Notre Dame Coaching Changes

[stlnd01]

I agree, but I can also relate as I have kind of always worn my emotions on my sleeve also, but these are kids caught up in an adult's game. Lots of relationships with promises thrown around by people that these kids are supposed to be able to trust.

They are. And it's not really fair to the players. But QB1 at Notre Dame is essentially a public office. And if he's our starting quarterback next season he'll either get some serious media training or be ordered to lay off the social media. I'd bet you anything.

 

[yankeeND]

They are. And it's not really fair to the players. But QB1 at Notre Dame is essentially a public office. And if he's our starting quarterback next season he'll either get some serious media training or be ordered to lay off the social media. I'd bet you anything.

No doubt, it's all a learning process and as he gets further into it be will get better at everything. I just understand his side and can see where he is coming from. I mean at the end of the bowl game the kid was so overcome with emotion that he had tears rolling down his face. It's kind of refreshing really.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Does this indicate another defection????

If so, my wild guess would be Denbrock.

Loy reported that Denbrock is on board w/ the Sanford hire & everything that has occurred thus far. BK knows he's an integral part of the staff.

 

[PANDFAN]

He has been warned before by BK and then somethin like this just isn't going to help your cause

 

[GoldenDomer]

I don't see a single thing wrong with his tweet, and neither do I read any anger or strong emotion in it. In fact, I think the idea is worth some consideration. What about making a coach sit(without pay) for a year, if he breaks a current contract? Perhaps there could be waivers for guys who have already fulfilled their original contract with their current school and are leaving to take a step up? I don't think it is all that outrageous a thought.

What if someone doesn't want to work somewhere any more? If your boss screws you over, and you quit, should you not able to get another job?

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bobby D told me this before he left: "There is no indispensable man."</p>— Jarron Jones™ (@Who_GotJones94) <a href="https://twitter.com/Who_GotJones94/status/565913332730064896">February 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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so it appears someone is

 

[Cali_domer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bobby D told me this before he left: "There is no indispensable man."</p>— Jarron Jones™ (@Who_GotJones94) <a href="https://twitter.com/Who_GotJones94/status/565913332730064896">February 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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so it appears someone is

So I wonder who..

 

[Luckylucci]

Back on the coaching search. Per Irish247 there hasn't been any contact between Deland and ND. Also, very little contact between Denson and ND. Considering they haven't really even started the process for an RB coach, it makes me think they bring in Sanford first and let him have a say in it or at least be a part of the process.

 

[NDohio]

Back on the coaching search. Per Irish247 there hasn't been any contact between Deland and ND. Also, very little contact between Denson and ND. Considering they haven't really even started the process for an RB coach, it makes me think they bring in Sanford first and let him have a say in it or at least be a part of the process.

As it should be ...

 

[NDdomer2]

He just seems to be a very emotional person. Which if you can't control or harness that, it can become a problem.

After reading his dad (or was it uncle) on here it does not surprise me.

 

[Classic Irish]

So I wonder who..

Elston?

 

[Irish#1]

Again... what metric are people using to say he is a great recruiter? I fully understand that its harder to recruit there, but that doesn't change the fact that he didn't recruit anyone of merit in his time there. He certainly coached up some players, but that's not a metric relevant to the actual job of recruiting. One he would be dealt with at Notre Dame.

You guys are also acting like IU football is Southern New Mexico State or something. When Wilson was there, a great recruiter, he pulled in FIVE 4-star recruits in his 2013. So lets not act like getting those kids to come to IU is impossible, because its not. It just was for McCullough.

The more I thought about it, the more I want Denson over McCullough.

Wilson's still there.

IU has been losing to or struggling with D-2 schools on their schedule for years. I think it is much tougher to get a kid to commit to IU than most of the schools in the power conferences.

Who was the recruiter for those five kids? Was McCullough involved? McCullough was supposed to be instrumental in getting the RB from UAB to transfer to IU. I believe he was among the nations leaders last year.

I don't know if the guy can recruit better than Denson and I'd be happy with either.

 

[ThePiombino]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bobby D told me this before he left: "There is no indispensable man."</p>— Jarron Jones™ (@Who_GotJones94) <a href="https://twitter.com/Who_GotJones94/status/565913332730064896">February 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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so it appears someone is

So I wonder who..

Elston prayer thread?

Too soon?

 

[yankeeND]

Back on the coaching search. Per Irish247 there hasn't been any contact between Deland and ND. Also, very little contact between Denson and ND. Considering they haven't really even started the process for an RB coach, it makes me think they bring in Sanford first and let him have a say in it or at least be a part of the process.

That's actually really good news! Would definitely want my new OC to be involved with the process, and to be honest I am so enamoured with this hire that I am not even really all that worried anymore with the other available spots. There is a very sound plan in place with a rather large changing of the guard going on right now. I also think that it was a necessary one as well as 8-5 is just not gonna get it done here. We are very close. We have the right HC and a very talented roster, just need a great staff to shore everything else up, and I think that is exact what is about to happen!

 

[Crazy Balki]

Elston?

If anyone, probably would have to be him, since he was Jarron's coach.

 

[dshans]

What if someone doesn't want to work somewhere any more? If your boss screws you over, and you quit, should you not able to get another job?

That would depend on whether there was a non-compete agreement included in the contracts drawn up by the schools and the coaches.

I have no idea if it is common or even done at all.

 

[IRISHbluehen]

ISD mentioned they believe it is a support staff member, not a coach.

 

[kmoose]

What if someone doesn't want to work somewhere any more? If your boss screws you over, and you quit, should you not able to get another job?

You should work out your contract. People get screwed over by their bosses all of the time.

 

[GoldenDomer]

You should work out your contract. People get screwed over by their bosses all of the time.

For the record, so I don't sound like someone who is advocating leaving your job if you hate your boss, I meant your boss doing something unethical making you not want to be affiliated with them.

For instance, if you are the Penn State WR's coach and the Sandusky scandal unfolds, you shouldn't be penalized for jumping ship. Or if you're an SEC coach with morals (yeah, idk) and the head man starts cutting kids you recruited to be short of 85, you shouldn't be forced to stick around that line of business due to the threat of not having a salary.

 

[kmoose]

For the record, so I don't sound like someone who is advocating leaving your job if you hate your boss, I meant your boss doing something unethical making you not want to be affiliated with them.

For instance, if you are the Penn State WR's coach and the Sandusky scandal unfolds, you shouldn't be penalized for jumping ship. Or if you're an SEC coach with morals (yeah, idk) and the head man starts cutting kids you recruited to be short of 85, you shouldn't be forced to stick around that line of business due to the threat of not having a salary.

Well, like I said.......... there could always be waivers, like in the Sandusky example. In the cutting kids example, I would say that you should negotiate shorter contracts, if you are going into a situation where you know, or there are very strong rumors of, some shady ethical stuff going on. And no one is forcing anyone to stay where they are; they could always sit out a year to move on to somewhere else.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Well, like I said.......... there could always be waivers, like in the Sandusky example. In the cutting kids example, I would say that you should negotiate shorter contracts, if you are going into a situation where you know, or there are very strong rumors of, some shady ethical stuff going on. And no one is forcing anyone to stay where they are; they could always sit out a year to move on to somewhere else.

Their families that want to pay the mortgage and eat are.

The idea of coaches having to sit out is totally impractical and won't happen.

 

[kmoose]

Their families that want to pay the mortgage and eat are.

The idea of coaches having to sit out is totally impractical and won't happen.

It's not totally impractical. There are myriad industries that require employees to sign non-compete agreements, placing severe stipulations on employees who leave; including barring them from working in the same (or very similar) position at any competitor for a specific period of time. I used to work for one.

 

[GoldenDomer]

It's not totally impractical. There are myriad industries that require employees to sign non-compete agreements, placing severe stipulations on employees who leave; including barring them from working in the same (or very similar) position at any competitor for a specific period of time. I used to work for one.

It aint gonna happen

 

[kmoose]

I am talking about a mandate stating that if a coach leaves, then he has to sit out for a year without pay.

I never said it would happen. I said I thought it was worth having a discussion about.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Impossibly large buyouts are unenforceable. Parties can agree to "liquidated damages" but if it ventures into the territory of a "penalty" it can't be enforced (even if it's a negotiated number).

As to non-competes, jurisdictions vary but they generally must be reasonably limited in time and geographic scope and serve some permissible aim of the party seeking to enforce it. Even a negotiated non-compete that has the practical effect of prohibiting a party from breaking a contract would likewise be unenforceable.

U.S. law has always fostered the idea of efficient breaches of contract. Compensate the party for how they are actually injured; not draconian measures to further the inviolability of agreements.

 

[IrishLax]

I deleted all my posts because this got wildly off topic. The only thing I was trying to add was to when kmoose said:

There are myriad industries that require employees to sign non-compete agreements, placing severe stipulations on employees who leave; including barring them from working in the same (or very similar) position at any competitor for a specific period of time.

That this is correct, and it already happens in football but not written as "banning" ... just a severe financial penalty. They're skipping the middle man that is settling the non-compete after it goes to litigation.

Buyouts ARE non-compete clauses. They trigger when a competitor tries to hire the employee. They (generally) do not trigger if someone just "quits" or "retires"... I have never seen one written where that happens, although it's hypothetically possible especially if there was a signing bonus for the coach. And schools will regularly set specific buyout clauses to prohibit employment moves to specific competitors.

 

[IrishLax]

Impossibly large buyouts are unenforceable. Parties can agree to "liquidated damages" but if it ventures into the territory of a "penalty" it can't be enforced (even if it's a negotiated number).

As to non-competes, jurisdictions vary but they generally must be reasonably limited in time and geographic scope and serve some permissible aim of the party seeking to enforce it. Even a negotiated non-compete that has the practical effect of prohibiting a party from breaking a contract would likewise be unenforceable.

U.S. law has always fostered the idea of efficient breaches of contract. Compensate the party for how they are actually injured; not draconian measures to further the inviolability of agreements.

Exactly. Which is why college football skips the middle-man of "5 year non-compete" with "buyout clause of X for leaving for team Y".

It's only very, very rare and in extreme cases that someone can be truly prohibited by court order from "competing" with an organization... it's almost impossible in the realm of college football where there are no trade secrets, etc. in play.

 

[arrowryan]

Per TJ,

Lyght is already in South Bend and has started working

Sanford should be back in SB next week to start working

Two coaching additions should be made official next week (Lyght and Sanford?)

Denson is meeting with Kelly next week

 

[irishtrain]

Quick story no names so it may not be believed but it is true. I have a friend who was a d coordinator at an sec school and once when discussing Notre Dame I ask the question what about so and so ( coach at ND ) his response was--- 'professional coach who would go anywhere he was paid'. Needless to say the guy didn't work out. I understand these guys are in it for the $$$$$$ but I do like this trend of getting ND people in there to coach if they are qualified. Even Weis gave it all he had and was liked by many he just couldn't handle the job or get a defense together to help him. Many people will disagree but to my point this school is different and the people selling and coaching it need to have a heart for it or it just doesn't work. Its not semi pro football.

 

[ThePiombino]

Per TJ,

Lyght is already in South Bend and has started working

Sanford should be back in SB next week to start working

Two coaching additions should be made official next week (Lyght and Sanford?)

Denson is meeting with Kelly next week

Excellent! Very glad to hear Denson is getting an interview and this isn't all just conjecture. Interesting that there's no mention of Quinn.