NEVER PLAY AT STANFORD AGAIN!

[irishandy]

Is it, though? It’s a frequent opponent, I suppose, since the 80s. But I’m not sure it’s really a rivalry. I’ve never once gotten jacked up about a Stanford game.

Is it a ND-Michigan rivalry? No. Is it a ND-USC rivalry? No.

I do feel it's a rivalry since they are a frequent opponent; i.e. Navy.

I guess I would've been more jacked up if Stanford was a better team this year, but I have respect for them since they are another academic school and I don't mind David Shaw as a coach.

 

[Irish2155]

Is it, though? It’s a frequent opponent, I suppose, since the 80s. But I’m not sure it’s really a rivalry. I’ve never once gotten jacked up about a Stanford game.

I was jacked AF before last year’s Stanford game. If I recall correctly they came in ranked #8 and a lot of talking heads were picking against us.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Is it a ND-Michigan rivalry? No. Is it a ND-USC rivalry? No.

I do feel it's a rivalry since they are a frequent opponent; i.e. Navy.

I guess I would've been more jacked up if Stanford was a better team this year, but I have respect for them since they are another academic school and I don't mind David Shaw as a coach.

I guess we have different definitions of what a rivalry is, then. I don’t think Ohio State considers IU a rival even though they play frequently.

 

[Blazers46]

Or we can buy them a new turf field and still enjoy the "home" game...damn near 75-25 inside the stadium...

Watching the game that looked like the actual attendence... 75 ND fans and 25 Stanford fans.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Watching the game that looked like the actual attendence... 75 ND fans and 25 Stanford fans.

Had a 'end-of-season' cook-out at the house. Many Vol / Vandy fans at the house. EVERYONE mentioned the attendance to see a ND game when the Irish are 'America's Team'.... didn't bother me but, what a $hitty showing for a game.

 

[BeatSC]

Stanford fans should be ashamed of themselves. Fan base is a joke even when they are good.

 

[ARALOU]

Had a 'end-of-season' cook-out at the house. Many Vol / Vandy fans at the house. EVERYONE mentioned the attendance to see a ND game when the Irish are 'America's Team'.... didn't bother me but, what a $hitty showing for a game.

Vandy and Vol fan ragging on someone's attendance is pretty rich, but I know how they are. I live a few miles from MTSU and attend a couple games and their crowds are pretty sad also.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Vandy and Vol fan ragging on someone's attendance is pretty rich, but I know how they are. I live a few miles from MTSU and attend a couple games and their crowds are pretty sad also.

Especially the local Vandy fans - can barely fill a HS stadium when having a winning record.

 

[ARALOU]

Yeah, they stagger in halfway through the first quarter and leave at halftime, the few that are there.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I do wonder why ND plays them every year. I guess for the CA exposure but I dont think you could schedule a more disrespectful team. Except maybe UCLA?

 

[stpeteirish]

Now you got me thinking of vastly better ways to end the season than f’ing Stanford;

How about in Miami? We used to do that all the time. Do you think they want to protect that all important Duke season ender? Lol

At Texas? After A&M left, they haven’t had a season ending rival. You don’t think they’d jump all over ND at home to close out every other year? Hell even A&M would go for it if we wanted to alternate. Or geez, TCU, Baylor, any of those Texas teams, none of them has a big season ending rivalry.

Maybe the Arizona teams would do the same, too? Its not like the Arizona State/Arizona game is some kind of ratings juggernaut that must be protected.

Hawaii? That would be cool to end your season in Hawaii consistently.

Or maybe at Tennessee? I don’t think anyone would shed a tear over losing the big Vandy season ender every other year.

There’s Plenty of much better possibilities than Stanford.

I give you credit for at least trying to justify your knee jerk reaction to Stanford's field being a piece of crap. There are some good ideas here.

Miami is out, our deal with the ACC doesn't allow one team to play us every year while the other ACC teams don't.

Playing Hawaii every year? That'll wear off pretty quick. And you have to play them at home if your going to schedule a road game every other year. A one off might work but then you have to find a new one every other year.

The PAC12 has shown a willingness to work with teams who want to play ND in the last week of the season so the Arizona idea might work. ASU instead of Stanford I like. AU not so much. How about UCLA? Love to play in the Rose Bowl every other year and they've already moved the USC-UCLA game up in odd numbered years.

I doubt if the Big 12 would mess with their end of season match ups. If they would Texas is the only one that is a clear upgrade over Stanford or the other Pac 12 teams.

The SEC would probably tell Tenn to piss up a rope. All 14 of their teams are better than ND. LOL

 

[BobbyMac]

I give you credit for at least trying to justify your knee jerk reaction to Stanford's field being a piece of crap. There are some good ideas here.

Miami is out, our deal with the ACC doesn't allow one team to play us every year while the other ACC teams don't.

Playing Hawaii every year? That'll wear off pretty quick. And you have to play them at home if your going to schedule a road game every other year. A one off might work but then you have to find a new one every other year.

The PAC12 has shown a willingness to work with teams who want to play ND in the last week of the season so the Arizona idea might work. ASU instead of Stanford I like. AU not so much. How about UCLA? Love to play in the Rose Bowl every other year and they've already moved the USC-UCLA game up in odd numbered years.

I doubt if the Big 12 would mess with their end of season match ups. If they would Texas is the only one that is a clear upgrade over Stanford or the other Pac 12 teams.

The SEC would probably tell Tenn to piss up a rope. All 14 of their teams are better than ND. LOL

The Territorial Cup is the same week as ND-Stanford. Most folks not in AZ wouldn't realize it but ASU & UofA have a very heated rivalry and sellout most of the time. While I'd love ND to add ASU to the schedule for obvious reasons, the Stanford slot isn't gonna happen.

 

[IrishLax]

The Stanford solution is incredibly simple IMO. It's about "on years and "off years."

In "on years" you end the season with the game @USC. No change there.

In "off years" you play Navy for their "home game" in San Diego. If you want to rotate that to not always play Navy in San Diego, then you simply need to add one of the following teams:
-BYU
-Hawaii

1. BYU does not play a 'rivalry week' game on the last week of the season. You could (rather easily) schedule either a home-and-home or neutral site game with them to close out the year.
2. Playing at Hawaii would quite obviously be better for recruiting than playing in Palo Alto in a game no one attends or watches. At least being in Hawaii can get you in front of local recruits and you can stay on the island to recruit afterwards for efficiency.

It's time to drop Stanford's JV-esque team, and there is no excuse not to except laziness.

 

[BobbyMac]

The Stanford solution is incredibly simple IMO. It's about "on years and "off years."

In "on years" you end the season with the game @USC. No change there.

In "off years" you play Navy for their "home game" in San Diego. If you want to rotate that to not always play Navy in San Diego, then you simply need to add one of the following teams:
-BYU
-Hawaii

1. BYU does not play a 'rivalry week' game on the last week of the season. You could (rather easily) schedule either a home-and-home or neutral site game with them to close out the year.
2. Playing at Hawaii would quite obviously be better for recruiting than playing in Palo Alto in a game no one attends or watches. At least being in Hawaii can get you in front of local recruits and you can stay on the island to recruit afterwards for efficiency.

It's time to drop Stanford's JV-esque team, and there is no excuse not to except laziness.

What would it cost ND to get out of the contract that runs through 2024. Does anyone that matters at ND want to do it?

Navy in San Diego has been my answer too. The game there last year was great, even if the Stadium is like walking into 1979.

As far as BYU goes, would be interesting to see how they could draw in Phoenix. Trust me, there ain't nothing but Catholics and Mormons here. Mesa has more Mormons than any city in Utah not named SLC.

 

[arrowryan]

If we took Stanford off the schedule, we would still need to get out to California every season.I wouldn't mind scheduling home and homes with Cal and SDSU.

Don't schedule Fresno though, recruiting Fresno is a waste. Something is in the water in that city.

 

[Irish#1]

The PAC12 has shown a willingness to work with teams who want to play ND in the last week of the season so the Arizona idea might work. ASU instead of Stanford I like. AU not so much. How about UCLA? Love to play in the Rose Bowl every other year and they've already moved the USC-UCLA game up in odd numbered years.

Curious as to why you would be willing to play ASU and not AZ?

 

[dublinirish]

ND should rotate between playing Stanford and UCLA as their last game of the year in California

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Now you got me thinking of vastly better ways to end the season than f’ing Stanford;

How about in Miami? We used to do that all the time. Do you think they want to protect that all important Duke season ender? Lol

At Texas? After A&M left, they haven’t had a season ending rival. You don’t think they’d jump all over ND at home to close out every other year? Hell even A&M would go for it if we wanted to alternate. Or geez, TCU, Baylor, any of those Texas teams, none of them has a big season ending rivalry.

Maybe the Arizona teams would do the same, too? Its not like the Arizona State/Arizona game is some kind of ratings juggernaut that must be protected.

Hawaii? That would be cool to end your season in Hawaii consistently.

Or maybe at Tennessee? I don’t think anyone would shed a tear over losing the big Vandy season ender every other year.

There’s Plenty of much better possibilities than Stanford.

They play for the oldest trophy in all of college football. Fact. So that's one reason why they may not want to break off that rivalry, however local or regional it may seem.

Plus I'm scratching my head at the notion that you think either AZ or ASU would be a better quality opponent than Stanford. They have the most wins in the past decade of any Pac 12 team outside of Oregon, I believe. And that might be a tie.

 

[stpeteirish]

Curious as to why you would be willing to play ASU and not AZ?

Better program, bigger stadium, Phoenix vs Tucson (more potential fans.)

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Better program, bigger stadium, Phoenix vs Tucson (more potential fans.)

Playing ASU at Jiffy Pop instead of SunDevil Stadium would be awesome.


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[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Miami is out, our deal with the ACC doesn't allow one team to play us every year while the other ACC teams don't.

I’m positive the ACC would bend to our will if we wanted to do this. It’s certainly an option.

Playing Hawaii every year? That'll wear off pretty quick. And you have to play them at home if your going to schedule a road game every other year. A one off might work but then you have to find a new one every other year.

Not every year, every other year. We throw in a token game at ND maybe every third year or something.

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[ShamrockOnHelmet]

If we took Stanford off the schedule, we would still need to get out to California every season.

This is what I don’t get. Why?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

They play for the oldest trophy in all of college football. Fact. So that's one reason why they may not want to break off that rivalry, however local or regional it may seem.

Plus I'm scratching my head at the notion that you think either AZ or ASU would be a better quality opponent than Stanford. They have the most wins in the past decade of any Pac 12 team outside of Oregon, I believe. And that might be a tie.

Just spitballing here. I’m not suggesting the rivalry get broken off, just scooted back a week when we play that last week game (like Cal/Stanford and USC/UCLA do)

Also, I’m not suggesting it’s an UPGRADE in quality of opponent at all. It’s just NOT Stanford - which is the point.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is what I don’t get. Why?

Recruiting, and because our kids like to see the sun at least once in November.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Recruiting, and because our kids like to see the sun at least once in November.

Plenty of sun in Florida or Texas.

Can you not recruit a state without playing a game there now? Funny rule I guess...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Plenty of sun in Florida or Texas.

Can you not recruit a state without playing a game there now? Funny rule I guess...

I didn't institute the policy, just answering your questions of why it exists. Keeping both USC and Stanford on the schedule ensures we play at least one game in California every year. And I would assume there's a certain % of local recruits there each year who will drive to see us play in state but won't necessarily book a flight to South Bend. For a long time there was a huge disparity between the amount of effort we were dedicating to CA and the # and quality of recruits we were getting out of it, but that seems to be behind us now. Who am I to tell Kelly and Swarbrick the annual game in Cali isn't worth it?

The admin also considers Stanford our closest peer in the FBS, and thus presumably sees value in playing them every year. We ought to do whatever we can to keep our foot on their throat while they're down, because few programs can threaten our long-term stability than a resurgent Stanford regularly stealing 4 scholar-athletes from us.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I didn't institute the policy, just answering your questions of why it exists. Keeping both USC and Stanford on the schedule ensures we play at least one game in California every year. And I would assume there's a certain % of local recruits there each year who will drive to see us play in state but won't necessarily book a flight to South Bend. For a long time there was a huge disparity between the amount of effort we were dedicating to CA and the # and quality of recruits we were getting out of it, but that seems to be behind us now. Who am I to tell Kelly and Swarbrick the annual game in Cali isn't worth it?

The admin also considers Stanford our closest peer in the FBS, and thus presumably sees value in playing them every year. We ought to do whatever we can to keep our foot on their throat while they're down, because few programs can threaten our long-term stability than a resurgent Stanford regularly stealing 4 scholar-athletes from us.

Sorry, I must have come off the wrong way, didn’t mean to.

Your latter argument makes more sense than anything else. Still not sure that it justifies playing them anymore.

Real question because I don’t know and am too lazy to look - are CA players really even making a difference nationally? Do Bama, Clemson, LSU win with CA kids?

 

[ACamp1900]

I didn't institute the policy, just answering your questions of why it exists. Keeping both USC and Stanford on the schedule ensures we play at least one game in California every year. And I would assume there's a certain % of local recruits there each year who will drive to see us play in state but won't necessarily book a flight to South Bend. For a long time there was a huge disparity between the amount of effort we were dedicating to CA and the # and quality of recruits we were getting out of it, but that seems to be behind us now. Who am I to tell Kelly and Swarbrick the annual game in Cali isn't worth it?

The admin also considers Stanford our closest peer in the FBS, and thus presumably sees value in playing them every year. We ought to do whatever we can to keep our foot on their throat while they're down, because few programs can threaten our long-term stability than a resurgent Stanford regularly stealing 4 scholar-athletes from us.

Exactly why we should start a yearly rivalry with: San Jose State, Sacramento State, Long Beach State (Them not having a team doesn't matter), and Cal Poly San Luis Obispo... all the wins, sun and recruiting trips.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Real question because I don’t know and am too lazy to look - are CA players really even making a difference nationally? Do Bama, Clemson, LSU win with CA kids?

Yes. For 2019, California and Texas are tied (48/per) for having the most 4 and 5 star recruits of any state in the union. Looking back over the last 6 years, Florida is first and California is 3rd, but it's usually pretty close, and there's huge separation between the top four (FL, TX, CA, GA) and everyone else.

Due to proximity, 'Bama, Clemson and LSU tend to recruit FL and GA first, TX second, and then CA last. But there's so much talent there that it's hard to build an elite team without any presence in the state at all.