Notre Dame's Ultimate Recruiting Tool

[irishtrain]

See my signature at the bottom. Its why if you can you choose Notre Dame!

 

[KieltoNeal]

Notre Dame's real ultimate recruiting tool...

 

[nvirish]

Yes I agree

 

[4irishnation]

Much love Whiskey, much love

 

[IrishEyesAreSmiling]

Notre Dame's real ultimate recruiting tool...

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Notre Dame's Ultimate Recruiting Tool

New data is out for 2013 and ND is #1 overall in GSR for all sports.

A bit of a bummer though in that we dropped to 3rd in football (94%) now trailing Northwestern, Rice and Tied with BC. Stanford right behind us.

USC is one of the 10 worst.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

4th in graduation rate (94%) now trailing Northwestern, Rice and BC. Stanford right behind us.

USC is one of the 10 worst.

Link?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...er/division+i+student-athletes+make+the+grade

 

[IrishLax]

New data is out for 2013 and ND is #1 overall in GSR for all sports.

A bit of a bummer though in that we dropped to 4th in football (94%) now trailing Northwestern, Rice and BC. Stanford right behind us.

USC is one of the 10 worst.

Actually tied with BC at 94 if I read it correct. Behind NW (97) and Rice (95).

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Actually tied with BC at 94 if I read it correct. Behind NW (97) and Rice (95).

Oh you are correct, tied for 3rd.

 

[phgreek]

Academics - NCAA.org

pretty solid numbers....

I'm still really concerned that the NCAA celebrates a GSR of 71%...and even more concerned this is an improvement...I view anything less than 85% as failure...

Again the NCAA did nothing here to make me think "Student" is more than a label of convenience in "Student Athlete"...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I wonder who'd be #1 if those salary figures were adjusted for Football GSR? If only someone would produce such a thing...

 

[MNIrishman]

Honestly, Whiskey, I'd be more interested in those figures adjusted for cost of living in the nearest major city to the school. According to CNN Money (Cost of Living Calculator: Compare the Cost of Living in Two Cities - CNNMoney), 110k (Notre Dame mid-career average) in San Francisco is only worth about 79k in Chicago, so it's not surprising that Stanford beats us by a bit in RAW figures. But I would bet that the average Stanford grad could tell you that's really deceptive.

 

[irishog77]

Honestly, Whiskey, I'd be more interested in those figures adjusted for cost of living in the nearest major city to the school. According to CNN Money (Cost of Living Calculator: Compare the Cost of Living in Two Cities - CNNMoney), 110k (Notre Dame mid-career average) in San Francisco is only worth about 79k in Chicago, so it's not surprising that Stanford beats us by a bit in RAW figures. But I would bet that the average Stanford grad could tell you that's really deceptive.

Seriously, Whiskey, why haven't you calculated the COI into all this? What is an ND football player, with a degree, going to earn in Wichita, KS compared to a Stanford football player, who may or may not have graduated, that is living in Spokane, WA?

I eagerly await your response.

 

[BobD]

I wonder who'd be #1 if those salary figures were adjusted for Football GSR? If only someone would produce such a thing...

Out of date statistics. We're ranked #5

 

[irishog77]

For real though, can we get the dude sucking on the other dude's toes off here?

Keep posting until we reach page 6.

 

[ickythump1225]

Honestly, Whiskey, I'd be more interested in those figures adjusted for cost of living in the nearest major city to the school. According to CNN Money (Cost of Living Calculator: Compare the Cost of Living in Two Cities - CNNMoney), 110k (Notre Dame mid-career average) in San Francisco is only worth about 79k in Chicago, so it's not surprising that Stanford beats us by a bit in RAW figures. But I would bet that the average Stanford grad could tell you that's really deceptive.

Bingo, all of those Stanford grads are likely going to Silicon Valley and San Fran where they make a lot but the cost of living is insane. I'd be willing to bet the ND degree is worth a lot more bang for your buck.

 

[irishog77]

How would Whiskey even know where a grad may or may not live after his time at school is done??? There are plenty of Stanford grads all over the country, and there are plenty of ND grads all over the country.

An ND degree doesn't mean more (literally, in dollars) because a Stanford grad may live around San Francisco and an ND grad may live somewhere else.

 

[MNIrishman]

How would Whiskey even know where a grad may or may not live after his time at school is done??? There are plenty of Stanford grads all over the country, and there are plenty of ND grads all over the country.

An ND degree doesn't mean more (literally, in dollars) because a Stanford grad may live around San Francisco and an ND grad may live somewhere else.

That is certainly true but a significant fraction of Stanford grads live in the bay area while a significant fraction of ND grads are in the Midwest. It would be great to average it out to every living alum but that's obviously impractical. What makes more sense is looking only at where the largest single fraction of alumni call home. The largest alumni club in the country for ND is Chicago and I'd be willing to bet you could say the same of San Fran for Stanford.

 

[MNIrishman]

Comparing the nearest major city actually works anecdotally. If we start with the premise that Harvard and Princeton are comparable schools (i.e. that under equal circumstances, grads would make the same amount), we can test the hypothesis that cost of living should be adjusted for nearest major city. So Payscale says that the average Harvard grad makes 111k mid-career (same raw value as ND, incidentally). If you adjust for cost of living between that and NYC, you see that that's approx. equal to 136k. Payscale reports that the average Princeton grad earns 137k mid-career. Call the difference a bias between grads living in Manhattan vs. Brooklyn and it fits like a glove.

Not necessarily generalizable, but an interesting anecdote that happens to agree with my assertion.

I tried adding additional schools but it's difficult to say what schools "ought" to be equivalent, all things being equal. It'd be interesting to see if someone could come up with a few other good examples to agree with or counter my hypothesis.

 

[stlnd01]

If you really want to get wonky about cost of living and housing prices, you should realize that the typical Notre Dame (and Stanford) alum is probably living in a neighborhood where the housing prices are above the regional average, and within that band of the economy, there's less variation across regions.
In other words, the median home price in, say, St. Louis, is far less than in San Fran. But that's dragged down significantly by lower-cost neighborhoods in St. Louis, where households that earn ~$50,000 a year are buying houses for ~$125,000. But that's not where ND/Stanford alums tend to live. They tend to earn more and live in more expensive neighborhoods, where the variation is somewhat less (not nonexistant, but less). Meanwhile the $50K household in San Fran just rents (or moves to Texas). This is especially true in a market like Chicago, where the high end is at least comparable with the middle in San Fran or LA (which is where you live unless your a .com (SF) or entertainment (LA) industry millionaire), but the average is pulled down by the lower end.
If you want to get wonky about it, that is.
Also, there are a lot of Notre Dame alums in New York, DC, Boston and other high-cost markets. And Stanford turns out a lot of engineering and computer science grads, who make a lot of money. While we send a lot of alums to ACE and other service programs, who eventually move on to grad school and aren't in position to earn much until their mid-30s.
But maybe we should just let Stanford have this one. It's OK to be second.

 

[stlnd01]

Comparing the nearest major city actually works anecdotally. If we start with the premise that Harvard and Princeton are comparable schools (i.e. that under equal circumstances, grads would make the same amount), we can test the hypothesis that cost of living should be adjusted for nearest major city. So Payscale says that the average Harvard grad makes 111k mid-career (same raw value as ND, incidentally). If you adjust for cost of living between that and NYC, you see that that's approx. equal to 136k. Payscale reports that the average Princeton grad earns 137k mid-career. Call the difference a bias between grads living in Manhattan vs. Brooklyn and it fits like a glove.

Not necessarily generalizable, but an interesting anecdote that happens to agree with my assertion.

I tried adding additional schools but it's difficult to say what schools "ought" to be equivalent, all things being equal. It'd be interesting to see if someone could come up with a few other good examples to agree with or counter my hypothesis.

Huh?
FWIW, I would suspect that more graduates of both Harvard and Princeton wind up working in New York City than in either Boston or Philadelphia, which are closer to Harvard and Princeton, respectively. Probably more go to DC, too. Besides, when you're talking about elite private universities, it's kind of a national labor market.

 

[MNIrishman]

Huh?
FWIW, I would suspect that more graduates of both Harvard and Princeton wind up working in New York City than in either Boston or Philadelphia, which are closer to Harvard and Princeton, respectively. Probably more go to DC, too. Besides, when you're talking about elite private universities, it's kind of a national labor market.

My bad, getting tired. I should have said that I was comparing Boston to NYC using Harvard and Princeton as a basis.

 

[MNIrishman]

If you really want to get wonky about cost of living and housing prices, you should realize that the typical Notre Dame (and Stanford) alum is probably living in a neighborhood where the housing prices are above the regional average, and within that band of the economy, there's less variation across regions.
In other words, the median home price in, say, St. Louis, is far less than in San Fran. But that's dragged down significantly by lower-cost neighborhoods in St. Louis, where households that earn ~$50,000 a year are buying houses for ~$125,000. But that's not where ND/Stanford alums tend to live. They tend to earn more and live in more expensive neighborhoods, where the variation is somewhat less (not nonexistant, but less). Meanwhile the $50K household in San Fran just rents (or moves to Texas). This is especially true in a market like Chicago, where the high end is at least comparable with the middle in San Fran or LA (which is where you live unless your a .com (SF) or entertainment (LA) industry millionaire), but the average is pulled down by the lower end.
If you want to get wonky about it, that is.
Also, there are a lot of Notre Dame alums in New York, DC, Boston and other high-cost markets. And Stanford turns out a lot of engineering and computer science grads, who make a lot of money. While we send a lot of alums to ACE and other service programs, who eventually move on to grad school and aren't in position to earn much until their mid-30s.
But maybe we should just let Stanford have this one. It's OK to be second.

The engineering thing actually is a really good point. About 25% of Stanford's students and 15% of our students are engineers. This makes a huge difference. Michigan Tech grads have a substantially higher average salary than UM grads, despite the difference in national reputation and rankings, while Harvey Mudd grads (who?) make a whopping 137k on average mid-career.

If you don't want to use the municipality, you can just look at the local region.

http://admission.stanford.edu/pdf/counselor_newsletter/cn_fall09.pdf

That includes a map showing where Stanford students in a particular class came from. If we assume that even half the Californian students stayed there (a VERY conservative estimate, given that Californians often freeze to death if they leave the state, and in many cases would prefer death over leaving the state if given the choice) and that absolutely NO OTHER students stayed in California after graduation, that STILL leaves almost 20% of graduates in California. In reality, this is almost certainly much higher. Statistically, almost all these grads will live in San Fran, LA, or San Diego. It is reported that those that leave the state after graduation overwhelmingly go to NYC, which doesn't help matters. Additionally, if we look at the number of alumni clubs as a proxy for where alumni live in the US, one can see that the most expensive areas in the country are where Stanford alumni usually choose to live.

 

[IRISH in MT]

LISA ANN?!?!?!


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[ulukinatme]

My cousin didn't get accepted into ND for this year. She was at the top of her class in a nice private school in Florida. Her parents are alumni, and she's had two sisters before her get through admissions. She's probably more active than the first two were as well. It baffles the mind...the only thing I can think of is her eldest sister never graduated....senior year she left school to take her growing startup to New York. Eldest sister was listed under the Forbes' 30 under 30 for 2014, as well as a number of other recognitions and awards over the last few years. So...no ND degree, but she's got that going for her....which is nice.

 

[NDdomer2]

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[Whiskeyjack]

The ND Football account just tweeted out this infographic:

WTF are they doing? ND's degree value is a helluva lot better than "top 10".

 

[IrishLax]

The ND Football account just tweeted out this infographic:

WTF are they doing? ND's degree value is a helluva lot better than "top 10".

They honestly need to do way better with these... they're making us look hella ordinary with the 20 year ROI and that starting salary and saying "top 10" and such...

Go with the 40 year number, please.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

They honestly need to do way better with these... they're making us look hella ordinary with the 20 year ROI and that starting salary and saying "top 10" and such...

Go with the 40 year number, please.

Especially when it's the 4 for 40 campaign. Amateurs.