL isn't changing, so he's best to embrace it and figure out a way to get that smaller base to ante up. It appears to me that Clemson's 15 minutes of fame is fading away and they are slowly moving back to the program they have been most of their existence.

That’s the general feeling I get. I work with many many engineers and architects from Clemson as well as day to day non-grad fans and this is right on point.