Notre Dame to the B1G Conference?

[IHateMarkMay]

This may have already been said, but I think UNC/Duke are goign to be highly sought after here. Their basketball programs are huge markets and would get eyeballs on screens during the CFB off season.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Also, this is how Thamel ends the ND section of the article:

The day may come when Notre Dame joins a league, but that day doesn't appear imminent.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Also, this is how Thamel ends the ND section of the article:

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This may have already been said, but I think UNC/Duke are goign to be highly sought after here. Their basketball programs are huge markets and would get eyeballs on screens during the CFB off season.

I said it like 20 times already but im wrong apparently... lol

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Im not sure why this isnt clear... maybe Im doing a poor job explaining my self. All of those markets are already spoken for pretty much by at least the BIG or the SEC. Im looking at it like if I was an exec in the BIG or the SEC. What markets are available to me to pickup that I dont already have a foot in or i am able to get into during realignment?

If Im the BIG, Im not going to be able to take UGA out of the SEC and GT just doesnt generate the same eyballs as UGA does. If Im the SEC, I already got the Atalnta market. GT isnt adding anything.

IF im the BIG exec looking at Florida, sure maybe bring in FSU or Miami is a good move but still not a huge movement in eyeballs to my product. If Im SEC I already got Florida and Im not gaining much by adding either or both those teams.

If Ima BIG exec and I want a presence in the southeast that I dont already have interest in and I want new eyeballs... North Carolina is the target. Clemson plus the two largest markets in CLT-RD is a no brainer. Im also chasing ND for its national brand and national eyeball generation.

If Im the SEC exec... this scenario is the exact same thing. I'd be dumb not to grab Clemson, UNC/DUKE as these are growing markets Im not already in at all. Same for ND as well. If the goal is to grab new eyeballs and a large tv market, ND is the top dawg of available CFB teams. Hence why the SEC exec said a few months ago, they weren't looking to expand anymore but if they did they said ND would be the team because of these very reasons.

I'd follow that up with either VT or UVA as the next desirable markets. Miami isnt a CFB city. Tallahassee isnt big enough.

My big board is:
ND
Clemson
UNC and DUKE
VT or UVA
UCF (Orlando/Tampa markets)
FSU or Miami

Just my 10 cents. We will see how it shakes out lol

You don’t just concede “markets” because a competitor “has” it. That is absolutely not how an executive thinks. Ever.

 

[tussin]

Also, this is how Thamel ends the ND section of the article

Do we think Thamel has legit sources or is he just speculating like everyone else?

I really do not want to deal with bullshit Peacock games for the next 5 years. I also do not understand this loyalty to the Stanford game... why do we care about them? An annual game since '97 is a footnote in the history of CFB.

 

[phillyirish]

One thing is for sure, come 2025 Notre Dame needs to test the market with its TV contract. 15 million is a joke. They basically let NBC negotiate the contract as a means of keeping the NBC national game tradition going. With streaming services now getting into the market, in addition to CBS, Fox and ESPN. There is no reason ND's payout should be closer to the MWC than the Big 10's.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You don’t just concede “markets” because a competitor “has” it. That is absolutely not how an executive thinks. Ever.

You do if you arent going to succeed. Id love to see how you convince UGA to leave the SEC. right now Or the SEC convinces OSU to leave BIG. I'll wait. Busting up of the other lower tier power 5 conferences is what's happening right now. Hence UCLA/USC to BIG and Texas/OU to SEC. ND is the next prime candidate for both, then IMO Clemson, UNC/Duke, VT/UVa.

 

[Dale]

Since Thamel works for ESPN I wasn’t giving too much credence to some of the other stuff because certainly could have another motive with that. The Stanford thing idk why ESPN would care

 

[stlnd01]

Since Thamel works for ESPN I wasn’t giving too much credence to some of the other stuff because certainly could have another motive with that. The Stanford thing idk why ESPN would care

Thamel is a very good reporter though. Has been around a long time and breaks news on the regular. I’d guess he has sources. How close they are to Notre Dame’s thinking, I don’t know.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I prefer the Big Ten if we have to go to a conference...... And an 8 team playoff

 

[Dale]

Thamel is a very good reporter though. Has been around a long time and breaks news on the regular. I’d guess he has sources. How close they are to Notre Dame’s thinking, I don’t know.

No doubt he’s a good reporter. But this is essentially Fox negotiations. How close would a ESPN reporter be? What are his motives in that case? That’d be what it’d question in part.

 

[OSU_Buckeyes]

Assuming the B1G, ND, FOX and NBC are negotiating for ND to join the B1G, what do you see as a fair final agreement for ND to join?

 

[Dale]

Assuming the B1G, ND, FOX and NBC are negotiating for ND to join the B1G, what do you see as a fair final agreement for ND to join?

Every ND home game is nationally televised it’d assume is the main thing to secure.

ND retaining a deal with NBC somehow could be a way to indirectly have ND have a slightly bigger slice revenue sharing wise.

 

[calvegas04]

Every ND home game is nationally televised it’d assume is the main thing to secure.

ND retaining a deal with NBC somehow could be a way to indirectly have ND have a slightly bigger slice revenue sharing wise.

I don't think ND should needs any more revenue than others and I could care less about NBC. I would want them to make sure every game is on national TV tho. No peacock, apple tv, espn +, B1G network

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

So I just spent the last two hours falling down a media valuation rabbit hole and about the only conclusion I can come up with is that ND is going to have to give up one of three important things.

1) Independence

2) A guaranteed national broadcast TV deal

3) Being in the same ballpark for revenue as Big Ten and SEC teams

And, honestly, I can see arguments for each.

Giving up the third would basically be the status quo option, but might relegate us to an also ran in terms of competing for championships just because we couldn't keep up financially.

Giving up the second could mean a streaming option behind a paywall, which could hurt our traditional method of new fan growth by being available to everyone, but could also result in a better viewing experience if the price is high enough to not necessitate as many advertisements.

Giving up the first would be joining the Big Ten, and I think we have had enough discussions about that.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Do we think Thamel has legit sources or is he just speculating like everyone else?

I really do not want to deal with bullshit Peacock games for the next 5 years. I also do not understand this loyalty to the Stanford game... why do we care about them? An annual game since '97 is a footnote in the history of CFB.

Easy fix, do what I did: Prioritize in person attendance for the Peacock games, if attending is an option for you.

I had ZERO interest in going to the Toledo game until they announced it was airing on Peacock lol

 

[WilliamWallace]

So no surprise, reports coming out that Swarbrick says ND is in no hurry and will let the landscape settle.

I think it’s obvious with the amount of money to be made that ND will lose its independence, coupled with the fact that automatic playoff bids are trending towards being a thing of the past.

 

[WaveDomer]

How much stock is put into the little mentioned option that Notre Dame values the student athlete enough to wait a bit, see how this shakes out. Then: if these super conferences turn into just pure minor league NFL they don't join. OR. These super conferences maintain some form of academic standard and they join.

Understood that the money is insane but is it all about money for ND? Teams like Navy will not be in a super conference. Does ND give up that game? "Adapt or die" is a fine slogan, but I'm not sure ND is all in on that sort of thing. And is this a potential reason BK jumped ship? Was the writing on the wall?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[INLaw]

Do we think Thamel has legit sources or is he just speculating like everyone else?

I really do not want to deal with bullshit Peacock games for the next 5 years. I also do not understand this loyalty to the Stanford game... why do we care about them? An annual game since '97 is a footnote in the history of CFB.

Dont help save the tree. Piss on it when its down. A lot of our recent success correlates directly with them being down. They offer a similar uniqueness to us academically. We need them to only get our sloppy seconds not help them along to compete. How soon we forget the many head to head recruitments we had with them. AND a handful of those having gone our way and maybe we have a playoff win, natty, or at least a damn meaningful bowl win.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

As for bringing Stanford with us, I think there are a few reasons for it:

• Keeping both USC and Stanford as protected rivalry games ensures that we play in California every year, which has been a priority for alumni and recruiting for a while now.
• ND wants to make this the student-athlete superconference (B1G) versus the semi-pro superconference (SEC), so they're trying to steer the B1G in that direction. Even if their football program regresses to its historic mean, adding Stanford would be a coup for academics and all non-football sports.

 

[Irish#1]

I said it like 20 times already but im wrong apparently... lol

The BB is a good point as I was thinking strictly about FB, but just because UGA is already in ATL doesn't mean getting GT would be a bad idea. ATL is a transplant town with a large part of their population coming from other areas, particularly the north, so there should be some interest to watch someone besides UGA. Whether it's sustainable I don't know, but I have to believe that B1G games airing in the ATL area would draw some interest.

 

[Irish#1]

So no surprise, reports coming out that Swarbrick says ND is in no hurry and will let the landscape settle.

I think it’s obvious with the amount of money to be made that ND will lose its independence, coupled with the fact that automatic playoff bids are trending towards being a thing of the past.

Not surprised.

 

[RDU Irish]

Is this a joke or are you actually serious?

Call all the lib-nut admins and profs to the floor - put your money where your mouth is or STFU forever. If it could be used to save college sports I am all for it.

 

[RDU Irish]

The BB is a good point as I was thinking strictly about FB, but just because UGA is already in ATL doesn't mean getting GT would be a bad idea. ATL is a transplant town with a large part of their population coming from other areas, particularly the north, so there should be some interest to watch someone besides UGA. Whether it's sustainable I don't know, but I have to believe that B1G games airing in the ATL area would draw some interest.

The entire south is increasingly from the north but the B1G definitely needs inroads somewhere south - UNC/Duke are cleanest fits. Getting much further south than that is a struggle though.

I love in this whole debate how those SEC and B1G doormats just get a free pass. Ridiculous for Rutgers and Vanderbilt to have no pressure for replacement.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[ACamp1900]

Also all conferences should be regional for ESG purposes. To fight global warming we should minimize travel.

Truth is I prefer regional rivalries and less travel demands on student/athletes with particular benefit for the non-revenue sports many of whom are on partial scholarship.

This is the beacon on light we’ve all been waiting for!!!

 

[GATTACA!]

This is the beacon on light we’ve all been waiting for!!!

Be the change you want to see in NCAA D1 football.

 

[Blazers46]

I prefer the Big Ten if we have to go to a conference...... And an 8 team playoff

8team playoff in the Big10?